Boondock Saints Mafia(Day 5 begins)

[Trillion]

I didn't say I pegged his role. All I said is that I think he is town aligned.

As far as wolves and such. I typically just call the bad team wolves and the good team townies. I don't worry about making sure that I am calling them by the exact proper name for each game. Would you rather that I call them Saints instead of wolves? I can try to keep that in mind.

 

[Trillion]

Rofl please can we lynch this guy.

You haven't even given a reason for why you are voting me. You just said you were happy to lynch me and then voted. Here you are again pressuring for my lynch without saying why, just bandwagon voting.

 

[SquirtleSquad]

@MM: You didn't respond to the questions we asked (this would be what Tom posted, because he is one of the two people in this hydra, he was just logged into the wrong account). Our revised opinions to come when you do.

- Hando

 

[Trillion]

Lol at arbitrary percentages. Can you explain in detail your mathematics? I would appreciate it.

Do you know what meta-gaming is?

/SquirtleSquad

Yes, the mathematics are partially arbitrary. Basically, I start off assuming that everyone is at 50/50 for being a wolf. I know that half the players in the game aren't wolves and that 50/50 isn't necessarily correct, but I prefer just to start everyone at 50/50 for convenience purposes because if I always based someone's likeliness of being a wolf on the number of wolves likely to be in the game, then I would never get anywhere. The farther up you wish to move on my radar the harder it gets. It's rare that anyone hits above 85% for example and nobody ever reaches 100% even if I am a seer.

Kevin is at 55% likely to be a Saint.

Yes, I know what metagaming is. My judgment of Ryker was based on his metagame. His attempt at discussion sparking put him at about 60%. That I could tell he picked up on my hint put him at 70%.

sorry, edited for grammer.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

It has nothing to do with trusting him just from playing with him before. I have played like 7 games with him. I feel like I can recognize when he is a wolf and when he is not based on whether or not he is trying to start discussion. Here, he was trying to, so he is probably town.

ive played about 10 games with kevin, about 6 with gheb, prolly 7 or 8 with each member of the squirtle squad...you get what im saying? people learn from their past mistakes, especially when you point them out. Saying 'well he does this so in my book hes (insert arbitrary number here) percent likely to be town" is stupid and pointless. YOu are making really stupid assumptions really early in the game and that's only detrimental to the town.

 

[CT Chia]

I didn't say I pegged his role. All I said is that I think he is town aligned.

As far as wolves and such. I typically just call the bad team wolves and the good team townies. I don't worry about making sure that I am calling them by the exact proper name for each game. Would you rather that I call them Saints instead of wolves? I can try to keep that in mind.

I don't mean calling them what they are by the flavor, I mean like mafia, scum, ya know. Generally wolves are used for a different type of game. it doesnt really matter though

and pegged his role, his faction. whatever man, its just that you seem certain of something without hardly any information to go off of.

 

[Trillion]

ive played about 10 games with kevin, about 6 with gheb, prolly 7 or 8 with each member of the squirtle squad...you get what im saying? people learn from their past mistakes, especially when you point them out. Saying 'well he does this so in my book hes (insert arbitrary number here) percent likely to be town" is stupid and pointless. YOu are making really stupid assumptions really early in the game and that's only detrimental to the town.

As I said in my response to Ryker, I have NEVER pointed out this particular past mistake to him in any game. This is the first time I have done so and I pointed it out AFTER he explained himself. So, the assumption is not stupid.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

still dumb to write someone off d1 just cuz they played MAYBE like they would if they were town for only two days.

 

[Trillion]

I don't mean calling them what they are by the flavor, I mean like mafia, scum, ya know. Generally wolves are used for a different type of game. it doesnt really matter though

and pegged his role, his faction. whatever man, its just that you seem certain of something without hardly any information to go off of.

I'm not by any means clearing him entirely, I'm just saying he's low on my list right now. Kevin and Cacti are at the top of my list and Ryker is at the bottom. The rest of you are all right in the middle.

My current suspicion radar is organized like this:
Kevin
Cacti
Everyone else
Ryker
Me

 

[Trillion]

still dumb to write someone off d1 just cuz they played MAYBE like they would if they were town for only two days.

Think of it like as a 70% is a C-. He's not written off until he's at the 90%s. He's just low on my radar right now.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

the fact you can even say that is strange. write now if im using your cute number system, you're all at a 50 and you're fallin pretty fast.

 

[Trillion]

the fact you can even say that is strange. write now if im using your cute number system, you're all at a 50 and you're fallin pretty fast.

Meh, it works for me. I do pretty well finding wolves using my system on other sites that I play. Not that don't make mistakes or anything, I make plenty.

