Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[Seikend]

Someone I trust be online please ;_; Got ideas I want to discuss.

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

/appears out of the abyss.

@Seikend, clarify what you mean on the Soup question. He voted Asdioh having the intention of putting him at L-1, why would you expect him to unvote afterwards?

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

Lol, I should probably read the thread b4 making assumptions.

@Soup, I don't but you didn't know you were putting him at L-1 without knowing you even say it was "accidental with a side of purpose."

IE, you know what you were doing. I don't know how I feel about you trying to play that off.

 

[Seikend]

/appears out of the abyss.

@Seikend, clarify what you mean on the Soup question. He voted Asdioh having the intention of putting him at L-1, why would you expect him to unvote afterwards?

His vote was deliberate, but he didn't intend to put him at L-1.

i just said it, i thought it was 3 according to the last mod votecount.

 

[Asdioh]

i just said it, i thought it was 3 according to the last mod votecount.

i re-read however and saw you guys voted, and i knew people would un-vote anyways.

I want people to look hard at Soups recent posts that are like this.

@Asdioh

Clarify for me here, your current reads on JTB, Smarg and J? Be a bit more specific than Scum/Null/Town please, explanation and all.

I'll get to those soon. I'll have to do some rereading to give you the whys, but my thoughts on JTB have been pretty strongly town, I've been feeling towny Smarg most of the game, and then there's J... :|
Again, not gonna explain why just yet, just giving you gut feelings for now.

/appears out of the abyss.

@Seikend, clarify what you mean on the Soup question. He voted Asdioh having the intention of putting him at L-1, why would you expect him to unvote afterwards?

He made it clear he wasn't paying attention, looking at the mod votecount, which was not up to date at all. He also didn't care about putting me at L-1 when I specifically asked not to in case of double voter shenanigans, and now that I think about it, I've seen vote manipulation which could also have sucked badly.
Then he says he knew "people" would unvote >___>

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

yes, it was accidental putting him at L-1 because i looked at the last mod-votecount, but purposeful voting him because i think he is scum.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Then he says he knew "people" would unvote >___>

4 days left, people are gonna unvote.

 

[Seikend]

@Asdioh That J read is kind of important. I don't know how to interpret :|

 

[Seikend]

@Soup You knew people would unvote. But why couldn't you do it yourself?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I voted.

i had to leave, i was tired.

i come back today, and i see people unvoting.

problem solved? problem solved.

 

[Seikend]

@Soup #987 You vote Asdioh
#990 Asdioh asks you to unvote
#991, 992, 995, 996 You post, but don't unvote.

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

@Asdioh, you have plenty of town reads, but only one main scum one. Who are your other picks and why?

@Seik, You are focusing too hard on this specific unvoting incident. What's your read on Soup? Besides this voting incident, which is pretty null, his play reminds me of the same townSoup from Dissidia. That vig/lynch post was obvtownSoup, unfortunately.

 

[Seikend]

@Seik, You are focusing too hard on this specific unvoting incident. What's your read on Soup? Besides this voting incident, which is pretty null, his play just reminds me of the same townSoup from Dissidia.

The voting incident isn't null for me. The vote to L-1 could have been accidental, yes. His reasoning for the vote and not unvoting however, doesn't impress me at all.

Null disregarding the voting incident, scum including it.

 

[Seikend]

@Glyph Thoughts on Smarg's post?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12481771&postcount=1020

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I got extremely tired of reading "J is scum cuz he's scum lol GG guys I da bess cuz I called him first post cuz that is just soooo scummeh."

Then you are not going to like my response to this either.

Take a look at the phrase he uses to express my scum read based off his infamous early post. "J is scum cuz he's scum lol GG guys I da bess cuz I called him first post cuz that is just soooo scummeh."

The first part, "J is scum cuz he's scum lol GG guys I da bess" is very clearly a dig at me to try and give me an air of stupidity. Since his defense of "but I was excited!" didn't convince me (and hopefully you guys) that the first post was scummy, the only other thing he could do was undermine the very point itself.

