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[CloneHat]

Here's a compromise. Just hook up some wires to your head and you'll have the perfect controller.

END OF DISCUSSION

 

[SymphonicSage12]

I vote shanus to test out your theory, clonehat.

 

[Shadic]

Here's a compromise. Just hook up some wires to your head and you'll have the perfect controller.

No way dude. My brain has mad lag.

How am I supposed to tell whether he's serious or not? >.>

Your brain. That thinky organ.

 

[Alphatron]

I won't stop with my imaginary bias because Zelda>Peach and you refuse to accept it. Wiimote Nunchuck>>your soul.


And open the tga with photoshop. Don't attempt to open the tga file with smashbox. It supports the exporting and replacing of tgas easily. You're supposed to use Gimp/CS#(real men use paint) to edit the texture yourself.

I've made three strap loaders and a toon link texture. What specifically are you doing?

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Wait. I thought you could EDIT it with smashbox. ?


Fine I'll just use lame old gimp then...

 

[CloneHat]

Alphatron, Peach is definitely hotter.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Alphatron, Peach is definitely hotter.

I vote peach as well because she has sexier panties (Have you SEEN The broadway Peach texture's underwear?)

 

[Alphatron]

Double post, but appearantly a controller that you use with your mind is already in the works. >_> It appearantly reads brainwaves...if I were on a pc, I'd post links.

Also, gamespot is nub country. One in NY had a CoD4 tourney and they all were pretty bad. Gamespot logic is uber and is banned from this srs discussion.

 

[Shadic]

Alphatron, Peach is definitely hotter.

Psh. You need some brains, though. Remember that SSE scene with her on the Halberd, and Fox is friggin' shooting right past her?

Her head is EMPTY, man.

 

[cAm8ooo]

that sounds dumb does kirby need buffs? lmao

i love when a kirby tries to swallow my laser and I ROB dair them...it's not like it does much, it's just oh so satisfying.

Yes. Because you should be punished for successfully using a move. It makes perfect sense.

 

[stingers]

it happens to tons of characters, consider it a tradeoff for such a powerful move @.@

not like every character can punish it anyway

 

[Alphatron]

Alphatron, Peach is definitely hotter.

You lack visual evidence to support your claim. And yes, her panties may be sexier, but that's only due to Zelda not being as slutty as Peach and supplying fanservice every other game.

 

[CloneHat]

Psh. You need some brains, though. Remember that SSE scene with her on the Halberd, and Fox is friggin' shooting right past her?

Her head is EMPTY, man.

I played the SSE once and then just forgot about it.

EDIT: Zelda=

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Peach has mental issues.


She's still hot tho


She's like a sexy chick on drugs and has down syndrome at the same time. :D

 

[CloneHat]

Peach has mental issues.


She's still hot tho


She's like a sexy chick on drugs and has down syndrome at the same time. :D

What's with you and down syndrome? It's not like it's hilarious or something.

I'll leave my last post for you Zelda lovers. I'm going to bed, I continue this srs discussion in the morning.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Fine. I shall stop connecting peach with mental issues if it annoys you so much, 5ive. I'm only 13. I don't know how to post any better. If you could be my mentor, that would be great.

 

[zxeon]

Don't ever take Zxeon seriously because he is and always is a jerk and a troll. I'm 21 thank you very much.

Hey what did I ever do to you? Oh yeah, I remember now. I'm sorry about that.

In related news I'm 21 too.

 

[5ive]

I know has been said 5000 times, but man

SymphonicSage12 is really annoying. >_< You need to relearn how to post man.

 

[cAm8ooo]

it happens to tons of characters, consider it a tradeoff for such a powerful move @.@

not like every character can punish it anyway

Give me a list of moves that you are punished for when done correctly. Because i can't really think of any other.

Also, i doubt you know much about kirby if you think copy is powerful or your mistaken what fix we are wanting. When you copy a character, your opponent is popped out the top of your head. They then have a very good frame advantage considering that the move puts off basically no hitstun. Your opponent can then punish you while your still in the moves endlag. So yes, most every character can punish him as long as they dont have a super, super long start up on their d-air.

For combo characters who have combo starting d-air's such as fox, one d-air can be detrimental to you and be a 30-40% combo for your opponent for SUCCESSFULLY doing your move. Quite frankly, outside of a few characters copy is not even worth it. For such a sub-par move that rarely is worth doing and is instant punish i find it very ironic that you would consider it powerful.

