Boondock Saints Mafia(Day 5 begins)

[Moronik]

Ryker, MM, where have you played? SWF mafia is considerably different than other places. Now look: KevinM is right, you guys are acting really weird, what with the building off each other, the pseudo circle jerking, the over defensiveness, all of it. Plus, MM you won't take any suggestions at all. Yes, telling who you are suspicious of is fine, making lists as to where everyone sits is not. It just tells scum (and please call them that instead of saints as that is a specific role and has been throwing me off) who you think is clear and trust, which just gives them targets.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I am not caught up, but I'm addressing this.

MM arbitrarily cleared you by your own metagame (one that we have absolutely no knowledge of outside of the two of you, as neither of you has produced a link or anything verifiable), accused "one of if not both of [Cacti] and [KevinM]" of being a wolf for getting on a wagon, said that all you had to do was say you were baiting a reaction for him to think you are town, and made an appeal to mathematics to state that you were most likely town basing his percentages on absolutely nothing.

After this happened, it attracted attention and votes. After discussion, you said it was TvTvTvT and the wolves weren't involved - that is an easy and incredibly vague way to take attention off of the person who has already established a connection between the two of you.

You cannot say you didn't say other people are lurking when you state that "the wolves are twiddling their thumbs" at your discussion when you clear four active voters involved in your discussion without clearing the other four. That is ridiculous. By eliminating one half, you are putting focus on the other half.

You cannot say that they are two separate statements when one immediately follows the other linked by one simple question by me. They are absolutely related.

Nice OMGUS though.

- Hando

I was pointing out that I don't think the four of us were scum and that we should look elsewhere. I wanted that to be known before going back to arguing. I did not expect to leave this topic so quickly, but I wanted my thoughts known on the matter. I would love to shift the focus to the other half. Hence the vote for you. I think that's the best chance for finding the scum. I was not trying to imply that all of you were lurking though. Possibly scum, yes. Lurking no. With that I was trying to point out that one could post without contributing.

Nice acronym, wanna give me a definition?

 

[CT Chia]

But why exactly do you think the 4 of us are town? You never really said why yet afaik

Also, you can referrence all acronyms and such on the mafiascum.net wiki

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Thanks for the reference.

Reason being that you two are actually trying to make progress. I've seen waaaaaaay too many wolves sit on the sidelines and comment on another player's ideas instead of trying to make things happen.

No, it's not very strong, but it's day one and better than nothing.

About the townie list, I disagree with those saying it's a bad idea. IMO, scum profit much more by killing off players known to be good at finding scum. Killing off the "most townie" on one person's list doesn't really help them that much unless it is one of the better players. It's Day 1, so everything is subject to change.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Whoever was asking, I've been playing primarily on AllisBrawl (check the subforum on the general silliness board). I also have an account on BoardGameGeek and I play on a board I created where I play with other students at the college I'm going to.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@Kevin

Your methodology is something I can understand even if I don't agree. I am perfectly willing to lynch someone for bad townie play, but you operate under the assumption that MM and I will side together through the rest of the game. I'm not as sold on his innocence as much as he appears to be on mine. I'd put him under Chibo and Scumfever. I'm not going to chase a lynch for your opinion, but give it a day or two before you decide how it's going to be.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

***

An OMGUS vote it was not. I posted the reason clearly. You simply downplay it by calling it an OMGUS vote.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Wow. I said "At (the symbol) SS (SquirtleSquad)" and I got censored.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Saying that our little spat was TvTvTvT is really baseless. Just because people try to make progress doesn't make them town, and just because people sit on the sidelines or dont say as much as others doesnt mean they are scum.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm not saying that you're GD certifiable 100% Grade A Town, but I think you're less likely to be scum than the people who weren't posting. That will probably change before this very phase is over, but at the moment, I think we should look elsewhere. Apparently you and MM like Blueyoshi as a target. I prefer to look at SS.