But that's not my favorite part.

"I called him first post". That is an admission of being scum. He clearly already knows he's scum, otherwise this little piece of the sentence would not have existed. For example, a townJ with the same intentions that ScumJ had in writing this quote would have put something like:

"J is scum cuz he's scum lol GG guys I da bess cuz I didn't like his supah scummeh first post cuz that is just soooo scummeh." (okay I'm not very good at writing like that but hopefully you've got the idea)

The word "called' very strongly insinuates that my ScumJ case is correct, especially when you consider how much time goes into an ISO case (particularly in regards to how little each small quote like that one would get). J scum slipped.

Seriously? -_-

Exceptionally!

townAsdioh = Seikend/You/Nabe
scumAsdioh = You/Nabe

Hahahaha I'm scum no matter what Asdioh flips? How? Explain that.

I am dead serious when I say this J wagon should NOT be losing steam right now, especially when he's getting away with scummy things under the guise of "playstyle". Playing scummy when you're town makes it much harder to catch you when you're scum because you can just say "but I always do that".

Okay 502's ruined the rest of the time I had to write stuff, I'll be addressing more things around this afternoon.

 

[Seikend]

@Smarg I still want you to answer why GLG is town for you. Is all of his recent behaviour entirely null for you? If so, why?

 

[GandhiLaserGun]

I really don't like Nabe AND [someone else, can't remember who] Saying that while J's play matches exactly how they'd imagine as scum, they just somehow have a mysterious gut town read on him. I mean baseless stances what the hell.

Imo the way Asdioh reacted to being put a L-1 was really townie. It looks very much like he's not playing for self-preservation #994 is also a VERY strong town tell there imo. He gets put at L-1 and he's not concerned with dying, or being lynched. He's concerned with scumhunting and pointing out Soup's inconsistencies.

 

[Seikend]

'kay, gonna lay out my hand.

JTB Town.

My initial case on him was based on him fluffing and not scumhunting. He then produces a case on me. Cool. Wrong, but cool. But instead of continuing to scumhunt he then goes onto attempt to clear himself from me. I ask him to drop it and look at the two current wagons but he continues to push that he is town. But the entire reason I was on him to begin with was because he wasn't scumhunting >__>;. I ignore him. Since then, he's actually been scumhunting. My initial case is void.

J Town

A lot of the things I picked up on were not scumtells at all. A read of Rusty Guillotine, a game in which J was town, showed that a lot of those tells were in fact, null. I feel his defence has been strong, and that he is legitimately scumhunting.

Asdioh/Soup

Had a townread on Asdioh before. read the cases, I'm now null-leaning-scum.

I feel his stance on J hasn't been clear at all. Says scummy at times, some things make him doubt his read. When I ask him for his stance on J I get:

and then there's J... :|

:|. Entirely open to interpretation. Considering he has his vote on J, he doesn't seem very confident on Jscum.



On the other hand, there's Soup. His vote to L-1 could have been accidental, I accept this. However, he could have easily unvoted. His reason for why is first:

i re-read however and saw you guys voted, and i knew people would un-vote anyways.

When asked why he couldn't unvote himself he says:

I voted.

i had to leave, i was tired.

i come back today, and i see people unvoting.

problem solved? problem solved.

However, if you look back, you'll see he makes 4 posts after Asdioh asks him to unvote. Yet he doesn't unvote in any of them. Not buying it.


An Asdioh/Soup scumteam is very unlikely. I feel that Asdioh and Soup as both town is unlikely. I'm open to the possibility that they are both town, but for now, I'm seeing Soup scum.


Smargaret

So this is Smarg's big catch up post.

skimming. allergy season is in full force and I'm miserable and hopped up on antihistamines and I'm going to be lurky for a bit so I stay caught up, but I'm not going to post a whole lot. I'm not that happy with either an asdioh or a J lynch - if I had to pick a second choice after aposl it'd be pink lemonade.

really don't like the new skins either, but this is better than that godawful yellow crap.

