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Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?
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#HBC | ѕoup
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mafia would just kill you, noting they already know who is the fake doc.
Seikend
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If mafia kills the doc we see the flip and see they were the doc. Town knows that the fake doc was a fake. They die.
By forcing mafia to kill the doc you guarantee you don't mislynch, you WILL lynch the fake.
If there was a CC now unless we know for certain who the real doc is, you stand the chance of mislynching.
If we mislynch then we're down a doc AND scum get a NK.
July
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Kk you kind of lost me here, if no one ccs she is pretty much confirmed doc. If there was someone who could counter claim they would (or at least they should) and then we would follow Seikend's plan because for scum killing the doc would out the fake doc aka scum immediately. If no one ccs and Smarg is scum then she got really lucky and claimed a role that isn't in this game but that's pretty unlikely. Chances are no cc means she is town regardless of if she can doc herself.
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Aposl needs to stop rolefishing. He's moved back up on my scum list.
Whoever said that looking for crumbs made me suspect, it's sort of my "job" to power role hunt so I can find the best person to protect. I can self-protect, I'll flip a coin to decide if I do or not tonight.
I think the way Asdioh claimed was scummy as heck, and there is no good reason for a vt to gambit watcher like that. There is also a theoretical benefit to lynching claimed VTs - you don't out power roles, and you don't give mafia the advantage of a smaller pool of potential power roles. What's more, if someone is scummy enough to make it to L-1 and has no way of confirming themselves, odds are good they'll be a liability in LyLo.
Whoever said that looking for crumbs made me suspect, it's sort of my "job" to power role hunt so I can find the best person to protect. I can self-protect, I'll flip a coin to decide if I do or not tonight.
I think the way Asdioh claimed was scummy as heck, and there is no good reason for a vt to gambit watcher like that. There is also a theoretical benefit to lynching claimed VTs - you don't out power roles, and you don't give mafia the advantage of a smaller pool of potential power roles. What's more, if someone is scummy enough to make it to L-1 and has no way of confirming themselves, odds are good they'll be a liability in LyLo.
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I think everyone should list their lynch picks for toDay now. Don't want to risk a No Lynch.
Personally I'd prefer Asdioh>JTB>Myself>No Lynch.
Glyph and J are possibilities if anyone can point to solid connections we get for town and scum flips.
Personally I'd prefer Asdioh>JTB>Myself>No Lynch.
Glyph and J are possibilities if anyone can point to solid connections we get for town and scum flips.
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I wasnt role fishing I was basically listing what we would get out of different scenarios if you got NK or not NK and if you revealed if you could heal yourself/ not heal yourself. Thats all. You already claimed your role right? so how was that fishing?
Smarg, think of it this way. I have been sticking out pretty sorely, and it's pretty obvious there are plenty of people willing to lynch me.
Now, look at this. You were at L-1, and unwilling to claim. I had guessed at that point that you were most likely doctor, since doctor is the only common role that really hurts itself by claiming. My vote was not on you at the time. If I were scum, I would have lynched you then and there, thus killing the doctor and giving my faction a free NK. I would die the next day, but it would be completely worth it for my faction, wouldn't it?
Instead, I was hesitant to lynch you because I thought you might be the doctor, in addition to the fact that I just didn't understand why everyone thought you were scummy, aside from your recent obvious desperation to survive.
Now, assuming that nobody counterclaims you, that pretty much clears both of us in my eyes. I think lynching me would be a waste. I still think lynching J is better.
...wait, why is Seik listing me as his top lynch, including himself in there, and not including J? O_o
afk work again
Now, look at this. You were at L-1, and unwilling to claim. I had guessed at that point that you were most likely doctor, since doctor is the only common role that really hurts itself by claiming. My vote was not on you at the time. If I were scum, I would have lynched you then and there, thus killing the doctor and giving my faction a free NK. I would die the next day, but it would be completely worth it for my faction, wouldn't it?
Instead, I was hesitant to lynch you because I thought you might be the doctor, in addition to the fact that I just didn't understand why everyone thought you were scummy, aside from your recent obvious desperation to survive.