 

[KevinM]

Right so why haven't we lynched this guy yet?

 

[mentosman8]

Vote count to come when I get home from work. In the meantime,

magnificent earns a refraction point: editing a post not even a page after I made the rule clear to everyone. If there are grammar mistakes, let them be.

Don't want to seem like a *******-mod, but that wasn't even 40 posts ago>.>

 

[CT Chia]

Vote: Ryker

Sup Broski, not used to seeing you joke vote very often and here I see you do it twice in a row.

You vote Ryker

Woohoo. I'm outta my depth.

I don't know enough about these guys to know which ones will react, so I joke and try and draw a response.

I see you are camping in your comfort zone with a vote for me.

Ryker says this

Well, since like you said, neither of us know anything about these guys, I figured I'd do what I could with someone who I do know. UNVOTE You're probably town. Plus, I think I'd rather work with you to eliminate the threats to the town than have to work against you.

You unvote Ryker

Ryker and I have played together a good number of times on another site. If he says he was looking to bait a reaction, then he is trying to stir discussion and hunt wolves. We have played together as wolves in a Pokemon themed game where he basically sat back and commented on other people's discussions instead of trying to spark any on his own. So, from my perspective, he's looking like a townie.

You're reasoning for thinking he's town...

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Simply put, this is awful. This is perhaps one of the worst ways I've ever seen anyone get a townie read from someone. All Ryker did was vote the mod as a joke, and said it was to bait a reaction. You didn't even know that's what he was going for at first. If you know so much about him from wherever else you played, then you should have known that him voting the game mod was purely just to bait reactions.

You didn't even find the reason to make you think he's townie, HE gave you the reason. That's like a scum player saying o hey I'm town and you just eat it up. You're not finding the town reads MM, you're taking them from the person in question. In a game like this you can't take what others say so blindly to where saying just "I was trying to bait a reaction" automatically bumps someone up to a C- in your book or some crap. If he had never said that based on what YOU had though, you would still think he's scum.

Unlike everyone else voting you though, I don't think it makes you look scummy. You're screaming noob town to me instead of scum. If anyone is looking scummy out of this it's Ryker, perhaps playing on your tendency to follow whatever he does, knowing he can practically control you. If Ryker was truly baiting reactions then he wouldn't have said so so fast for no real reason as now guess what, he's not going to get any reactions at all from it now.

Vote Ryker

 

[Trillion]

Simply put, this is awful. This is perhaps one of the worst ways I've ever seen anyone get a townie read from someone. All Ryker did was vote the mod as a joke, and said it was to bait a reaction. You didn't even know that's what he was going for at first. If you know so much about him from wherever else you played, then you should have known that him voting the game mod was purely just to bait reactions.

I have never seen Ryker joke vote the mod before and guess what? I reacted to it. So, the entire thing all payed off because my reaction started a discussion.

You didn't even find the reason to make you think he's townie, HE gave you the reason. That's like a scum player saying o hey I'm town and you just eat it up. You're not finding the town reads MM, you're taking them from the person in question. In a game like this you can't take what others say so blindly to where saying just "I was trying to bait a reaction" automatically bumps someone up to a C- in your book or some crap. If he had never said that based on what YOU had though, you would still think he's scum.

I actually didn't think he was scum. I was questing what he was doing. I cast votes on people to see how they react to the vote and to my reasoning for the vote.

Unlike everyone else voting you though, I don't think it makes you look scummy. You're screaming noob town to me instead of scum. If anyone is looking scummy out of this it's Ryker, perhaps playing on your tendency to follow whatever he does, knowing he can practically control you. If Ryker was truly baiting reactions then he wouldn't have said so so fast for no real reason as now guess what, he's not going to get any reactions at all from it now.

Vote Ryker

Being a noob on this site does not mean that I am a noob to werewolf. I also don't have a tendency to follow whatever he does and when Ryker and I are not already confirmed to be on the same team, he and I typically end up having long drawn out wall of text arguments.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Unlike everyone else voting you though, I don't think it makes you look scummy. You're screaming noob town to me instead of scum. If anyone is looking scummy out of this it's Ryker, perhaps playing on your tendency to follow whatever he does, knowing he can practically control you. If Ryker was truly baiting reactions then he wouldn't have said so so fast for no real reason as now guess what, he's not going to get any reactions at all from it now.

Vote Ryker

Oh ho! Someone is making progress instead of failing to communicate. I like this.

I also use pretty much the same percent system to categorize my thoughts. Harping on that doesn't do much.

I was truly baiting reactions, but then I saw what MM had done. I defended myself accordingly and thought discussion would fall on whether or not I was a wolf. Then I defended him because I'm fairly certain no one else would and no one seemed to understand what MM was saying.