I still like my vote on aposl. The most recent vote where he tries going after soup is bad - not because what soup did isn't scummy, but because of the way he did it, asking for approval and all.

I know I'm missing lots of questions. hope this helps:

Aposl - scum
TDW - null leaning scum, when's their v/la over again?
Nabe - null leaning scum, mostly for bsl's play, nabe's has been null.
PL - scum, but not likely the play for today so not worth a vote

Unreadable/not contributing:
soupa
kevm
jtb, especially most recent post

null
glyph
seikend
asdioh - he's had some scummy things and some townie things. don't want to lynch him today.

town
j
glg

Town GLG makes no sense. Smarg says it's because of GLG's early play. But since then, GLG has been pretty vocal about being against what are Smarg's strongest stances (Town J and Scum Aposl).

I might be wrong in this case as I haven't bothered to check, but I'm curious about where that J town read comes from. Has there been any explanation for it?

The scum list is pretty much inactives. She hardly comments on the recent wagons (Asdioh as null, Jtb as "unreadable".)

Seems so horribly non-commital to anything, especially with Asdioh at L-1, and J at L-3. I haven't seen much in the way of scumhunting either, just feels like she's focused on Aposl.

@Smarg Explain your read on J, GLG, PL and Asdioh please.

Vote:Smargaret


Everyone else is more or less null to me. Nabe and GLG leaning town. Gonna re-read on those nulls.

 

[smargaret]

very brief response - I think there is one scum in J/PL. PL has done things that I expect of scum - namely, using the fact they're a hydra as an excuse. J has played like I've seen him play as town. Thus, I'd rather lynch PL than J.

You don't have to agree with someone 100% to think they're town. Townies can be wrong sometimes, otherwise we wouldn't ever mislynch. The fact that I disagree with GLG on J's alignment doesn't indicate much about GLG's alignment, since I think his presentation of his case has been town.

I've explained my read on Asdioh. He's done some scummy things - that resulted in the wagon - and he's done some townie things - most notably in his reaction to being at L-1. I don't think he's the right lynch today. I think that the two balance out to null, I'd lean town if you absolutely forced me to go one way or the other.

Soup's vote sucked. He admits to skimming and voting without paying attention to the votecount - Asdioh had even commented that he was at L-2 and uneasy with the history of double voters. I don't buy for a minute that Soup didn't know exactly what he was doing in putting Asdioh at L-1.

Unvote
Vote: Soup

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

very brief response - I think there is one scum in J/PL. PL has done things that I expect of scum - namely, using the fact they're a hydra as an excuse. J has played like I've seen him play as town. Thus, I'd rather lynch PL than J.

You don't have to agree with someone 100% to think they're town. Townies can be wrong sometimes, otherwise we wouldn't ever mislynch. The fact that I disagree with GLG on J's alignment doesn't indicate much about GLG's alignment, since I think his presentation of his case has been town.

I've explained my read on Asdioh. He's done some scummy things - that resulted in the wagon - and he's done some townie things - most notably in his reaction to being at L-1. I don't think he's the right lynch today. I think that the two balance out to null, I'd lean town if you absolutely forced me to go one way or the other.

Soup's vote sucked. He admits to skimming and voting without paying attention to the votecount - Asdioh had even commented that he was at L-2 and uneasy with the history of double voters. I don't buy for a minute that Soup didn't know exactly what he was doing in putting Asdioh at L-1.

Unvote
Vote: Soup

@bolded
Yes, i believe this too.

sure, i skimmed, and yup, i voted asdioh.

i said what i meant, i'm not changing my opnion.

 

[Seikend]

very brief response - I think there is one scum in J/PL. PL has done things that I expect of scum - namely, using the fact they're a hydra as an excuse. J has played like I've seen him play as town. Thus, I'd rather lynch PL than J.

That's the entirety of your case on PL? Explain why one of them must be scum. Why can't they both be scum?

You don't have to agree with someone 100% to think they're town. Townies can be wrong sometimes, otherwise we wouldn't ever mislynch. The fact that I disagree with GLG on J's alignment doesn't indicate much about GLG's alignment, since I think his presentation of his case has been town.