Now, assuming that nobody counterclaims you, that pretty much clears both of us in my eyes. I think lynching me would be a waste. I still think lynching J is better.
...wait, why is Seik listing me as his top lynch, including himself in there, and not including J? O_o
afk work again
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Seik why are you on your own lynch pick list?
I would say one of Glyph, Asdioh and Seikend. Glyph is has been Ran's scum pick and we had a case on him before, I honestly don't remember much input from him since then but it could help with reads on Nabe, J, and help others with reads on us I assume. Seikend was Joey's top scum pick and you do have connections, don't like you being in your own lynch pool, that's strange to me but mostly you or Asdioh are possibilities for your connections. Asdioh case has already been made, shot down, rehashed, etc. but if its his lynch or no lynch obviously we need a lynch.
Counterclaim would out scum and keep the real doc alive (or else they out themselves automatically) so pretty much. Also, this may not need to be said but as town never counterclaim for the heck of it or claim pr at L-1 if you are vt, it will just cause drama and mislynches.
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We don't necessarily want a CC, since without one we can be pretty sure Smar really is the Doc and get to keep it.
My scum picks have all kinda evaporated since Asdioh and Smar both claimed and I believe both of their claims (even if cop gets CC'd I won't support a Smar lynch).
Still maintain that J is the play for toDay. Seik you want connections from his lynch? I'll do some reading and see what I come up with.
If J's not happening, I'd like to see PL/Soup lynched. I have the bad habit of writing people off as dumbtown when some of their actions make no sense to me (see, Asdioh in UPick1, Ran X1's Newbie Mafia), and I don't want them to slip under the radar. I'm not including Aposl in that list because everything he's done has made sense to me, and made me feel like he's just new to this format.
Fine with the three I've mentioned above. Unless you can produce an overwhelming case against someone not mentioned there, I'm not for their lynch.
My scum picks have all kinda evaporated since Asdioh and Smar both claimed and I believe both of their claims (even if cop gets CC'd I won't support a Smar lynch).
Still maintain that J is the play for toDay. Seik you want connections from his lynch? I'll do some reading and see what I come up with.
If J's not happening, I'd like to see PL/Soup lynched. I have the bad habit of writing people off as dumbtown when some of their actions make no sense to me (see, Asdioh in UPick1, Ran X1's Newbie Mafia), and I don't want them to slip under the radar. I'm not including Aposl in that list because everything he's done has made sense to me, and made me feel like he's just new to this format.
Fine with the three I've mentioned above. Unless you can produce an overwhelming case against someone not mentioned there, I'm not for their lynch.
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You are still on my scum list.
Smargaret isn't cleared to me until she flips or another PR can prove she's the doc.
I believe I had J on my list prior to my inactive period, I'll have to double check. But of my three, I think J is the best way to go today.
Smargaret isn't cleared to me until she flips or another PR can prove she's the doc.
I believe I had J on my list prior to my inactive period, I'll have to double check. But of my three, I think J is the best way to go today.
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http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12463993&postcount=617
I think that's the last time you mentioned it.
I think that's the last time you mentioned it.
Toastin Dat Walrus
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@JTB: Glyph read.
Seik, what are doing giving JTB a free pass if he gives you his scumpicks? Don't give people the chance to be opportunistic.
Seik, what are doing giving JTB a free pass if he gives you his scumpicks? Don't give people the chance to be opportunistic.
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Because I don't see a JTB lynch happening at all toDay. I've presented my reasoning for JTB scum recently, no one's commented on it. I don't think anyone has JTB on their lynch possibilities toDay besides me.
There's not much I can do except push it on D2.
The list does not please me though.
Aware of the scumpick on me.
Smarg fine, but you say it yourself, you can't really do any scumhunting regarding Smarg. Needs PR confirmation.
J is iffy. He was on the Asdioh wagon during Asdioh/J. Seemed to be in agreement with J later in the day. Doesn't add up to me.