You say that he has a tendency to follow me and you base that on what, exactly?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Also, we call it Werewolf instead of Mafia. Don't let that be something that distracts us.

 

[CT Chia]

I'm all for baiting reactions, I do it in a ton of the games I'm in. I just personally don't see how voting the mod can be an effective way of baiting reactions, I mean like... you're voting the mod. ooo.... k? obviously its a joke vote? i hope ppl didnt actually think you were actually trying to vote the mod.

and as for wondering about why you revealed your little mini plan (well idk if i would call it a plan, but the point that u were trying to bait a reaction) right after MM voted you, I would hardly say you would need to defend yourself so fast. By doing that you ruined any other chance of baiting reactions. All of this makes me question if that's what you were doing in the first place. Tbh if you had just said like lol ok joke vote, I would buy it much more than this baiting reactions stuff since thats all it rly was a joke vote (on the mod -_-, obvious enough? lol).

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm all for baiting reactions, I do it in a ton of the games I'm in. I just personally don't see how voting the mod can be an effective way of baiting reactions, I mean like... you're voting the mod. ooo.... k? obviously its a joke vote? i hope ppl didnt actually think you were actually trying to vote the mod.

and as for wondering about why you revealed your little mini plan (well idk if i would call it a plan, but the point that u were trying to bait a reaction) right after MM voted you, I would hardly say you would need to defend yourself so fast. By doing that you ruined any other chance of baiting reactions. All of this makes me question if that's what you were doing in the first place. Tbh if you had just said like lol ok joke vote, I would buy it much more than this baiting reactions stuff since thats all it rly was a joke vote (on the mod -_-, obvious enough? lol).

I've already got something. You. Not that I think you're scum at this point, but we give the town something to discuss.

When I was voting the mod, I wanted someone to say SOMETHING about it. I was then going to try voting for them and pursuing a lynch for whatever reason I could dredge up. The goal then is to turn it on those who agreed with my own faulty logic.

I did not ruin all chances of baiting further reactions, I just made it to where that joke vote was useless. I can still do other things to bait reactions, but I don't need to bait when there's something worth talking about.

 

[CT Chia]

Then why didn't you vote MM?

You're going against your own logic/plan, and inconsistency to me is a scumtell.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Just because you both came from a different site and have lots of experience playing on the same side does not mean that you two are on the same side now. Just because you may be town does not mean that your friend is also town. Just keep that in mind.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Have you even been reading

 

[Trillion]

Have you even been reading

I was just wondering the same thing.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

It. I was then going to try voting for them and pursuing a lynch for whatever reason I could dredge up.

explaint his

basically what you were going to do was

1) joke vote
2) omg he said something about me voting mod VOTE VOTE VOTE
3) ???
4) Profit

whatever reason you could dredge up? could you explain what you mean by this? what reason could you dredge up after someone reacts to a joke vote? especially Chibo (since that's who you said we could talk about). There's baiting reactions, then theres voting someone for stupid reasons and just running with it. That is how i picture what you are doing. You are not baiting a reaction then attempting to use their bad logic, you are attempting to give yourself a reason to vote someone and push their lynch on something trivial. Do first, think later mentallity

tl;dr

you aint phoenix wright

vote: Ryler

 

[mentosman8]

Second vote count!

Vote Count

ChiboSempai(1): Gheb
Magnificent Marth(5): SquirtleSquad, Rainemuzi, Blue Yoshi, KevinM, Cacti
Ryker(1): ChiboSempai, Scumfever
Not Voting(4): Ryker, magnificentmarth, moronik, Melancholy

Also, could everyone try to get in the habit of unvoting like normal? It hasn't made much of a difference yet, but when votes start changing more often it would be nice to be able to see that they had a vote beforehand

 

[Trillion]

tl;dr

GG. You messed up when you didn't read and so you missed the entire plan.

1.) Vote mod.
2.) Someone reacts.
3.) He votes the person who reacted.
4.) Someone else bandwagons his ridiculous vote to try to get a quick and early lynch.
5.) He 180's and votes the person who bandwagoned on a stupid reason.
6.) Profit.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I've already got something. You. Not that I think you're scum at this point, but we give the town something to discuss.

When I was voting the mod, I wanted someone to say SOMETHING about it. I was then going to try voting for them and pursuing a lynch for whatever reason I could dredge up. The goal then is to turn it on those who agreed with my own faulty logic.