It's not a matter of "buffing" kirby. It's a matter of fixing a broken move, and if you didn't know, he is getting a bair range nerf in the upcoming set so having a broken move fixed really isnt out of the question.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

So? Kirby is insanely good already, one glaring weakness won't hurt too much, right? /sarcasm(?)


and stop using broken as in bad. Broken means good in smash games. Use the word "sucktastic" or "lameful". Or whatever the hell you want, really.

 

[colored blind]

If I post spam, do I fit in?

For real, the last two pages have been Wiimote vs. Nunchuck and Peach vs. Zelda.

Btw, Jiggs >>>>>>> Peach + Zelda

and stop using broken as in bad. Broken means good in smash games. Use the word "sucktastic" or "lameful". Or whatever the hell you want, really.

He's right, you know. Broken as in, 'breaks the game' because it's OP. And it's not just Smash. ANY kind of competitive gaming uses the word broken to mean overpowered.

 

[stingers]

lawl glaring weakness

falcon kick, jiggs sing, toon link fsmash, wario dsmash, ics blizzard, sonic usmash, MK nado, zelda fsmash, bowser/charizard flame breath, and thats off the top of my head...

 

[Mattnumbers]

The reason there is so much spam is that people are basically just waiting for the build to come out and they have nothing to talk about, so we get sidetracked to random topics.

 

[GHNeko]

I'm going to ask Almas to lock this thread so you guys can go to social instead. <_>

 

[Mattnumbers]

lawl glaring weakness

falcon kick, jiggs sing, toon link fsmash, wario dsmash, ics blizzard, sonic usmash, MK nado, zelda fsmash, bowser/charizard flame breath, and thats off the top of my head...

Geez you of all people should have remembered PK Freeze.

Also a lot of those moves are good moves and I'm not sure why you are saying they suck, especially flame breath.

 

[stingers]

You can't be punished for landing PK Freeze...

 

[Dark Sonic]

lawl glaring weakness

falcon kick, jiggs sing, toon link fsmash, wario dsmash, ics blizzard, sonic usmash, MK nado, zelda fsmash, bowser/charizard flame breath, and thats off the top of my head...

lol can I have some crack too?

MK nado still doesn't get you punished for landing it either <_<

 

[Mattnumbers]

If this thread gets locked it needs to be stickied so we don't lose it

OH, ok stingers I thought you just meant bad moves in general, not moves you can be punished for using. Now it makes sense, although you are still wrong on a couple of them. Although some of those you listed have been fixed I think (Tink Fsmash at least)

 

[stingers]

did you guys fix tl fsmash? i havent played + in awhile and kinda forgot whether you did or not lawl
ics blizzard? LOL just DI through it, it's way easier in this then it is in vBrawl too
sonic usmash is terrible...
zelda fsmash is terrible...
charizard flame breath is the same as bowsers fundamentally...

 

[GHNeko]

We did fix Tlink fsmash. Sonic Usmash is harder to SDI (IIRC)

Zelda usmash has be uber-fixed.

Zard probably has different frame lengths for the starting/stopping animations and maybe different stats. I'd have to look it up.

 

[Mattnumbers]

When was the last time you fought a Zelda stingers, her Fsmash was fixed a couple MONTHS ago.

I'll let D_S tell you about sonic Usmash.

 

[MK26]

lawl glaring weakness

falcon kick, jiggs sing, toon link fsmash, wario dsmash, ics blizzard, sonic usmash, MK nado, zelda fsmash, bowser/charizard flame breath, and thats off the top of my head...

wait...what is this a list of?

 

[cAm8ooo]

lawl glaring weakness

falcon kick- You can use this move so that you are not punished afterwards, therefor you can use it "correctly"
jiggs sing- You can also use this move so that you cant be punished.
toon link fsmash-Funny thing, wasnt this move actually fixed so that you couldnt hit toon link before the second hit?
wario dsmash- can also use this move and not be punished
ics blizzard-same with this one
sonic usmash- Dont know anything about sonic but im sure you can use this move and not be punished for it.
MK nado- Can use this move correctly.
zelda fsmash- This move got a fix and to punish it actually takes some skill
bowser/charizard flame breath- can be used correctly (aka stop using it at a certain point)
and thats off the top of my head...

So? Kirby is insanely good already, one glaring weakness won't hurt too much, right? /sarcasm(?)


and stop using broken as in bad. Broken means good in smash games. Use the word "sucktastic" or "lameful". Or whatever the hell you want, really.