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[collapse=Pre-game]
Kuz --> Notes J is posting "aggro", must be scum again
JTB --> "Oh god not this" @ J's "thank goodness I'm town!" post
X1 --> Supports a J Lynch (he is tentative on this stance)
Soup --> D1's plan consists of tunneling J, joke post[/collapse]
[collapse=D1]
JTB --> Votes J, based off earlier quote? Moves vote to Seik almost immediately after.
Glyph --> States J's #28 feels "hella off", wants a J lynch
J --> Question's Glyph's attack on him when he hasn't said anything officially
Glyph --> Feels the pre-game was reason enough to justify his suspicions
J --> Glyph's vote on Smar was unfounded, tag-a-long. Votes Glyph. (for posts like this with a lot of information in them I'm going to post the link to them. #210
Glyph --> "J is totes scum"
J --> Asks Glyph why
Glyph --> Explains. Cited by someone (Soup I think) as saying "Nuh-uh!" to J's points, but I maintain refuting points against you is something anyone would do. Votes J. #217
J --> Pretty much the same thing again. Quote's Glyph's points and argues against them. States Glyph's vote is OMGUS. #223
PL --> Ask's Glyph to explain why J is scum in one sentence
Glyph --> More J/Glyph back and forth. #230
Glyph --> Responds to PL with "Look at his pregame play.
Oh oh or
J is always scum."
PL --> Not satisfied with Glyph's explanation, pushes for more detailed explanation.
#242-#245 even more Glyph/J happy fun time.
#249-#251, #253, #256, #257,#262, #275-#280, #281 same. There are a lot of these posts, I'd recommend re-reading this whole section and forming your own opinion on it.
PL and J have chummy conversation about both wanting to say the same thing and ninja'ing each other.
J --> Calls out Smar for parroting him
J --> Asks Kev for implications upon a Glyphscum and Smargscum flip. He responds with both clearing him as town plus other stuff he wants to talk about later
Glyph --> Ask J who would be implicated when he flipped scum. (one of the infamous joke posts)
PL --> Again defending J through disagreeing with Glyph's case.
Asdioh --> Scum read on J because "he's J and because of the reasons Glyph said."
Seikend --> Null stance on J
PL --> Once again against Glyph's case against J. Never states J is town though.
Soup --> Town read on J, very non-committal though ("Town for now...")
J --> FoS on Asdioh, quoting the post where Asdioh states he has a scum read on J. Cites Asdioh's failure to explain scum reads as reasoning. Goes on to support a PL post and warn against focusing on KevinM's attitude. Has a town read on Kev and null real on Seik
J --> "PL is interesting to say the least. I am willing to put them as leaning town because I do like that post by PL I already quoted, however it does seem PL is more taking on the pushing Glyph wagon then I had when I just stated that I am calling him scum based on what I find hypocritic/weird/scummy behaviour. KevinM's point on them saying they are already okay with a Glyph lynch is good because even I'm not okay with setting a lynch as of yet. From what I've seen though. Ran/Joey side = null, July side = townish. Ran is looking a little townie but I need to look into them more in depth because most of the stuff I remember is him co-pushing the Glyph wagon harder then I have been." Couldn't really think of a good way to summarize this, so here read it yourself.
GLG --> Lists J as a potential scummate of Smar; possible staged fight between Glyph and J. Also asks Kev why he's buddying with J. (he goes on to withdraw this after clarification from KevinM)
Glyph --> #477 Explanation of push against J.
J --> Votes Asdioh. No mention of why in post, implied for prior reasons.
J/X1 argue over whether or not to allow Ran to post on his hydra, with occasional comments from the other players
Seikend --> Explains J's standpoint to X1. Potentially had it explained to him outside of the thread.
GLG --> Votes J
J --> Glyph = scum read, BSL = Town Read
J --> Whoooole buncha AtE.
Seik --> Votes J based off "interesting" tell explained by GLG
Asdioh --> Claims using cute faces is often a scumtell (directed at J), also states that every post J makes is a scumtell (clearly an exaggeration but he's taking a pretty distinct "J is scum" stance) votes J.
JTB --> Expresses concerns with Seik's J vote based off the interesting tell.