@BlueYoshi - When are you getting back? Monday? If he's gone already I'd really like an answer from someone

 

[DtJ Jungle]

..Maybe i can't read or something, but why SS as opposed to like, people who haven't posted in teh game yet

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Melancholy is the only one who hasn't posted yet. Prod plz?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I don't like how he used my opinion on who is town to incriminate me. The stuff about lurking I can understand as a misunderstanding and can be worked through. He claimed I was trying to put those people I hadn't mentioned into the spotlight. Which I was and which I consider to be the most protown move atm.

IMO, it looks like he's trying to get enough support for a quick-lynch.

 

[CT Chia]

It's too early for activity to really be scumtell or a townconfirm

 

[#HBC | marshy]

trusting someone you know from a previous game simply because you played with them before just seems to be taking it a little TOO safe. It just seems a little fishyyy...............

original version of raine's 63

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Computer is dying. Be back later.

 

[KevinM]

Right I'd rather lynch MM or Ryker at this point.

Afking for the rest of today.

 

[Melancholy]

Melancholy is the only one who hasn't posted yet. Prod plz?

I haven't posted because I have nothing to say.
It's frankly quite painful to watch you guys back and forth for 10 pages over someone joke voting the mod.

Ryker and MM are our best leads at the moment, so I'm leaning towards a lynch on one of them, but I'd like to see this go on a little longer to see if we can get some more info.

I don't like that Kevin is pushing for a lynch just because "they will be a hindrance". I'd rather we were lynching scum (or wolves, if you prefer), than annoying townies.

 

[mentosman8]

3rd votecount

Melancholy, even if you don't have much new to say, at least try to post once every 48 hours as is required. You were just over the time when you made that post(which avoided the prod), but try to keep up posting somewhat consistently.

To answer who asked, Blue Yoshi is set to be back Tuesday.

Vote Count!

Magnificent Marth(3): Rainemuzi, Blue Yoshi, Cacti
Ryker(4): ChiboSempai, SquirtleSquad, Gheb, KevinM
SquirtleSquad(1): Ryker
Blue Yoshi(2): magnificentmarth, Scumfever
Not Voting(2): moronik, Melancholy

deadline is Saturday January 23rd at 11:59 PM CST.

 

[KevinM]

The fact that there is just as much possibility that they are scum on D1 whilst even if they are town we lost one of the two guys whom will most likely try and explain each others actions all the time and metagame the **** out of each other and all around be unhelpful is reason enough to vote for them.

You obviously haven't been reading.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Yeah,... someone you don't think is necessarily scum, but should be lynched?

 

[KevinM]

Except I think betwenst you is not a TvT.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

TvT?

Screw the ten character limit.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

town vs town.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ok Kevin, why?

 

[KevinM]

Just don't.

 

[Trillion]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Kevin has called you scum once. He's voting you because you are being detrimental to the town.

His job is to lynch scum, not townies who he incorrectly perceives as detrimental.

MM, so your saying your list was justified because it got the reaction from Blue Yoshi. Ok fine, good stuff. However, you had to rank everyone in terms of being a scum or a townie. Kevin is right, it's too early to be pointing out the towniest of players. We're scumhunting here, say who you think is scum. As a townie (if you are) and trying to find out who else is the most town (by having a good vibe, or them helping out a lot, etc), as Kevin said you're painting a big red target on them.

Scum can read this list and say ok, lets kill the most town person on this list (if the list was true to everyones gameplay and not bias being made by just MM himself). By eliminating the most town person, it's like the overall scumminess of the game is higher if you know what I mean, which is only going to make it easier to accidentally mislynch someone in the day. Later on people start naturally talking about town reads because that information is needed to make crucial lynch decisions, which really isn't as important on Day 1.

I'm also painting a big red target for the doctor. While the mafia will know who it is that appears most town, so will the doctor. The mafia will be forced to have to play a guessing game to get around our doctor just as they would have to play a guessing game every single night. My list just adds another level to the metagame and does not favor either side. I've seen the theory you are giving tossed around many times. I've never seen the wolves actually succeed at doing that and I'm not worried about it.

