Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

What would make em wanna claim VT if he was scum, and had a good watcher/tracker claim? I'd think as scum, asdioh would go on to claim watcher/tracker.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

good point, i was just thinking.

 

[Seikend]

What would make em wanna claim VT if he was scum, and had a good watcher/tracker claim? I'd think as scum, asdioh would go on to claim watcher/tracker.

How easy is it for scum to fake reliable watcher/tracker results?

That would depend on scum roles, right?

 

[Seikend]

Basically, if we lynch scum and they have an investigative role, I'm going to be looking straight at Asdioh again.

Other than that, I'm fine for now.

 

[Seikend]

Wait that makes no sense.

If they have an investigative role, I'll consider Asdioh cleared.

 

[Seikend]

@Soup Remind me of your read on Aposl, and reasoning please?

@J I swear I should know this but I don't. Read on Glyph?

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

How easy is it for scum to fake reliable watcher/tracker results?

Who cares? Him claiming that as scum can either get a watcher or a tracker to CC em, outing a PR, OR can help em live another Day and just gamble from there.

 

[Seikend]

Who cares? Him claiming that as scum can either get a watcher or a tracker to CC em, outing a PR, OR can help em live another Day and just gamble from there.

Yeah, I'm with you. I was just running over thoughts in my head. I'm happy with Asdioh town for now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Apsol: Noob town who is trying to help but can't seem to find any leads so he is constantly stating dumb questions and things alike.

not much else i can say really, guy barely posts and most of it is just ramble.

 

[Seikend]

You had him as scum earlier and wanted his lynched.

What changed your mind?

 

[Seikend]

EBWOP: him

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

The case on smarg made me change my mind, basically, i know this isn't a ten paragraph post but i hate doing that.

i felt smarg was town before, but her recent play has been scummy, and when i look back at the Aposl vote, i can see smarg trying to get rid of the weak links first.

and the above sums up everything else.

 

[Seikend]

The case on smarg made me change my mind, basically, i know this isn't a ten paragraph post but i hate doing that.

i felt smarg was town before, but her recent play has been scummy, and when i look back at the Aposl vote, i can see smarg trying to get rid of the weak links first.

and the above sums up everything else.

Alright, I'm good with that answer.

If you wrote a ten paragraph answer I'd be mad. Concise is good.

 

[Seikend]

'kay, last question Soup before I make a call on your alignment.

What's your scumpicks currently?

 

[Seikend]

@JTB Wher'd you go?

Where you at regarding Asdioh and Smarg now?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Scum:
BSL (now nabe)
Smarg
Pink Lemonade

Null:
Glyphmoney
GLG
TDW
KevinM

Town:
J
Asdioh
Aposl
JTB
Seikend (:3)

 

[Seikend]

Cool, don't see any inconsistencies.

I'm fine with Soup. Your vote on Asdioh and reasoning for it was really... ugh. Other than that, I've got no real issues with you really.

 

[Seikend]

I'll probably make a post with my thoughts for the Day soon since the odds that I'll be around for the deadline is pretty low.

I /might/ have some level of activity over the weekend, but from Monday to Thursday I don't think I'll have any internet access at all. I'll miss a bit of D2 but I'll catch up.

 

[Seikend]

@J When will you be caught up with the thread?

I understand if it isn't in time for the deadline.

 

[#HBC | J]

Wednesday's I am V/LA every day.

Thursday/Friday I am not getting home till 9. As of now it's looking grim but I am gonna try.

 

[Seikend]

So who do I want to look at tomorrow.

JTB

Interaction with Smarg

JTB, you played the noob card. Don't play the noob card. It makes me think you're scum.

smargaret, what do you think of BSL's decision to replace out? Frustrated townie or AtE scum?

AFAIK that's the only times they communicate directly.

unvote vote Aposl

I don't know about you guys, but I'm tired of seeing Aposl coast like this. Get in the game yo, give us your thoughts on what is going on and who you think is scum besides smargaret.

Um

by tunneling smargaret, you are looking scummy. You aren't providing town with any help towards our wincon, you are simply acting of your own accord. Sure, you can say that you don't want to inconvenience town by posting your thoughts, but town needs all the information that it can get, even if your thoughts are flawed.