BSL --> J might be scum
J --> #610 "*comes back for a breif sec*
Huh that's really interesting. One person speaks up on J is scum and now everyone is saying "J scum, J scum, J scum." based off of really weak reasoning.
Wow this is helping me so much with my reads. =o
I'll do a list with my response."
JTB --> J scumteam with BSL and Seikend
KevinM --> "could look at J not sure would have to reread"
Soup --> Town read on J
J --> MASSIVE post on why Asdioh is scum. Had already voted for Asdioh in the past but waited this long to post a case okay.
J --> Scum: Asdioh, Seikend, Glyph
Null: GLG, Smarg, TDW, BSL, Aposl
Town: KevinM, Soupa, PL, JTB [note JTB was omitted in the first list]
Seik --> J/JTB scumteam possible[/collapse]
That covers up to page mutha****in 20. I can keep going if you want, but my point that there's certainly connections made between J and others should be made times a million.
My personal reads based off this (not including myself since I know I am town, but you should make your own inferenced based off of your reread):
J-scum flip would imply: PL Scum, potential Seikend scum, potential Soup scum. Asdioh town.
J-town flip (lol) would imply: Pretty much the opposite of that list.
Kuz --> Notes J is posting "aggro", must be scum again
JTB --> "Oh god not this" @ J's "thank goodness I'm town!" post
X1 --> Supports a J Lynch (he is tentative on this stance)
Soup --> D1's plan consists of tunneling J, joke post[/collapse]
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JTB --> Votes J, based off earlier quote? Moves vote to Seik almost immediately after.
Glyph --> States J's #28 feels "hella off", wants a J lynch
J --> Question's Glyph's attack on him when he hasn't said anything officially
Glyph --> Feels the pre-game was reason enough to justify his suspicions
J --> Glyph's vote on Smar was unfounded, tag-a-long. Votes Glyph. (for posts like this with a lot of information in them I'm going to post the link to them. #210
Glyph --> "J is totes scum"
J --> Asks Glyph why
Glyph --> Explains. Cited by someone (Soup I think) as saying "Nuh-uh!" to J's points, but I maintain refuting points against you is something anyone would do. Votes J. #217
J --> Pretty much the same thing again. Quote's Glyph's points and argues against them. States Glyph's vote is OMGUS. #223
PL --> Ask's Glyph to explain why J is scum in one sentence
Glyph --> More J/Glyph back and forth. #230
Glyph --> Responds to PL with "Look at his pregame play.
Oh oh or
J is always scum."
PL --> Not satisfied with Glyph's explanation, pushes for more detailed explanation.
#242-#245 even more Glyph/J happy fun time.
#249-#251, #253, #256, #257,#262, #275-#280, #281 same. There are a lot of these posts, I'd recommend re-reading this whole section and forming your own opinion on it.
PL and J have chummy conversation about both wanting to say the same thing and ninja'ing each other.
J --> Calls out Smar for parroting him
J --> Asks Kev for implications upon a Glyphscum and Smargscum flip. He responds with both clearing him as town plus other stuff he wants to talk about later
Glyph --> Ask J who would be implicated when he flipped scum. (one of the infamous joke posts)
PL --> Again defending J through disagreeing with Glyph's case.
Asdioh --> Scum read on J because "he's J and because of the reasons Glyph said."
Seikend --> Null stance on J
PL --> Once again against Glyph's case against J. Never states J is town though.
Soup --> Town read on J, very non-committal though ("Town for now...")
J --> FoS on Asdioh, quoting the post where Asdioh states he has a scum read on J. Cites Asdioh's failure to explain scum reads as reasoning. Goes on to support a PL post and warn against focusing on KevinM's attitude. Has a town read on Kev and null real on Seik
J --> "PL is interesting to say the least. I am willing to put them as leaning town because I do like that post by PL I already quoted, however it does seem PL is more taking on the pushing Glyph wagon then I had when I just stated that I am calling him scum based on what I find hypocritic/weird/scummy behaviour. KevinM's point on them saying they are already okay with a Glyph lynch is good because even I'm not okay with setting a lynch as of yet. From what I've seen though. Ran/Joey side = null, July side = townish. Ran is looking a little townie but I need to look into them more in depth because most of the stuff I remember is him co-pushing the Glyph wagon harder then I have been." Couldn't really think of a good way to summarize this, so here read it yourself.
