Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[Seikend]

Whattt.

Why is he claiming.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

that's what i'm wondering, this is not nameclaiming either, this is a full-blown claim...

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

People claim at L-1. It's a thing we do.

I really hoped I would get through D1 without claiming. I will do it soon enough though if I'm forced to.

It will by no means assure my survival, but it will at least be fun.

I can't deny this. She's been pretty silent about me, I've been pretty.. defensive? about her for part of the game, and then null on her for the other parts. If one of us is lynched, the other is going to be looked at regardless of the flip, yes?

It's a little unique, that's all.

Bolded are standard scumtells. Anyone who hints at their claim like that needs to be made to claim.

 

[Seikend]

I thought he was at L-2? And has been for a while?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

L-2 is fine, doesn't matter.

 

[Seikend]

Nah. Asdioh lynch isn't evitable at this point, he doesn't need to claim yet. A Smarg lynch is possible, you said yourself that you'd vote smarg.

Honestly I am seeing Asdioh scum myself. But he is not claiming now.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

That's cool.
Claim please, Asdioh, thanks.

 

[Asdioh]

Point to responding to Seikend's response? And why just NOW say you were baiting reactions?



This is the first time you have ever said that you were doing what you were doing to bait reactions and quite frankly, I think it's full of ****.

Why did YOU just "NOW" (in your earlier post) say you were baiting reactions?
Why do I even need to answer this? Isn't getting reactions a blatantly obvious part of playing mafia?

@my L-1 reaction: I personally don't think I seem as desperate as you claim I am. No, I don't want to be lynched just yet, because there were four days remaining and some people can V/LA/coast/bandwagon their way through my mislynch, and if we're going to waste Day 1 on me then I at least want as many reads as possible.


@Nabe: calm down. You're the only one asking for my claim, and we still have until Friday. I will certainly do it soon if it seems necessary, but I really wish X1/Kuz were here because I trust their opinion in regard to the timing of claims (note that I don't care what alignment they are for this matter) (call this buddying if you want, just speaking from personal experience again, I've never been this close to being lynched)

Nabe, if you're so desperate for my claim that you're going to focus on that to the exclusion of all else, go find what I crumbed early on. I'm busy reading through and responding to what happened while I was at work.

 

[Seikend]

Fine. Push the claim if you want Nabe.

If Asdioh flips town though, you know who I'll be looking at D2.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

After re-reading on BSL, Nabe's play has been totally different then BSL, and i don't see a relation to it, so i'm just gonna focus on the Nabe replacement for now.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Terrifying.


Asdioh, deadline is in just under 72 hours. That means there's still time to change the lynch if that's necessary, rather than scrambing in the last 12 hours which happens every time. 1123 contains two quotes of hinting at a role. That you did that means you are claiming toDay, and it should be right this second.

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh, consider this. It is down to you and your top town reads, who are they and which one of them is scum for what reason?

The wording is a little weird... do you mean like, a lylo situation with my town reads of GLG, JTB, and Glyph?

Uh... I'm trying to see your reasoning for asking this. I'm guessing you're saying that if I'm scum, and I listed those people as town, they're likely town because I would know that, so you want me to give reasoning on why they might not be town to help show that I'm not scum?
And also, wifom here, but if I were scum listing my strongest townreads, most scum would probably list a scummate amongst them?

If you can explain to me why you want this answered, then I'll answer if your reasoning is good, but for now I'd rather find scum than reduce my already-small townpool.

 

[#HBC | J]

Asidoh, you just made a simple question completely completely more difficult then the trying to break it down so you don't answer it. It's a simple question, who would be scum out of your two strongest town reads if one must be scum?

Also damn I gotta stop causing wildfire amounts of posts before I go to bed. >.> It gives me hell to respond to when I get back at like 8/9 at night.

 

[Seikend]

Ughh I snapped a little but Nabe is right. Claim please.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

And also, wifom here, but if I were scum listing my strongest townreads, most scum would probably list a scummate amongst them?

i love this post Asdioh, this is almost a town-tell for me, please pursue what you are getting at!~

 

[Asdioh]

This is mostly off-topic but I'm looking at Soups post and when Nabe joined he said

Oh lol.
Starting my read fresh, then. BSL was my scumpick. I thought maybe I was replacing Kuz/Gord.

I'm just noting that that's two games in a row where he replaced into his "top scumpicks" slot lol.


@Soup: I don't know what else to say about that. If I were to flip scum, that would mean that (made up statistics here, but it seems roughly right) two of my three townreads would be legitimate town, and one would most likely be a scummate. Thing is, I'm not flipping scum.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i thought you were on to something, i mean..why would you say that though..

dissapointment..