The opening story has no significance at all, don't use it as a means to scumhunt.

I find it odd, why did you wait until someone voted you to post? Also, you said yesterday that you were about to "take a strong stance" on someone, yet now you are saying that you will only focus on smargaret? What is the meaning of this?

And this is the only time JTB references Smarg.

Unreadable/not contributing:
soupa
kevm
jtb, especially most recent post

The problem with JTB and Asdioh is that I could make equally strong cases for them being either town or scum. It balances out to null. And scum can buddy town (which is what I think Aposl is doing re J). I'm not sure what you're getting at with the other part of your post.

???

Is JTB unreadable or does he have strong cases either way and he's null?


Smarg's stance on JTB is Unreadable/null
JTB's stance on Smarg ???


I know I said JTB Town before, but I'm reeling it back.

I thought he was scumhunting. But on my re-read, I'm not seeing it. He asks a lot of questions, sure. But he doesn't push anything. The only person he pushes after me is Aposl, but he even explicitly states he doesn't see Aposl as scum. He just wants to motivate him to post.

Early on all he talks about is me and makes several comments that amount to "Let's lynch Seikend". Pure fluff.

oh, herp derp

I was hoping once J was satisfied with you (Asdioh) being town, I could start a Seikend wagon back up.

He's been tunneling all day, that doesn't bug anyone?

His absence from the latter part of the day when we've been looking at Smarg doesn't bug anyone?

Seikend, I wouldn't take Asdioh wanting to claim to heart. He's done the same in an on-going game, I can't talk too much about it but it's definitely not something unexpected from him.

glyph, it most likely has to do with the drama unfolding in re4

reading now

That's his two posts since the Smarg wagon has built up. Irrelevant.


If Smarg flips town I still will be looking at JTB tommorow. A smargscum flip and He'll be my focus.


JTB is my main lead going into tomorrow.

I have players that are null-leaning scum for me, but I'll say who they are and look at them tomorrow. Don't want to risk PRs.

 

[JTB]

I apologize for my activity as of late. This game definitely took a backseat to my other ones the past few nights. I was honestly rereading last night, then I just got exhausted and decided to nap instead. I'll make up for my inactivity tonight.

 

[smargaret]

I'm not going to claim, it would not be in town's best interests for me to do so. Vig should shoot Asdioh.

Seikend is reaching. Look at him first, especially on an Asdioh scumflip. Then KevM, Nabe, and PL.

Seikend, shouldn't you have asked GLG if power roles can be reluctant to out themselves too? You're suffering confirmation bias or you're scum. I think it's more likely that you're scum.

 

[JTB]

yo town I'm fine with a smarg lynch

Thought her initial call out of aposl was pretty scummy, it was pretty clear to me that he was noob and smarg was being opportunistic. didn't really pay much attention to her throughout the Day because she was solely focused on aposl.

what I really don't like is her telling us that she picked up on Asdiohs breadcrumb, that's a pretty big scumtell to me. plus I like Asdioh's reasoning for why he gambited after seeing others do it in other games.

she also seems mad desperate to get the asdioh lynch, especially with the whole "asdioh being reluctant to claim" biz and trying to make his gambit seem like a scumtell

so yeah, smargaret, go ahead and claim before I hammer, I'm not buying the "it's in towns best interests for me not to claim" AtE

 

[JTB]

un vote

 

[smargaret]

There are times that it's appropriate to claim and times it's not. This is one of those times it's not.

 

[Asdioh]

I'm trying to get a solid read on Smarg but I'm having a hard time. If those that have thought she was scum from the beginning are correct, then damn good job, teach me how to do that.

Just looked through her posts, and to summarize from what I can remember:
Beginning of the game, going against Aposl. Dislikes his policy, dislikes him avoiding her question, etc. He is her strongest, most consistent scumread it seems. It could be seen as tunneling, especially now that I know the extent of how new he is, but I don't know.

