Brawl Information Compendium & Social

[Pikabunz]

It doesn't take any frames, so a buffered turnaround dtilt would still take 5 frames. It's the same for every character.

 

[infiniteV115]

So I'm assuming that means turnaround frames are all IASA frames?

 

[Tesh]

Yea, it only takes up time if you don't buffer it.

 

[Alexrocks0221]

Ok thanks by the way have you met nick riddle or ryo before?

 

[infiniteV115]

o.o
Who are you asking?

If you're asking me, I haven't.

 

[Alexrocks0221]

da K.I.D. or anyone else

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

I've met nick riddle

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Ok thanks by the way have you met nick riddle or ryo before?

You're the one from Florida. Go to their tournaments and meet them

 

[da K.I.D.]

yea, i met NR like 2 years ago and i met ryo at apex. why?

and yea, ^^^^what that guy said.

 

[fox67890]

If you buffer a turn around and an action, it comes out the same time as if you only performed the action.

For instance, if Fox dairs you and are in front of him and he upsmashes you, it would come out in the same time as if he daired you and you are behind him (assuming the turn around upsmash was buffered).
Sorry if this was kinda answered :x

 

[Alexrocks0221]

i've seen them already at a tournament pretty recent actually, but i'm just asking

 

[C.J.]

Interesting @ the buffered turn around stuff. Glad I got to learn something new; it does make sense.

 

[Death Arcana]

I know I asked something like before just need a little more clarification

What landing would u classify zair landings?
Like toon links, links, Lucas,etc

 

[lordhelmet]

Which characters suffer from RCO lag?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=252451

 

[lordhelmet]

Thank you, I was looking for that thread

 

[teluoborg]

I know I asked something like before just need a little more clarification

What landing would u classify zair landings?
Like toon links, links, Lucas,etc

All Zairs autocancel, so it's neutral landing.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Which is to say two frames of landing lag on a soft landing and four frames on a hard landing.

 

[infiniteV115]

What are soft/hard landings?

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

Isn't that like landing from a short hop opposed to landing from a full hop

 

[TheReflexWonder]

A soft landing is when you land on the ground before you reach the maximum normal fall speed (done by shorthopping without fastfalling, landing on a platform before you fall downward "too much," etc.).

A hard landing is when you land on the ground when you're at or exceeding the maximum normal fall speed (done by fullhopping or fastfalling at any point).

 

[infiniteV115]

Oh okay cool.

Wait...what if you're playing like Lucario and you've reached your max normal fall speed, but then you dair right before you hit the ground so when you actually hit the ground you're below that speed?

In another words, is it a matter of whether or not you landed before/after hitting that speed, or the speed with which you hit the ground?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I think it's the speed with which you hit the ground, but I'm not exactly sure.

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

Answer that question with another question: Can you fast fall again after you dair with Lucario?

 

[infiniteV115]

Yes you can. You just have to press down again.

Dair cancels fastfalls. Like dancing blade, bucket, Fox's shine, etc.

 

[BlueXenon]

How can I improve my offstage game? When I play high level players sometimes I can do ok or even go even with themon the stage, but when they get me offstage they always hit me so many times and easily kill me there. I use mk, falco, and lucario. Maybe it would help If i saved a replay of this happening. Thankyou to anyone that answers.

 

[SSS]

So I'm not entirely sure what the difference is between Hyphen Smashes, Boost Smashes, and DACUS? Any help?

Also Boost Grabs, what is that?

I also am not sure what buffering is. How does one buffer a grab during a Falco (etc.) chaingrab?

Finally, what is wavebouncing, and can I do it without B-sticking?

Please and thank you.

 

[Tesh]

Hyphen smashing is just dashing and upsmashing with the sliding momentum from your dash.

I....don't know what a boost smash is.

DACUS = dash attack cancelled up smash. Its when you interupt a dash attack with an upsmash, usually to increase the distance you slide when upsmashing, but some characters can also hit with both the dash attack and upsmash.

Boost grabs IIRC are dash attack cancelled grabs.

Buffering is just.... actually just read this thread.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=302576

 

[C.J.]

Boost smash is the "technical" term for dacus so it is consistent with boost grabs

 

[SSS]

So buffering is like when you input a command while aerial dodging into the ground, and it does it right when you hit with pretty much zero lag?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Buffering doesn't cancel lag. When you land on the ground, you have a few frames of lag no matter what. Buffering a move just makes it so that if you press the input for a second command during a first command (in your case, we'll say airdodge -> grab), you can press the grab command earlier than the character can actually do it, and he'll do it as soon as he would normally be able to. That works because when you're in one animation, you can't cancel it with another, so pressing other inputs won't do anything until the first animation is over.

tl;dr--If you press an input during the animation of another move (that is to say, a little earlier than you'd want it to come out), it will come out as soon as possible, so you don't have to time it perfectly to get it out as soon as possible.

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

How does in shield sdi work? Is there some special property to shield that makes it possible? And is it that important to learn/practice?

 

[C.J.]

SDI is when you make a DI input during hitlag to move your character.

Shield SDI is the exact same thing during shield hitlag.

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

So could Pit shield sdi in his mirror shield? There is some hitlag to that.

 

[teluoborg]

Mirror shield isn't a shield, it's more relatable to a counter, a reflector or things like that (Mario's cape).

 

[da K.I.D.]

after the shine period that reflects things, when you hold it out it acts EXACTLY like a shield though.

and since were talking about shield. link standing still. how does that factor into this convo.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Link's "shield" isn't an actual shield. It just clanks out projectiles.

 

[da K.I.D.]

how is that possible with lasers though?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

For lack of a better description, it just...is. It counts as a surface for lasers to stop on, as if they hit a shield, character, or another hittable hurtbox.

 

[BSP]

Does anyone know all of the situations in which you can't buffer?