 

[#HBC | J]

Asdioh, I do want my question answered by the time I wake up so I can read it with breakfast.

Thanks duder <3

 

[Asdioh]

i thought you were on to something, i mean..why would you say that though..

dissapointment..

Read my post again, carefully. I think what I'm saying is pretty clear.

Asdioh listed 3 certain players as his strongest town reads.
If Asdioh were scum, it would be very likely that a scummate would be in that list.
Asdioh is town, so that list is entirely fallible.

Do you understand?

 

[Seikend]

Asdioh, if you don't claim next post I will put you at L-1.

 

[Asdioh]

Fine. Push the claim if you want Nabe.

If Asdioh flips town though, you know who I'll be looking at D2.

Ughh I snapped a little but Nabe is right. Claim please.

Asdioh, if you don't claim next post I will put you at L-1.

I'll get to it soon, tonight. It's not just a simple roleclaim

Spoiler

VT

but I want to explain why it's unique etc. which will take a couple minutes.

kind of disappointed I had to claim though.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Read my post again, carefully. I think what I'm saying is pretty clear.

Asdioh listed 3 certain players as his strongest town reads.
If Asdioh were scum, it would be very likely that a scummate would be in that list.
Asdioh is town, so that list is entirely fallible.

Do you understand?

so you're saying upon flip, one of your town reads could be scum.

 

[KevinM]

I definitely would want Smarg dead first at this point for what it's worth.

 

[Seikend]

Nah, no buying it. You say you are disappointed to claim. Earlier on you seemed happy enough to claim, and back when you were put at L-1 you put yourself forward to claim.

Vote:Asdioh

Also I'm pretty sure that picture is the new .

 

[Asdioh]

so you're saying upon flip, one of your town reads could be scum.

I'm saying that I am town, and I think those players are town. I am saying that since I am town, I only know that I am town, so my reads on them could be completely wrong. I am also saying that J wants me to call one of my townreads scummy, and I have no desire to do so right now so he can gtfo.

I definitely would want Smarg dead first at this point for what it's worth.

I'm going to do a readthrough of smarg before I elaborate on my claim.

 

[Asdioh]

Nah, no buying it. You say you are disappointed to claim. Earlier on you seemed happy enough to claim, and back when you were put at L-1 you put yourself forward to claim.

Vote:Asdioh

Also I'm pretty sure that picture is the new .

Seikend is being an idiot so I am going to elaborate on my claim before doing a readthrough of smarg.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

J I asked you to explain some stances.

 

[Aposl]

I definitely would want Smarg dead first at this point for what it's worth.

nothing without a vote

 

[KevinM]

Gauging reactions before I go swinging a wagon that might cause town to scamble with less time then I'd like.

 

[Asdioh]

Thanks for rushing me, Seik and Nabe.

Ok, everything I'm going to post about my claim is 100% teh truth, so it's up to you to believe me, whatever good that will do.

Here is what I crumbed at the beginning of the game:
[collapse=Crumb]

Well, I haven't even gotten there yet, lol. I just looked at the most recent page and saw someone mention that Glyph was a likely lynch for today. I have no opinion of him or anyone else yet.

Alright, read through 10 freaking pages late at night and I'm tired as hell. Like in my first post I want to ask again: who the **** is in what hydra? I read through half the game without even realizing X1 was in a hydra, and it might be because it's 4 AM, but I'm not even sure which hydra he's in. Same with Kuzi.
I have no issue with hydras, but it's a serious problem when people are posting outside of their hydra and I don't know who belongs to which.


Since I'm coming in late, I'll briefly post my thoughts on the players thus far. Not gonna elaborate too much, maybe tomorrow.

Pink Lemonade - Ran/Joey/July umm.. null for me right now :[ mainly because I can't remember anything notable they've said off the top of my head, or in my notes.
GandhiLaserGun - Who/who?
BSL - from what I remember, hasn't done much besides talking to Sqweedle early game. He looks alright though.
Asdioh - never this inactive, must have been busy drinking margaritas
KevinM - so town it hurts
Toasting Dat Walrus - \(o_o)/
Seikend - I think X1's wagon on him early game was just to get things started. He looks alright to me.
Smargaret - I found myself agreeing with her early posts, like the one where she disliked Aposl's "policy lynch" shenanigans. She doesn't look too bad to me overall.
J - scum, because he's J and because of the reasons Glyph said.
JTB - scum
Aposl - probably scum
Sqweedle - who the hell can ever know with him. Vig fodder.
Glyphmoney - his posting style has been annoying, but I'm willing to say town for now. Probably an unpopular thing for me to say right now.