Later on, discussion with the Glyph/J stuff. Talks to Glyph a lot and tries to get him to answer stuff during the phase where he was being kind of obnoxious. Likes J a lot more out of the two. idk

She thinks J is town, PL is scum (though note that PL town->J scum). She voted Soup because of how scummy he was putting me at L-1, which I've already said I agree with. She is null on me for most of the game, until I claimed and/or the wagon started on her instead of me, then she sure as hell wanted to lynch me. I'm trying to decide if my claim sat that badly with her, or if she was getting desperate under late-Day pressure. I'm thinking it's the latter. She also brings Seikend from null to scum around this time.

See, to me, she didn't start looking scummy until more recently, which is after others already said she was looking scummy. Her earlier game play was kind of ehhh, but it didn't leave a strong "smarg is scum" impression on me?

And she's not claiming, but instead heavily implying that she has a PR (don't you dare accuse me of rolefishing, this much is obvious)
Is this desperate scum trying to get me lynched, or desperate townPR trying to lynch a VT instead of herself?

See why I'm frustrated? Sure, I'd love to make it through the day without dying, but I'm not ready to hammer someone I don't have a solid read on.

Can anyone convince me how earlygame Smarg was really scummy? I've seen the words deflecting and parroting thrown around, but I don't really know how to find examples of such.
Can anyone tell me why Kevinms one-liners get the voting avalanche started (like on Smarg recently)? lol
Can anyone drag J in here so he doesn't survive the rest of D1 just by coasting?

[collapse=buncha more recent quotes I was looking at while writing this]

skimming. allergy season is in full force and I'm miserable and hopped up on antihistamines and I'm going to be lurky for a bit so I stay caught up, but I'm not going to post a whole lot. I'm not that happy with either an asdioh or a J lynch - if I had to pick a second choice after aposl it'd be pink lemonade.

really don't like the new skins either, but this is better than that godawful yellow crap.

I still like my vote on aposl. The most recent vote where he tries going after soup is bad - not because what soup did isn't scummy, but because of the way he did it, asking for approval and all.

I know I'm missing lots of questions. hope this helps:

Aposl - scum
TDW - null leaning scum, when's their v/la over again?
Nabe - null leaning scum, mostly for bsl's play, nabe's has been null.
PL - scum, but not likely the play for today so not worth a vote

Unreadable/not contributing:
soupa
kevm
jtb, especially most recent post

null
glyph
seikend
asdioh - he's had some scummy things and some townie things. don't want to lynch him today.

town
j
glg

The problem with JTB and Asdioh is that I could make equally strong cases for them being either town or scum. It balances out to null. And scum can buddy town (which is what I think Aposl is doing re J). I'm not sure what you're getting at with the other part of your post.

My preferred lynch order for the day is Aposl>PL>Nabe>TDW. PL town => J scum.

very brief response - I think there is one scum in J/PL. PL has done things that I expect of scum - namely, using the fact they're a hydra as an excuse. J has played like I've seen him play as town. Thus, I'd rather lynch PL than J.

You don't have to agree with someone 100% to think they're town. Townies can be wrong sometimes, otherwise we wouldn't ever mislynch. The fact that I disagree with GLG on J's alignment doesn't indicate much about GLG's alignment, since I think his presentation of his case has been town.

I've explained my read on Asdioh. He's done some scummy things - that resulted in the wagon - and he's done some townie things - most notably in his reaction to being at L-1. I don't think he's the right lynch today. I think that the two balance out to null, I'd lean town if you absolutely forced me to go one way or the other.

Soup's vote sucked. He admits to skimming and voting without paying attention to the votecount - Asdioh had even commented that he was at L-2 and uneasy with the history of double voters. I don't buy for a minute that Soup didn't know exactly what he was doing in putting Asdioh at L-1.

Unvote
Vote: Soup

glyph, you're lucky to get anything coherent out of me at all when I've taken benadryl. I tend to jump up and down on the bed singing lady gaga and babbling about rainbow unicorns. Seriously, I have no need for illegal drugs with what that stuff does to me.

The soup vote was for his vote on Asdioh. He didn't explain his reasoning for that vote until after the post where I had him listed as null but not contributing. His explanation of the vote shifted him to scum. Simple, no?

Well, now that Asdioh's claimed I can post the reason for my wishy-washy stance on him - his reluctance to claim made me suspect he was a pr and I saw the crumb and didn't want to out a power role. What was I supposed to say, that he was the watcher? Which apparently he isn't. LAL and all that, I'm angry and I want him lynched now.

