Nabe, you actually shouldnt JUST vote on who is scummiest and likley to get lynched. If someone has a strong read on someone, as oppposed to the popular lynch candidate they should stick to their guns. Advocating people ignore their reasoning, and gut feelings, and go for the more reasonable lynch (based on popularity) is scummy, cuz you guys dont care wich townie it is, just whatever gets one of us out of here is better for the mob.
I like your stance on nabe, who until this post had been flying pretty much under the radar despite the heat that BSL had gotten before he replaced out. The fact that you are frustrated for Smarg picking at you for little (yet legitimate?) reasons I take together with her other behavior in the fact that she is picking easy targets and making weak stances on them.
The problem with JTB and Asdioh is that I could make equally strong cases for them being either town or scum. It balances out to null. And scum can buddy town (which is what I think Aposl is doing re J). I'm not sure what you're getting at with the other part of your post.
My preferred lynch order for the day is Aposl>PL>Nabe>TDW. PL town => J scum.
skimming. allergy season is in full force and I'm miserable and hopped up on antihistamines and I'm going to be lurky for a bit so I stay caught up, but I'm not going to post a whole lot. I'm not that happy with either an asdioh or a J lynch - if I had to pick a second choice after aposl it'd be pink lemonade.
really don't like the new skins either, but this is better than that godawful yellow crap.
I still like my vote on aposl. The most recent vote where he tries going after soup is bad - not because what soup did isn't scummy, but because of the way he did it, asking for approval and all.
I know I'm missing lots of questions. hope this helps:
Aposl - scum
TDW - null leaning scum, when's their v/la over again?
Nabe - null leaning scum, mostly for bsl's play, nabe's has been null.
PL - scum, but not likely the play for today so not worth a vote
Unreadable/not contributing:
soupa
kevm
jtb, especially most recent post
null
glyph
seikend
asdioh - he's had some scummy things and some townie things. don't want to lynch him today.
town
j
glg
I'm not following your scum and town reads and how you feel scum lies in us/J but J is town...and J and GLG are your only town reads, J being conditional on our flip though. Also, what about JTB's most recent post had made you put him in the not contributing/unreadable slot?
'kay, gonna lay out my hand.
JTB Town.
My initial case on him was based on him fluffing and not scumhunting. He then produces a case on me. Cool. Wrong, but cool. But instead of continuing to scumhunt he then goes onto attempt to clear himself from me. I ask him to drop it and look at the two current wagons but he continues to push that he is town. But the entire reason I was on him to begin with was because he wasn't scumhunting >__>;. I ignore him. Since then, he's actually been scumhunting. My initial case is void.
J Town
A lot of the things I picked up on were not scumtells at all. A read of Rusty Guillotine, a game in which J was town, showed that a lot of those tells were in fact, null. I feel his defence has been strong, and that he is legitimately scumhunting.
Asdioh/Soup
Had a townread on Asdioh before. read the cases, I'm now null-leaning-scum.
I feel his stance on J hasn't been clear at all. Says scummy at times, some things make him doubt his read. When I ask him for his stance on J I get:
:|. Entirely open to interpretation. Considering he has his vote on J, he doesn't seem very confident on Jscum.
On the other hand, there's Soup. His vote to L-1 could have been accidental, I accept this. However, he could have easily unvoted. His reason for why is first:
When asked why he couldn't unvote himself he says:
However, if you look back, you'll see he makes 4 posts after Asdioh asks him to unvote. Yet he doesn't unvote in any of them. Not buying it.
An Asdioh/Soup scumteam is very unlikely. I feel that Asdioh and Soup as both town is unlikely. I'm open to the possibility that they are both town, but for now, I'm seeing Soup scum.
Smargaret
So this is Smarg's big catch up post.
Town GLG makes no sense. Smarg says it's because of GLG's early play. But since then, GLG has been pretty vocal about being against what are Smarg's strongest stances (Town J and Scum Aposl).
I might be wrong in this case as I haven't bothered to check, but I'm curious about where that J town read comes from. Has there been any explanation for it?
The scum list is pretty much inactives. She hardly comments on the recent wagons (Asdioh as null, Jtb as "unreadable".)
Seems so horribly non-commital to anything, especially with Asdioh at L-1, and J at L-3. I haven't seen much in the way of scumhunting either, just feels like she's focused on Aposl.