Vote: JTB




ok seriously it's 4:30 and I can't do any more xD
I'll post more tomorrow, before four.

The only things you did that I thought were worth writing down in my notes in my readthrough were vote J, and then join the Seikend wagon. Looking through your posts, it's just fluff fluff fluff.

This might be why Aposl is still scum in my mind, his immediate posts gave me a bad feeling that hasn't gone away because I read the whole day's activity in one sitting.
Wait, so not having hard stances is a way to keep the pressure off yourself and avoid a lynch??

o_O Scary, I just skimmed down part of page 11 (about to read it) and saw that, in regard to JTB, I share the same opinion as Soupa.

Cool, so if I assume that GLG is town then it means my townread on Smarg was wrong. Can you point out where she's parroted, though? I just looked over her and I didn't see much that would be defined as parroting, except maybe in her interactions with Glyph, and parroting there would be hard to avoid since he was pretty much refusing to answer questions. I also still think her posts are pretty legitimate, and agree with her opinion on Aposl.


@GLG: Glyph isn't a ******, thus why I don't have a scumread on him yet, despite his stubborn and annoying play. And you're talking about inactives when the game is less than 24 hours... and you didn't include Aposl in there?

@JTB: why am I scummates with Seik, but not Smarg, Glyph, or BSL? I mentioned all of them as "fairly towny" in my catchup post. Looking forward to your logic.

Heh, I'm glad you caught that as well. He didn't find you scummy until me, Soup, and J already mentioned your lack of content.

Still wondering what you think about me. Looking forward to a response to your post from Seik.

Eh? I said nothing of the sort. I just don't know what to think of you yet.
The question I want to ask is who are you? You're a hydra of someone and someone. GLG is a hydra of X1 and... ? That is what I want to know.

No, but considering you had done nothing else, that was all I had to form an opinion on you.

Ok I guess. Seik didn't stand out more than the others I listed as town, I was just listing the impressions people in my readthrough left on me.

Ran, post as much as you want. I've never played with you before but obviously a bunch of people have something against you... but they can go qqmoar.

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However, those crumbs were to be used entirely as a gambit, in the event that I got a strong read on someone and wanted to bait a reaction out of them. I've seen a couple players *coughKuzandX1* pull off very helpful gambits in the past and I wanted to at least give myself the preemptive opportunity to do the same. If that situation didn't arrive, I wouldn't have bothered claiming watcher/tracker 1-shot whatever.

NOTE THAT THIS CRUMB WAS, AT THE TIME, ENTIRELY A NULL-TELL BECAUSE OF WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY BELOW.


But obviously, that's not my real role. Here's the kicker though: I didn't read my role PM until around 10 pm on April 1. I had confirmed with the moderator that it was ok to not read my role for at least part of D1, and also confirmed that I didn't have a posting restriction. I made THIS POST a bit special to hint at it and signify that was where I had read my role PM.

In that post, I quoted Soup saying

i don't think i've ever played a game where a townie ever questioned his/her own alignment.

and responded

Guess there's a first time for everything.

Which J pointed out as a "joke." It wasn't because, until this point, I had been questioning my own alignment the whole game. I honestly had hoped I was scum, because obviously, legitimate scumhunting due to not knowing your scummates = legitimate distancing from scummates. This is also why statements like JTB saying "Asdioh and Seikend are scummates" made me go ":O" inside because I would have been amazed if he was right, despite even me not knowing.

Unfortunately, I then read my role PM and saw vanilla townie. It was pretty hard to wait that long without reading, and kind of disappointing when I did. I wish I had waited longer, but what's done is done. Anyway, at that point I knew my role wasn't as valuable to mislynch so I became more aggressive.

Also note that the post that J seems to hate most about me was made before I actually read my PM

@Nabe: is this at least a little unique?
@Soupamario: is this at least somewhat a change in playstyle?

Now, since it's plausible that I might die soon and these notes won't hurt anything even if I don't, here are my personal notes that I took reading through the first 10 pages (40 ppp) before I posted, and before I knew my role. Don't expect a lot of reasoning behind most of them because like I said, personal notes.

Spoiler

PAGE 2:
Glyph thinks J is scum, smarg asks Kuz if Aposl is scum. Aposl proposes policy lynching "dumb people" which isn't a very good
idea, Smargaret is suspicious of Aposl for this reason. X1/Kuz buddying? X1 wants to lynch Smar, and possibly J/glyph.
Seikend does not yet think Smar is scum, I agree.