 

[Trillion]

Ryker, MM, where have you played? SWF mafia is considerably different than other places. Now look: KevinM is right, you guys are acting really weird, what with the building off each other, the pseudo circle jerking, the over defensiveness, all of it. Plus, MM you won't take any suggestions at all. Yes, telling who you are suspicious of is fine, making lists as to where everyone sits is not. It just tells scum (and please call them that instead of saints as that is a specific role and has been throwing me off) who you think is clear and trust, which just gives them targets.

I have played at AllisBrawl and at BoardGameGeek. See above reasoning about the doctor.

 

[Trillion]

The fact that there is just as much possibility that they are scum on D1 whilst even if they are town we lost one of the two guys whom will most likely try and explain each others actions all the time and metagame the **** out of each other and all around be unhelpful is reason enough to vote for them.

You obviously haven't been reading.

Most likely? You have determined "most likely" based on a single instance? And here my system of %s is being criticized.

 

[Trillion]

Just don't.

lol good reasoning skills there. You have no reason to think that we aren't both townies other than a hunch. You could be right, Ryker might very well be a mafia. I personally don't think he is, but he hasn't made a single move that would make him look scum yet and yet you want to just lynch someone for the hell of lynching them.

Earlier you said, you wanted me lynched because you thought I was detrimental to the town. Then you said that you would be up for lynching either Ryker or I. Now you are saying that you think at least one of us must be a mafia. So, you keep pushing for a quick lynch of one of us, but to do so you have to keep changing your explanation of why. So, which is it? Are we detrimental townies or is one of us mafia? I think the correct answer is that you are the mafia and you don't care which of us gets lynched as long as it is a mislynch which is why you are pushing for this quick-lynch.

Vote: KevinM

 

[Cacti]

MM and Ryker, I don't think that everyone is voting you two because you're scummy, but because of your terrible play. All of your reads so far have been by metagaming, which isn't that bad to get a read with, but it's bad when you blatantly say that it is metagaming, because people can always just change up their meta and the metagaming scumtells become WIFOM. I also sense a tad bit of OMGUS reasoning in your posts against people. If you continue to play like this, then you will probably be lynched by town as it will be good for them no matter who you flip - as town, you are a detriment to the rest of town's efforts to scumhunt, and as mafia, well, it nets us a mafia.

For now though, you two are in the gray. However, your way of scumhunting makes me want you dead right now. No one else is really sticking out to me at the moment.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Lynching players because of terrible play is very scummy. It's a very non-commitial stance to take and easy for scum to play.

 

[KevinM]

I think they're scummy and playing a terrible town game.

Win win that way.

 

[KevinM]

lol good reasoning skills there. You have no reason to think that we aren't both townies other than a hunch. You could be right, Ryker might very well be a mafia. I personally don't think he is, but he hasn't made a single move that would make him look scum yet and yet you want to just lynch someone for the hell of lynching them.

Earlier you said, you wanted me lynched because you thought I was detrimental to the town. Then you said that you would be up for lynching either Ryker or I. Now you are saying that you think at least one of us must be a mafia. So, you keep pushing for a quick lynch of one of us, but to do so you have to keep changing your explanation of why. So, which is it? Are we detrimental townies or is one of us mafia? I think the correct answer is that you are the mafia and you don't care which of us gets lynched as long as it is a mislynch which is why you are pushing for this quick-lynch.

Vote: KevinM

Also not a quick lynch when we've discussed it to death.

Also wrong that i'm mafia.

Is this your first OMGUS, must feel nice huh?

Lol @ your town list reasoning, cause a doc can do it to.

What if you put doc as towniest of town and he can't self-protect.

etc.

**** outta here there are no reasons for that.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

And the scum know he's the doctor and can't get protection how? That's not an uncommon set-up, but the odds are against it happening. I disagree, but I don't think I can get through to you no matter what I do. Are you always this pissy about new players?