The "who would you kill" post from Aposl is bad. I want a votecount to make sure it's not hammer, since I think there's stuff to be discussed, but Asdioh, that was incredibly bad town play if you're town and a poor claim if you're scum. You die today.

KevM is coasting, this is something to keep in mind especially if you wind up lynching me today.

I'm at either 4 or 5 votes, I got 4 someone else got 5. Votecount please?

I was commenting on what stuck out to me. I'd like to hear, well, anything other than "because I said so" from KevM. Was that tagged on? I'm starting to get a scumread on Seikend, it feels like he's looking for an easy bandwagon.

How many times did you have to threaten him to get him to claim? How long did he sit at L-1 without claiming? How many times was a claim requested? Go back and reread it if you don't see, it's not exactly something I can pull quotes for. And I'm going to bed now, won't respond to anything until tomorrow.

No, I will not claim. We're lynching the claimed vt. Or we're lynching scum. We're not lynching me.

Asking "Do you want a claim?" instead of just outright claiming at L-1 shows reluctance to claim.

Everyone who suggested Asdioh wasn't reluctant to claim because he asked.

I'm suggesting Asdioh be lynched because you lynch claimed vt's. When does town need to ever gambit a watcher claim? If we had a real watcher, all that gambit would do would out them - Ran, you should see what I'm saying.

Asdioh was at L-1. That, to me, is a suggestion that he claim. And then, it's supported when people started saying "claim!" and he didn't.

Anyway, since I'm not sure I remembered to do this last night -

Unvote
Vote: Asdioh

KeevM isn't scum, KevM is coasting (this isn't parroting, I've said it before). Since he's coasting, I can't read him and he has to stay null until he gets off his butt and does something. He needs attention, but not until tomorrow since we have to lynch Asdiohscum today.

I want to see Asdioh lynched today. I am astonished that nobody is even considering why town - vanilla town, at that - would have to gambit like that. I'd put PL and Aposl next, in that order. You're in the null leaning scum zone. My nullscum read on TDW is based on meta - and I have good meta on Gord, since kuz hasn't been posting much - and the fact that he's lurking. He should also point out that this length of a scum list isn't atypical for me in a game with this many players when it's this early on.

I can see him panicking and not knowing what to do.

This is not an appropriate time for me to claim.

The appropriate course of action is to lynch the claimed vt.

Seikend - sorry I didn't see your earlier post. The quotes have already been posted elsewhere - I'm talking about the separate time when I think it was you told him to claim or he'd be put at L-1.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

*headdesk* People claim at L-1 here, right? Asdioh DID NOT claim at L-1. You CANNOT provide quotes to prove it, you CANNOT reference it.

You are asking me for something that nobody can provide. Reread the last two pages if you really don't get it, stop beating a dead horse.

I'm not going to claim, it would not be in town's best interests for me to do so. Vig should shoot Asdioh.

Seikend is reaching. Look at him first, especially on an Asdioh scumflip. Then KevM, Nabe, and PL.

Seikend, shouldn't you have asked GLG if power roles can be reluctant to out themselves too? You're suffering confirmation bias or you're scum. I think it's more likely that you're scum.

[/collapse]

 

[Asdioh]

@Smarg: is that a fair summary of you (considering how quickly I did it and how late at night it is )
Is there anything you want to add or disagree with?

 

[Seikend]

I'm not going to claim, it would not be in town's best interests for me to do so. Vig should shoot Asdioh.

Seikend is reaching. Look at him first, especially on an Asdioh scumflip. Then KevM, Nabe, and PL.

Seikend, shouldn't you have asked GLG if power roles can be reluctant to out themselves too? You're suffering confirmation bias or you're scum. I think it's more likely that you're scum.

I know PRS can be reluctant too though.

I explicitly state that Town PR and scum are both reasonable possibilities.

Buuuuut, Asdioh not claiming at L-1 could also mean he is scum. Town PR and scum are both perfectly reasonable possibilities.

Smarg rules out the possibility of Asdioh scum though. She instantly assumes Asdioh is a town PR.