@Smarg Explain your read on J, GLG, PL and Asdioh please.
Vote:Smargaret
Everyone else is more or less null to me. Nabe and GLG leaning town. Gonna re-read on those nulls.
Once again, I feel like these reads are pretty legit. Joey felt you were very scummy and I will keep that in mind, but I did my ISO on JTB and in the process ended up reading a lot on Seik too. My JTB ISO, despite being very boring, also came out to him looking pretty town, a little fluffy but mostly pretty active with scumhunting. Seikend end up about null, Joey's ISO deff influenced my read but I'm more null on him for now.
very brief response - I think there is one scum in J/PL. PL has done things that I expect of scum - namely, using the fact they're a hydra as an excuse. J has played like I've seen him play as town. Thus, I'd rather lynch PL than J.
You don't have to agree with someone 100% to think they're town. Townies can be wrong sometimes, otherwise we wouldn't ever mislynch. The fact that I disagree with GLG on J's alignment doesn't indicate much about GLG's alignment, since I think his presentation of his case has been town.
I've explained my read on Asdioh. He's done some scummy things - that resulted in the wagon - and he's done some townie things - most notably in his reaction to being at L-1. I don't think he's the right lynch today. I think that the two balance out to null, I'd lean town if you absolutely forced me to go one way or the other.
Soup's vote sucked. He admits to skimming and voting without paying attention to the votecount - Asdioh had even commented that he was at L-2 and uneasy with the history of double voters. I don't buy for a minute that Soup didn't know exactly what he was doing in putting Asdioh at L-1.
Unvote
Vote: Soup
...I'm having a lot of trouble understanding your voting process. So one of us/J is scum, but just because? What is the connection between us that you think validates that claim? If you could post some discussions we've had and why PL town=J scum even though J is one of your town reads right now that would be great.
Also, you said your scum lynch order was this: Aposl>PL>Nabe>TDW and then Soup just pops up for that vote? The vote may have been scummy, I'm personally null on what he did, but the fact that it warranted a vote over your top four scum picks is surprising to me, and scummy.
@PL You said you'd have three ISOs for us. When will they be done?
This is the July head, I'm done with my ISO on JTB, it was extremely boring but I ended up getting a town read on him from it. If you like I can post it later (after I get back from class) but summary is fluffing, overzealous at time for his scum picks to be lynched but overall very consistent in his reads, attentive and asking questions and very actively scumhunting.
PL, what do you think of Seikends stance on you after saying you thought he was scummy? Does something stand out to you?
Seikend is null for me, from my own ISO on JTB and their interactions. Joey"s ISO found him suspicious and I will take that to heart, but I would personally rather look see Smarg go toDay.
I would be willing to lynch Smarg at this point too.
Who's interested?
*raises hand* Me!
PL, what is your read on Aposl. IDC which head just tell me what your current thought is now.
I have to agree with Nabe that Aposl has the characteristics of reckless town. I haven't been convinced that his actions thus far are scummy rather than just misguided, so leaning town with him.
Despite me agreeing with Nabe though, do think that Nabe warrants looking into, it's already been addressed but he is playing very differently from BSL and that has made it hard to get a read on his slot, this increase in pressure on him is good imo.
@PL I assume only one of the hydra is on currently. Would you be able to vote alone, or would you need to confer first?
Yes, I would be able to vote alone.
Smarg needs to be lynched. I can tell she is scum because when I pushed the lynch on her last game all she cited was that I was "coasting" and never had anything relevant to say about my play style even though I was posting. Sounds a lot like this game.
I don't rely on meta but the similarities are just to strong for me to ignore.
I've been having the battle over whether or not Smarg is scummy or I am just not a fan of her playstyle from day 1 of Day 1, which is hard to determine since she was scum in the only other game I've played with her, which was Rusty Guillotine. Kevin is exactly right though, she is attacking Kevin in exactly the same way and her "one of J/Pink is scum" stance is exactly the same as she felt about GLG/J in that game. Smarg is scummy here, and Smarg meta points scum.
Vote: Smargaret
Btws this is kind of a catch up post, my head has been busy with school and distracted by other games but I will be more active here now that it is only Ran and I.