PAGE 3:
Sqweedle and Seikend want to "buddy." Sqweedle apparently thinks Seik/Aposl/JTB are scum. BSL answers Seikend's "how am
I scummy" question even though I also agree with Seikend's stance, that you should wait until the game starts to, you know,
start the game. Seikend notes BSL's response, BSL says Sqweedle's an idiot. Smarg joins in the Sqweedle hate. X1 thinks
Seikend is probably scum, especially if Smar is. X1 joins in the "omg it's Soup " Blahblah Sqweedle talking about mafia
philosophy apparently, and BSL arguing about it. JTB votes J. Sqweedle thinks him vs BSL is TvT for some reason.

PAGE 4:
X1 trying to wagon Seikend. TDW apparently doublevotes Sqweedle and PL. BSL joins Seikend wagon, says Sqweedle is not off
the hook yet. X1 saying Seikend is scum because he talks too long about his lack of a read on Smarg. JTB joins wagon. Holy
crap X1 is in a hydra but I don't know which one. WTF DUDE. ... so lost because of hydras -_- .. anyway, Smargaret comes in and
votes Seikend, thinks Aposl might be scum still. Seikend thinks GLG is town because of his flawed "test" about how Seik knew
Smarg was female. Nah, still null on GLG for me. That would be easy to pull as scum. Seik thinks BSL is towny, Sqweedle is kinda scummy.

PAGE 5:
Aposl looking kind of scummy to me. Smargaret votes aposl, thinks he's buddying GLG. KevinM comes in and votes Seikend.
Says Aposl should be lynched by his own logic. GLG wants to townbuddy Kevin. GLG votes Smargaret saying she's "deflecting"
from something, probably by asking about the heads of his hydra. TDW doesn't like Seik, Smarg, and kind of Aposl. Tells
Kevin that the Joey/Ran or Sqweedle hydras are the "dumbest." Sqweedle posting crap.

PAGE 6:
Glyph votes Smar, wants her or J lynched today, possibly Seikend, doesn't want Aposl lynched. Based off of this one post
I think Glyph is town. He also brings up good points about GLG looking town doesn't necessarily = town. Kind of obvious,
but still true. ..Then he says it's a joke, but still, it's the same thing I thought about Gheb in Dissidia, where Gheb
turned out to be scum. J responds to his post, develops a Glyphscum stance pretty quickly. PL bringing up stuff against Glyph.

PAGE 7:
J still pointing out how Glyph called me and someone else out for not posting yet. I think he was just trying to post
something, not that big a deal. PL votes Glyph for refusing to go into detail about his stuff on J, saying "he already did"
Smarg votes Glyph. PL asks smarg why, J was going to ask the same. Glyph thinks KevinM is town, I have yet to see reasons
to agree. Glyph thinks Kevins "I am town" was real, while J's "I am town" was fake, and has pushed hard on that fact all
this time.

PAGE 8:
KevinM says PLs "Glyph is today's lynch" is scummy and I agree. Glyph has been posting some dumb things, refusing to
cooperate, kind of annoying to read. Kevin says Smarg is parroting, apparently thinks Aposl is scum.

PAGE 9:
Kevin votes BSL for "rolefishing" when I don't think it was that big of a deal. "Not VT" could include mafia roles :3
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12451480&postcount=333 Glyphs post

PAGE 10:
ugh KevinM. Must be the serial killer

Now once again, it is Tuesday, deadline is Friday night. IDC if you're going to lynch me, but you damn well better not do it yet, and you damn well better have some leads to go on once I flip town.

btw for emphasis?

unvote
Vote: J

 

[Seikend]

No problem.

Unvote

Reading now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

unvote

i see, being a PR, i can see why you wanted an aggressive play.

i really like the way you responded too.

 

[Seikend]

Before you read your alignment, how do you think you were playing?

Assuming you had a scum role? Or town role?

 

[Seikend]

@Soup


What. Did you read it, at all?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

also, since Asdioh is out of the scum circle, i think will gun for Nabe/Smarg.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Seik

uhhh..yeah.

he crumbed watcher/tracker

and it said VT.

 

[Seikend]

unvote

i see, being a PR, i can see why you wanted an aggressive play.

i really like the way you responded too.

Explain this post.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

oops. brainfart.

k just VT.

 

[Asdioh]

oops. brainfart.

k just VT.

tl;dr yes, I am a VT. Wanting my claim didn't out a PR, it just outed a crumbed PR/potential gambit. Not that big of a deal.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Seik again

PR's are supposed to be leaders, and be aggresive.

but since i brainfarted..AGAIN (i have terrible reading skills) it doesn't matter because that isn't his real role.

however, i believe his claim, and personally, i think i will go back to my BSL roots even though that is nabe now.