I agree. But this isn't just not agreeing 100% of the time. GLG has been strongly against your two strongest tells, JTown, AposlScum.

Do you feel his case for J scum or Aposl town is strong?

• If so, then why are you so confident on J Town, Aposl Scum? After all, in your list of stances you simply state them as town and scum respectively. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of doubt in your mind. If you feel his cases are strong, then why do you remain so confident on your reads on J and Aposl?
  
• If not, then why are you so confident on GLG Town? After all, in your list of stances you simply state GLG as town. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of doubt in your mind. He's pushing weak cases to try and dissuade you from your stances. Does this seem town to you?

I've explained my read on Asdioh. He's done some scummy things - that resulted in the wagon - and he's done some townie things - most notably in his reaction to being at L-1. I don't think he's the right lynch today. I think that the two balance out to null, I'd lean town if you absolutely forced me to go one way or the other.

You didn't explain your read at all. You said he had done some scummy things, and he's done some townie things. You never went into detail originally.

You haven't explained what you see as scummy yet.
Your townie things looks like a parrot of X1.

Soup's vote sucked. He admits to skimming and voting without paying attention to the votecount - Asdioh had even commented that he was at L-2 and uneasy with the history of double voters. I don't buy for a minute that Soup didn't know exactly what he was doing in putting Asdioh at L-1.

Unvote
Vote: Soup

More parroting.

 

[Asdioh]

'kay, gonna lay out my hand.

And I mine!



Town:
-JTB. My first vote was on him, already explained why. Like you said, I think he's been legitimately scumhunting lately. I liked his vote on me, he did it for the sake of pressuring me and seeing my reaction, and it was clear he wasn't going to tunnel me or anything, and then he voted for Aposl instead when he saw something scummier.

-GLG. I've been null on him for most of the game, besides minor towntells like getting discussion going at the start of the game. However, my more important town read on him came from here: 1057 where he correctly gauges my towny reaction, and dislikes soups action. The thing is, if he were scum, he would know I'm town, but at L-1 or L-2 he would probably try a little harder, find something else to condemn me with and get me mislynched soon. He wouldn't look any worse for it.

-Glyph. Another fairly unpopular opinion to have (at least, earlier on it was, I dunno what general consensus on him right now is) but I like the way he's been playing. There are a couple minor towntells I'm getting from him based on a current ongoing game, so I won't talk about those right now. However, I think his stubborn/annoying attitude earlier was good at getting reactions, as he claimed it was, and really wasn't as scummy as most people thought at the time.


Scum

-Soup. Oh my god ._. I was liking him for a while earlier, but as a whole, he's just been posting crap. Early game, he was having a little scuffle with BSL over trivial things, and then claimed it was TvT for some completely obscure reason. Then, more recently, his posts against me have reeked of scum just looking for an excuse to lynch someone. I really really didn't like that.

-Aposl. He's harder to read now that I know the extent of his noobiness, but overall his scumhunting hasn't been very good. He could be noobscum or noobtown, but I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt, because I also played the noob card very effectively in my first game, in which I was scum.

-Kevin. Coasting along, popping in occasionally but only going with what looks good at the time, giving little reasoning for his thoughts unless you FORCE it out of him. Voting for me after I show a tiny bit of dislike for him, showing strong reactions to very little pressure. I also strongly disliked how everyone seemed to assume he was town, presumably because he is an experienced and respected player, and also because he kept saying "I am town"?

-J. Incredibly hard to get a read on. Last game he was lynched D1 when I was convinced he wasn't scum because I thought it was "too good to be true." Turns out it wasn't, and he really was scum. He went through the effort of posting a case against me, which I thought was a pretty pro-town thing to do, but I've argued against it yet he's still pushing me hard, despite not being able to find much that's super scummy. I'm still fine with his lynch, because at this point it seems like he's trying to continue to tunnel me just to keep pressure off himself.