I love when arguments begin as "So?" I laugh at you saying ONE glaring weakness as if kirby doesnt have others.

I'm using the term "broken" in it's real world sense. As in, the move does not work properly. There is no other move in the game that you can do properly and still get punished for it.

 

[stingers]

cross out the tl fsmash and those are moves that can be punished upon you landing them...

edit: wait, are you saying it's impossible for you to not get punished after you use kirbys swallow? that's what i'm assuming because you're saying its "possible to use them correctly". well uh, with kirby, just shoot them out after you swallow, boom, now you won't get daired. not to mention that not every character can dair kirby after getting their power absorbed.

 

[MK26]

...

Does not compute

...

......

At ANY percent? When you're competent at the game?

 

[Mattnumbers]

Rest is often punishable on hit.

And you can still use Kirby's Neutral B you just have to spit them out. EDIT: Ninja'd by stingers kinda on this point.

Also the enemy wakes up BEFORE you if you hit them with the beginning of sing.

 

[Revven]

lawl glaring weakness

falcon kick, jiggs sing, toon link fsmash, wario dsmash, ics blizzard, sonic usmash, MK nado, zelda fsmash, bowser/charizard flame breath, and thats off the top of my head...

Falcon Kick: It has its uses, it isn't a bad move, it's alright but, it's not something to use as his other moves overshadow it. In other words, it's a move that CAN be used in situations when called for but, it isn't the best option in those situations.

Jiggs Sing: Are you seriously asking for this to be fixed? I laff.

Toon Link Fsmash: Already fixed.

Wario Dsmash: Not ever going to get fixed. Wario doesn't need a third useful smash attack, he already has Fsmash as a GTFO move, coupled with Ftilt and Bite. That would inherently buff Wario which is unneeded.

ICs Blizzard: It pulls in, you have to SDI it to get out. Someone certainly hasn't had any ICs experience.

Sonic Usmash: Yeah, the move is legitimately bad. Got me there.

MK nado: What about it? It's horrible now. That's good.

Zelda Fsmash: I laff, this move is used VERY often by Zeldas. It has transcendent priority ON TOP of its un-SDIability. How is this a bad move? How does it need fixing? It doesn't as it's already fixed as far as keeping people in go. Zelda doesn't have very many options so nerfing this attack is stupid as it is one of her central parts of her metagame. Nerf this move and you may as well kiss goodbye to a GTFO move (well, her jab aside). It would be like nerfing DK's Ftilt because of its range, it's a good GTFO move and part of his metagame.

Bowser/Charizard flame breath: Fixed in the next set, at least Bowser's.

Yeah, get at me.

 

[stingers]

for any%, just take out Falcon Kick and Wario dsmash...the rest can be punished at any %

falco, when did I ask for any of them to be fixed? lmaoooooooo

 

[cAm8ooo]

cross out the tl fsmash and those are moves that can be punished upon you landing them...

edit: wait, are you saying it's impossible for you to not get punished after you use kirbys swallow? that's what i'm assuming because you're saying its "possible to use them correctly". well uh, just shoot them out, boom, now you won't get daired. not to mention that not every character can dair kirby after getting their power absorbed.

Everyone of the characters you named can use their attack in a way that doesn't punish them for using it. Kirby's "copy" can not. No matter what time, percentage, or way that you use it will make it so that you dont get punished afterwards.

So yes. I'm saying it's impossible to use this move and not get punished if your opponent knows about it. Which he should. Just "spitting them out" is not a valid solution to the problem. You cant copy someone if you spit them out.

 

[Dark Sonic]

edit: wait, are you saying it's impossible for you to not get punished after you use kirbys swallow? that's what i'm assuming because you're saying its "possible to use them correctly".

basically yeah. If kirby absorbes your power, you can hit him back immediately. Peach can even float and hit him with whatever she wants

Oh, and TL's f-smash and Zelda's f-smash were fixed, Sonic's upsmash speedup (from A LONG TIME AGO) allows him to not be punished even if they SDI out (his upsmash finishes long before their tech), and blizzard is supposed to be desynched so that Popo can still retaliate.

That leaves Falcon kick (which is only punishable on hit if you hit them with the end of it a low-mid percents), MK tornado (they have to sdi out, though that's doable), and sing (at low percents).

Kirby's copy is punishable at every percent, so there's no "right" way to use it <_<

@SMK, dude I just made a monstrous post a few pages ago about how Sonic's upsmash is one of the highest priority attacks in the game! (that and Blank is making SDI on it less potent next set )