Can anyone convince me how earlygame Smarg was really scummy? I've seen the words deflecting and parroting thrown around, but I don't really know how to find examples of such.
Can anyone tell me why Kevinms one-liners get the voting avalanche started (like on Smarg recently)? lol
Can anyone drag J in here so he doesn't survive the rest of D1 just by coasting?

Can't answer the first question. I didn't have an issue with Smarg earlygame. I think it was Kev, Glyph and maybe GLG that did. Smarg didn't really look scummy for me until she posted her stances. It all went downhill for me from there.

I read what Kev says. I look and see if what he says is true. If it is, I keep digging.

Eh. I would like J here for D1 but I understand if he isn't.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

notice the first two quotes, there is a great contradictiion between her scumpicks and her preferred lynches, granted she might have had different opnions by then, but i have not seen anything.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

also the contradiction is not a writing on the wall.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

notice how she constantly parrots Asdioh's lynch.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

thinking out loud with EBWOP's again, apologies, despite all of the scumminess in her posts, i see some town reluctance, but we only have a day left before the deadline, so today's play should either be Asdioh or Smarg, granted smarg answers a couple of questions i have lined up for her.

(yes i know asdioh already said parroting im a skim reader )

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Seikend, if we do vote Asdioh this day (and i still have a town-read on him) do you feel it would be a wasted lynch?

would it put smarg up as the tommorow play?

 

[Seikend]

Seikend, if we do vote Asdioh this day (and i still have a town-read on him) do you feel it would be a wasted lynch?

would it put smarg up as the tommorow play?

Define wasted.

I would definitely take a Smarg lynch over an Asdioh lynch.
I would take an Asdioh lynch over a no lynch.


Yes.

I don't believe she picked up on Asdioh being a PR at all. Her reasoning for lynching Asdioh is flawed and very last minute, feels like self-preservation. If Asdioh flipped scum I'd have to consider it a little more, but I'd still focus hard on Smarg tommorow.

I'm not sure what you meant to get out of these questions, but I got something.

Spoiler

Well, now that Asdioh's claimed I can post the reason for my wishy-washy stance on him - his reluctance to claim made me suspect he was a pr and I saw the crumb and didn't want to out a power role. What was I supposed to say, that he was the watcher? Which apparently he isn't. LAL and all that, I'm angry and I want him lynched now.

I want a votecount to make sure it's not hammer, since I think there's stuff to be discussed, but Asdioh, that was incredibly bad town play if you're town and a poor claim if you're scum. You die today.

No, I will not claim. We're lynching the claimed vt. Or we're lynching scum. We're not lynching me.

I'm suggesting Asdioh be lynched because you lynch claimed vt's. When does town need to ever gambit a watcher claim? If we had a real watcher, all that gambit would do would out them - Ran, you should see what I'm saying.


Unvote
Vote: Asdioh

He needs attention, but not until tomorrow since we have to lynch Asdiohscum today.

I want to see Asdioh lynched today. I am astonished that nobody is even considering why town - vanilla town, at that - would have to gambit like that.

The appropriate course of action is to lynch the claimed vt.

Do you see what I see Soup?


She only refer to Asdioh as scum once, and this is after making several posts about lynching him.

All the rest is just saying we should lynch the claimed vt.


This line is my favourite though.

No, I will not claim. We're lynching the claimed vt. Or we're lynching scum. We're not lynching me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

glad you picked up on what i was seeing seik.

 

[Seikend]

glad you picked up on what i was seeing seik.

>_>.

Explain please.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

She only refer to Asdioh as scum once, and this is after making several posts about lynching him.

All the rest is just saying we should lynch the claimed vt.

you already said it.

 

[Seikend]

you already said it.

:/. Okay, I re-read.

I wasn't sure how the questions you were asking me related to the point I came to, but no, I see it now.

I would have preferred if you pointed it out though Soup.

 

[#HBC | J]

Asdioh, I wouldn't be "coasting" as you call it if it wasn't for my school's play is having tech week and hell week for the next two weeks and I have to stay till about 8-9pm every day. Mafia isn't a major priority at the current time but after this like 1 more week it's spring break and I'll hopefully still be able to play.

Any questions while I'm on the cpu for like 5/10 more minutes from the people viewing right now?