Anyone I didn't mention in this post is going to require a bit of rereading to get a solid stance, with reasoning, on. I'll try to get to that after I scoop dog poop.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Oh gosh I like Seik's play all of a sudden. Glad to see support for the idea of Smargscum.
1059 is an ugly switch to Soup that coincides with the first person to really lay a vote on Smarg.

X1, check out the exchange that goes on in 1042 > Bottom of 1045 > 1052, i.e. TDW/Asdioh.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Seieknd ISO:
78: Null honestly. Not wanting to start the game without everyone is more personal interest. Points didn't make me think town or scum.
82: Didn't leave a really good feeling. Don't get why he would joke like that instead of just saying no, but whatever.
89: Why does he try to put down BSL's post? It honestly had good intentions, and Seik's responce makes me think scum.
93: Honestly he brings up good points in this post. Townie post.
132: Seems like he's making excuses to look townie. It also seems that he's contradicting himself.
How is he sure that one of them for sure isn't scum like if he puts it as null? Isn't null undecided? Hmmm....
146: He shrugs the "First and Last points are repeats" thing with a "My bad". Why didn't he go into this more? Seems that he just wanted it to stop there.
On the other hand, his defense honestly doesn't leave me thinking he's scum besides the point that he shrugged off above. That's only right now though.
155: Putting GLG as town for what he did was REALLY REALLY scummy. Honestly, how does that clear anyone of anything? A gender test? Town? It's common knowledge that your scum mates are going to talk to you, and if they talk about smarg, they're going to say her or she. This is common knowledge. A scummy or a townie could say this.
Doesn't go into detail about Soup. Scummy move you got there Sir.
Trying to define why the test was flawed honestly didn't make him look townie in any way. More null than scummy, though.
164: "Didn't think it through"... Not gonna try to make his stance look strong at all? Really? I don't understand how he would be going about doing this honestly. This is the second time he's completely given up on a point by the way.
168: The defense he used was really bad though. Especially to the case given to him. What is your stance on Smarg now, Seik?
177: notice that he keeps on linking back to his same bad defense, like that is the only reason he has to give throughout that whole game. Really bad defense.
Is the "My Bad", "Didn't think it through" and "Alright" just a play style thing? Have you played a mafia game before?
@ Everyone: Has anyone played a mafia game with Seik before? Did he react to statements like this in the games you've played with him?
200 posts later
396: WOW. Obviously didn't read at all. Glyph said a few posts before he did that he had NO META on KevinM in any way. Definetly scummy.
His list just seems... to be trying to look town.
Sqweedle as scummy on my wagon - That's a REALLY BAD REASON to put someone down as scum honestly.
BSL as null-leaning-scum - What? So random...
JTB needs a looking at, but he's inactive null - Do you even think that he is scum? You sure didn't list it. You just listed him as inactive, which for the 200 posts within your last posts, you could have been considered the same.
399: His first point is really really not well thought out. Sqweedle definetly gave more reasons than "Scum Vibes", and honestly they were better reasons than the defence that he used for everything early game. Really scummy content right here.
Second point seems to be really summed up in a weird way. I honestly don't remember this early in the game, and I didn't see this argument while looking through Seik's posts, so I don't have much to comment on with this.
He's also wrong here. He also asked questions right after his statement, and gave more information based on those questions. He really had more reason to vote you as scum then you're giving.
Sorry if I'm not using the correct terminology, but this post seems really reaching. If you re-read through the early game, you would notice that Soupa's reasons on Seik really weren't that bad considering early game, and that what everyone was discussing was.. you know... worth discussion. Yeah. What would should I be using instead of Reaching, though? Or is reaching the word I'm looking for? Preferably Kuz/J/X1 answering this if I get any answer at all, because I don't expect KevinM to help anyone out that isn't as good as him.