I did not ruin all chances of baiting further reactions, I just made it to where that joke vote was useless. I can still do other things to bait reactions, but I don't need to bait when there's something worth talking about.

i see nothing about turning a 180 on someone that bandwagons here.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

explaint his

basically what you were going to do was

1) joke vote
2) omg he said something about me voting mod VOTE VOTE VOTE
3) ???
4) Profit

whatever reason you could dredge up? could you explain what you mean by this? what reason could you dredge up after someone reacts to a joke vote? especially Chibo (since that's who you said we could talk about). There's baiting reactions, then theres voting someone for stupid reasons and just running with it. That is how i picture what you are doing. You are not baiting a reaction then attempting to use their bad logic, you are attempting to give yourself a reason to vote someone and push their lynch on something trivial. Do first, think later mentallity

tl;dr

you aint phoenix wright

vote: Ryler

THAT IS EXACTLY THE PLAN. Will elaborate.

 

[Trillion]

You missed it because, like you said, you didn't read.

When I was voting the mod,

^ 1. Voted Mod

I wanted someone to say SOMETHING about it.

^2. Someone reacts

I was then going to try voting for them and pursuing a lynch for whatever reason I could dredge up.

^3. Votes the reactor for some reason that he makes up.

The goal then is to turn it on those who agreed with my own faulty logic.

^4. Another person agrees and bandwagons his bad excuse to vote someone
^5. When that other person does so, he turns it on that person

^6. Profit

 

[DtJ Jungle]

its unfortunate he just agreed with waht is aid?

now im just confused.

 

[CT Chia]

Yea ok, but if that's the big plan then why didn't Ryker vote MM?

It kind of ruins the whole theory here. To me it sounds like Ryker is trying to propose this theory to give himself an alibi in this mess except it doesn't add up in my book.

And MM, I still don't understand why you would vote him over a joke vote on the mod.

I don't know why anyone would vote Ryker from a joke vote on the mod. The whole plan is flawed to begin with. Do people find that scummy where you guys are from? If I go over there and vote the mod do I have a big symbol on my head that says hey vote me?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

My question is why does Ryker agree that what i said what basically his plan, but MM disagrees about RYKERS plan means

 

[Trillion]

Yea ok, but if that's the big plan then why didn't Ryker vote MM?

It kind of ruins the whole theory here. To me it sounds like Ryker is trying to propose this theory to give himself an alibi in this mess except it doesn't add up in my book.

And MM, I still don't understand why you would vote him over a joke vote on the mod.

I don't know why anyone would vote Ryker from a joke vote on the mod. The whole plan is flawed to begin with. Do people find that scummy where you guys are from? If I go over there and vote the mod do I have a big symbol on my head that says hey vote me?

I voted him for the joke vote because Ryker does not typically joke when he plays. It is out of character for him so I thought that it might be a wolf tell.

And actually, yeah, many of the best players on the other two sites where I play believe that joking is often a scum tell because someone makes a joke and then other people respond to the joke and it gets the town off topic which interrupts the discussion.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Scumfever, he just filled in the ??? part.

Yea ok, but if that's the big plan then why didn't Ryker vote MM?

It kind of ruins the whole theory here. To me it sounds like Ryker is trying to propose this theory to give himself an alibi in this mess except it doesn't add up in my book.

And MM, I still don't understand why you would vote him over a joke vote on the mod.

I don't know why anyone would vote Ryker from a joke vote on the mod. The whole plan is flawed to begin with. Do people find that scummy where you guys are from? If I go over there and vote the mod do I have a big symbol on my head that says hey vote me?

Because he knows my 180 set-up. He's seen me use it in the last three games I've played. It wouldn't really work if I attacked him with it. I generally attack the weakest player or the loudest. He is neither. It would not help.

No, you don't have that metaphorical sign. I didn't really expect to get a response, but I was prepared if it did. The reason I'm unable to implement my usual plan is because I don't know which of you I should target.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

welcome to SWF mafia. our first 24 hours of play is usually full of joke votes and joking around with the people. By everyone.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

i see, i thought 'agreed with my faulty logic' meant the joke vote.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Also, let the record show that I think that we have 4 innocents arguing while the wolves sit back and twiddle their thumbs.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

welcome to SWF mafia. our first 24 hours of play is usually full of joke votes and joking around with the people. By everyone.

This. I argue with those players. I do not think joking is a scum tell, especially on Day 1 (I've used that in one of my 180 set-ups). However, there is a certain zombie syndrome in some of the players so that the gravitate to their opinions. Thoroughly annoying.

 

[SquirtleSquad]

Also, let the record show that I think that we have 4 innocents arguing while the wolves sit back and twiddle their thumbs.

If there were 7 votes on you and MM this last vote count, then how are the wolves not participating?

- Hando