GLG --> Lists J as a potential scummate of Smar; possible staged fight between Glyph and J. Also asks Kev why he's buddying with J. (he goes on to withdraw this after clarification from KevinM)
Glyph --> #477 Explanation of push against J.
J --> Votes Asdioh. No mention of why in post, implied for prior reasons.
J/X1 argue over whether or not to allow Ran to post on his hydra, with occasional comments from the other players
Seikend --> Explains J's standpoint to X1. Potentially had it explained to him outside of the thread.
GLG --> Votes J
J --> Glyph = scum read, BSL = Town Read
J --> Whoooole buncha AtE.
Seik --> Votes J based off "interesting" tell explained by GLG
Asdioh --> Claims using cute faces is often a scumtell (directed at J), also states that every post J makes is a scumtell (clearly an exaggeration but he's taking a pretty distinct "J is scum" stance) votes J.
JTB --> Expresses concerns with Seik's J vote based off the interesting tell.
BSL --> J might be scum
J --> #610 "*comes back for a breif sec*
Huh that's really interesting. One person speaks up on J is scum and now everyone is saying "J scum, J scum, J scum." based off of really weak reasoning.
Wow this is helping me so much with my reads. =o
I'll do a list with my response."
JTB --> J scumteam with BSL and Seikend
KevinM --> "could look at J not sure would have to reread"
Soup --> Town read on J
J --> MASSIVE post on why Asdioh is scum. Had already voted for Asdioh in the past but waited this long to post a case okay.
J --> Scum: Asdioh, Seikend, Glyph
Null: GLG, Smarg, TDW, BSL, Aposl
Town: KevinM, Soupa, PL, JTB [note JTB was omitted in the first list]
Seik --> J/JTB scumteam possible[/collapse]
That covers up to page mutha****in 20. I can keep going if you want, but my point that there's certainly connections made between J and others should be made times a million.
My personal reads based off this (not including myself since I know I am town, but you should make your own inferenced based off of your reread):
J-scum flip would imply: PL Scum, potential Seikend scum, potential Soup scum. Asdioh town.
J-town flip (lol) would imply: Pretty much the opposite of that list.
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Like I needed that hour and 40 minutes anyway.
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Vote: J
Deadline approaching, Lets go.
Vote: J
Deadline approaching, Lets go.
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Daaamn thats a lot of work Glyph :/. Thanks very much.
Right, I'm happy with Asdioh as town.
I still believe J is town but eh, those connections look good and I don't think we're going to lynch anyone I see as scummy toDay.
@Glyph On a townflip would you pursue Asdioh scum? You believe his claim currently.
Right, I'm happy with Asdioh as town.
I still believe J is town but eh, those connections look good and I don't think we're going to lynch anyone I see as scummy toDay.
@Glyph On a townflip would you pursue Asdioh scum? You believe his claim currently.
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Yes. A large part of my believing his claim stemmed from J making a huge case against him and that J is my biggest scum read. If J flips town, that lends a lot more credibility to his case since right now I see it as him trying to pass the buck to another player to save himself (I've decided its probably not a bus based on overall interactions).
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J is at L-2 right?
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I believe so, but I wouldn't add any more votes to him until we get a votecount up.
@mod: Votecount por favor
@mod: Votecount por favor
X1-12
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(unofficial, but correct) VOTE COUNT!
[2] Smargaret - KevinM / Nabe
[2] Asdioh - J / Smargaret
[5] J - Glyphmoney / GandhiLaserGun / Asdioh / JTB / Seikend
[0] Aposl
[0] Pink Lemonade
[0] GandhiLaserGun
[0] Seikend
[0] JTB
[0] Glyphmoney
[0] KevinM
[0] Toasting Dat Walrus
[0] Nabe
[0] Soupamario
[4] Not Voting - Toasting Dat Walrus / Soupamario / Pink Lemonade / Aposl
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Deadline set for Friday, April 8th, Midnight GMT.