422: What? Whaaaaat?
>___> @ this post. Seriously? All you said about JTB before was that you thought he needed to be looked at more and that he was null and inactive. Why did you change like this all of a sudden? I may look into JTB's posts later to see if this is reaching as well, leaving this as null-scum right now, since you were really random with your change of pace.
444: Agreeing with why people view you as anti-town honestly doesn't make you look town in any way. This makes me feel that he is trying to get pressure off of him.
I agree with his logic behind all of the pregame stuff, and his example was good, but that's all null because lolpinions.
second responce is null. I agree with his third point personally.
JTB made a great point against him, and his responce was really poor. By putting that aside, he basicly thought Soupa was scummy for voting him. Yeah. That's really townie /sarcasm
You also said that you were almost certain that his case was weak before. Why didn't you say this now like you did earlier, and repleace it with "I didn't know" instead.
I guess this explains 422. Why did you come into the thread and say that all of a sudden? How did you know that JTB was inactive before looking through the thread? If you re-read the thread, how come you didn't find him scummy at all before, and just put him as null and inactive? Stuff like that.
"Oh, okay"... number 4 with "My Bad", "Didn't think it through", and "Alright".
445: He stated that JTB needed to be looked at because he was inactive null, not because of any of the stuff he listed afterwards. Really bad defence.
453: That's exactly what he was implying when he said "By asking I know for certain what the case is". lol.
So you did need to know. Okay.
In two posts out of your two posts with content. Oh okay.
Point made.
Recent to this post, this is all that he had been doing. If he denies this, then he's lying and should be lynched.
456: Number 5. "Okay" added to list with "My Bad" etc.
You haven't been scum hunting. All you've been doing is defending yourself after a vote on JTB. Unless you call that one post scum hunting.
By the way, your case was REALLy weak.
458: Totally avoiding defending himself by talking about JTB instead. Is this what people call Deflecting?
460: ...wait...
Before you were called out with the JTB vote, both of your recent posts with content stated that Soupa was scummy. This is EXACTLY what he was pointing out.
You gave your soup case after he asked for it, in the ONLY recent post you had, which included soupa being scummy. This is what should be expected, and this was a bad example to use, since he pretty much did the EXACT SAME THING.
His voting post didn't call you out as scum. His post afterwards is weird though and you deserve props for pulling that out.
531: This is exactly what everyone was talking about earlier. You're just defending yourself. Not scum hunting at all.
546 & 549: Not scum hunting still. Exactly same as above point. Etc.
557: Honestly this looked townie until I read "But I'll take your word on it". Whaat? Not gonna look anything up? Just going to take your word on it?
Wow. Okay. Yeah.
everything else looked good though. Looking at the post below, I honestly feel the same way J does. You're right, but it seems that you don't have any idea why. Null Post.
560: Also Null post since it seems that you're just trying to sit in the middle.
566: Obviously still sitting in the middle, stating that his opinion shouldn't have any impact.
He still isn't scum hunting. He's still only responding to things said to him.
574: This just really looked really scummy.
That was J's first post on the thoughts of Ran not posting in the Hydra. That's not random, that's expected when he reads through.
You agree with J's thoughts earlier, and now you call them scummy? Do not like. Do not like AT ALL.
And then you let go of the pressure there. Kk. That makes it seem like you're trying to get the town to think you're scum hunting instead of actually doing so. You obviously haven't been pushing on any lynch with your responces to everything in the last few posts you've had.
585/586: ...If Seik flips scum, can we look at this? This REALLY looks like scum-distancing to me. I don't know how you all feel about this, but yeah. If he flips town though, then I don't get why he said this instead of answering the questions. Really scummy post.
593: FINALLY SAYS SOMETHING THAT ISN'T DIRECTED TO HIM. Sweet. Owait it's just a question based on his discussion earlier (which included Seik responding to JTB based on what JTB said). Fuuuuu-
Null post. Obvious to ask questions to your top scum pick.
597: WHAT THE ****. That was so random. You randomly responded to that when it's been there for a REALLY long time? Really? 597 v 534 post number. Really? What.
You didn't explain your vote at all. I don't understand this at all. You should of at least explained this a LITTLE bit. Dear god.