MM and Ryker, I don't think that everyone is voting you two because you're scummy, but because of your terrible play. All of your reads so far have been by metagaming, which isn't that bad to get a read with, but it's bad when you blatantly say that it is metagaming, because people can always just change up their meta and the metagaming scumtells become WIFOM. I also sense a tad bit of OMGUS reasoning in your posts against people. If you continue to play like this, then you will probably be lynched by town as it will be good for them no matter who you flip - as town, you are a detriment to the rest of town's efforts to scumhunt, and as mafia, well, it nets us a mafia.

For now though, you two are in the gray. However, your way of scumhunting makes me want you dead right now. No one else is really sticking out to me at the moment.

1.) That's terrible play in and of its self.
2.) At this point it's explaining actions. It started out with metagaming and then MM thought he was wrong. He quickly accumulated about 6 or 7 votes and then when he explained his actions this came up.
3.) I call BS on that. True, we both voted for someone who had voted for us (MM voted for someone who had changed his vote to me), but the reason why was stated clearly. I think what you're sensing is a little bias.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I think they're scummy and playing a terrible town game.

Win win that way.

You've explained think the latter. Explain the former or you're not doing anything but being annoying.

 

[Trillion]

MM and Ryker, I don't think that everyone is voting you two because you're scummy, but because of your terrible play. All of your reads so far have been by metagaming, which isn't that bad to get a read with, but it's bad when you blatantly say that it is metagaming, because people can always just change up their meta and the metagaming scumtells become WIFOM. I also sense a tad bit of OMGUS reasoning in your posts against people. If you continue to play like this, then you will probably be lynched by town as it will be good for them no matter who you flip - as town, you are a detriment to the rest of town's efforts to scumhunt, and as mafia, well, it nets us a mafia.

For now though, you two are in the gray. However, your way of scumhunting makes me want you dead right now. No one else is really sticking out to me at the moment.

The wolves win when they reach parody with the town. If you lynch people simply for disagreeing with how they play, then you are not keeping the town's numbers high and you are wasting lynches and giving the wolves free night kills. You are simply proving that your place on my suspicion list is well earned.

 

[Trillion]

Also not a quick lynch when we've discussed it to death.

Also wrong that i'm mafia.

Is this your first OMGUS, must feel nice huh?

Lol @ your town list reasoning, cause a doc can do it to.

What if you put doc as towniest of town and he can't self-protect.

etc.

**** outta here there are no reasons for that.

It IS a quick lynch because you've been pushing it since page 3. Luckily, there are a few people who are rational who aren't bandwagoning are a ridiculous reason.

I don't OMGUS vote. Since I have 5 votes or whatever against me, it's pretty hard to not be voting for someone who currently has a vote on me. To call my perfectly good reasoning on you as an OMGUS vote is simply an attempt to down play the reasoning.

What is the likelihood that the doc is lowest on my scum list and that I am 100% correct and that the wolves would agree that following MY suspicion list is the best way to play? You can keep trying to paint me anti-town all you like, but as long as I am making positive progress, you will repeatedly fail just as you are now.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Even if theyd on't kill teh doc, and they kill someone on your suspicious list, woulnd't you say that paints you in a bad light?

It's bad because it gives information to the mafia and how they can draw false connections a townie to make another townie seem scummy. The more information like that you give htem to work with the more they can pin their night kills on you. because, honestly, what can you do? 'omg i got framed' k.

 

[Trillion]

Even if theyd on't kill teh doc, and they kill someone on your suspicious list, woulnd't you say that paints you in a bad light?

It's bad because it gives information to the mafia and how they can draw false connections a townie to make another townie seem scummy. The more information like that you give htem to work with the more they can pin their night kills on you. because, honestly, what can you do? 'omg i got framed' k.

No, that doesn't paint me in a bad light. It just introduces a circle of thought to determine what happened. Am I the type of wolf that would kill someone on my own suspicion list or am I the type of wolf who would not do that? I could tell you I was framed just as you have said. Then you have to decide if I was framed or not. It presents you with the Wine in Front of Me Case. (If you have ever seen the princess bride. Basically, it doesn't point toward any direction at all.