[2] Smargaret - KevinM / Nabe
[2] Asdioh - J / Smargaret
[5] J - Glyphmoney / GandhiLaserGun / Asdioh / JTB / Seikend
[0] Aposl
[0] Pink Lemonade
[0] GandhiLaserGun
[0] Seikend
[0] JTB
[0] Glyphmoney
[0] KevinM
[0] Toasting Dat Walrus
[0] Nabe
[0] Soupamario
[4] Not Voting - Toasting Dat Walrus / Soupamario / Pink Lemonade / Aposl
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Deadline set for Friday, April 8th, Midnight GMT.
Pink Lemonade
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Holy crap Glyph :o Kk...I don't want Glyph dead, it's not like he's under intense pressure to be lynched toDay, his belief that J is scum looks legit.
However, its still my opinion that J is town. At least remember before ya'll lynch him there is no twilight in this game so if we want final thoughts from him, we need to get them before someone hammers.
However, its still my opinion that J is town. At least remember before ya'll lynch him there is no twilight in this game so if we want final thoughts from him, we need to get them before someone hammers.
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requesting hammer, and also, requesting that we let J speak first.
OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT from yours truly:
[5] J - Glyphmoney / GandhiLaserGun / Asdioh / JTB / Seikend
[2] Smargaret - KevinM / Nabe
[2] Asdioh - J / Smargaret
[0] Pink Lemonade
[0] GandhiLaserGun
[0] Seikend
[0] JTB
[0] Glyphmoney
[0] KevinM
[0] Toasting Dat Walrus
[0] Nabe
[0] Soupamario
[0] Aposl
[4] Not Voting - Toasting Dat Walrus / Soupamario / Pink Lemonade / Aposl
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Deadline set for Friday, April 8th, Midnight GMT.
[5] J - Glyphmoney / GandhiLaserGun / Asdioh / JTB / Seikend
[2] Smargaret - KevinM / Nabe
[2] Asdioh - J / Smargaret
[0] Pink Lemonade
[0] GandhiLaserGun
[0] Seikend
[0] JTB
[0] Glyphmoney
[0] KevinM
[0] Toasting Dat Walrus
[0] Nabe
[0] Soupamario
[0] Aposl
[4] Not Voting - Toasting Dat Walrus / Soupamario / Pink Lemonade / Aposl
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Deadline set for Friday, April 8th, Midnight GMT.
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Oh oh and definitely no one else vote with J being the self-hammering guy he is.
X1-12
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getting a lynch is more important than using every last minute of the day.
On phone cant really switch sorry kat
On phone cant really switch sorry kat
Toastin Dat Walrus
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Caught up. We still can't see J flipping scum, but even if he flips town, we're gonna be getting hella connections and shiz from his flip. Me and Kuz talked it over, and we'll be fine switching our vote. I won't be here for the deadline, gonna be at this school chorus performance. And neither will Kuz. So me placing the vote will probz be me keeping the vote there. If I'm here later tonight and I feel it's the best thing to do, I'll put em at L-1.
Toastin Dat Walrus
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FML color fail 
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Caught up. We still can't see J flipping scum, but even if he flips town, we're gonna be getting hella connections and shiz from his flip. Me and Kuz talked it over, and we'll be fine switching our vote. I won't be here for the deadline, gonna be at this school chorus performance. And neither will Kuz. So me placing the vote will probz be me keeping the vote there. If I'm here later tonight and I feel it's the best thing to do, I'll put em at L-1.
.Caught up. We still can't see J flipping scum, but even if he flips town, we're gonna be getting hella connections and shiz from his flip. Me and Kuz talked it over, and we'll be fine switching our vote. I won't be here for the deadline, gonna be at this school chorus performance. And neither will Kuz. So me placing the vote will probz be me keeping the vote there. If I'm here later tonight and I feel it's the best thing to do, I'll put em at L-1.