REALLY scummy post.
605: That's his reason for voting J? He doesn't explain the connection between J/JTB at all, he doesn't even explain why J is truly scummy except "J's 'observation'"
608: You didn't understand him at all or something. All he asked (based on how I read it) was to look back and see if you still think he's scummy for the same reasons, since it was 200 posts ago. I don't even get what you're saying. That may just be me though.
That wasn't random at all lol.
619: The OTHER recent exchange going on was people talking about whether or not PL should let Ranmaru post. There are more than 1 recent conversations going on.
IT WAS ALREADY BEING DISCUSSED. The discussion didn't just stop because you and JTB started arguing. X1 was discussing it to, and he was doing it well before J, yet you think he's town?
626: The ****
That was a LEGIT question.
Why didn't you answer his question at ALL? Why did you completely turn the questions around to him?
Why do you not want to talk about him now? You've been talking about him for the whole damn game. Seriously?
629: How did you have him as town if you haven't been paying much attention to him? What? Seems like you only pay attention to people that you happen to think are scummy or happen to see that other people think are scummy.
687: Okay he's responding to things again.
Now I feel like he's trying to avoid adding more scum picks by adding them to the null pile. I wouldn't consider this really scummy though. More null than anything.
696: Townie post views on BSL. Agree with most of them myself.
Until last sentence anyways. "But no need to concern yourself about that yet" what. Why would you say that? Of course he's going to concern himself, you're calling him scummy. The ****?
726: I would think this was townie if any of his posts were right
Ranmaru posting or not posting was a discussion going on that he didn't post about until that post. A few other people already have, so he contributed. That's whatever.
That was the prompt to which he started talking. Your points might as well have been random too if you're trying to say that the quote you pulled earlier was random.
Interesting imo means that it's weird, thus you can't put it as scum or town without thinking about it more. I thought it applied well there.
YOU SHOULD HAVE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. IT WAS 100% LEGIT. GAHHHHHHHH
738: .......what?
743: Number 6 I believe with the "My Bad" group.
751: This is another what post. You seriously aren't making any sense here at all. The J case looks really faulty because of this
760: You're still not explaining anything. -_-. What the ****?
YOU DID RESPONd. You clearly used that as your reason for why you wouldn't answer his questions. Really? Biggest contradiction I've seen in a mafia game yet.
764: Really? REALLY? Number 7 to "My Bad" list.
Why is that possible? Can you explain the connection between them? Seriously? Please? That would be great.
That honestly makes sense.
WHAT THE ****. ANSWER THE QUESTION. Do YOU think your lynch is a realistic lynch to do. YOU. YOOOOOOU. It's SUPPOSED to be YOUR opinion. -____-
768: You're not even posting any part of GLG's case. You're just posting your same old quote over and over and over like you did earlier.
Okay so no connection between them at all except they're both scummy? Kaaaaay
Second line makes sense.
Still, though. no connections between either of them? Not them coming off as buddying? Distancing? anything? ughh. They have to have SOMETHING to be a scum TEAM, right?
So you're saying you added one point and that made your whole case worse than that one point + GLG. Why? Why use someone elses case as a base, when you started off agree'ing with them, and then took one point and made them your top scum pick? It's not early day 1, you actually have to have good stances.
Ugh @ this post.
775: So basicly GLG + a little > your case against JTB. Okay.
Scum-Mates. They know each other's alignment and they know that they have the same wincon. They will have SOME TYPE of connection. They're connected as a scum group. They may distance, or buddy, or bus, or a few other things. They're still connected though.
Instead, you're thinking that they both are scum. Not that they're on a scum team. There is actually a difference in that since scum means indy or mafia.
Now your defense is I disagree and Nah. Oh my god you're so scummy ughhhhh.
You're not even being convincing and you're not giving good reasons. OF COURSE HE'S GOING TO DIRECT STUFF AT YOU.
That's the only way you'll talk anyways.
779: Townie-null post. Honestly agree with the point but it's obvious.
781: This looks like it's REALLY reaching for Soupa. It really does. Doesn't leave any good feelings, either.
786: You reach out because you don't like that he's not voting J.
Everything lines up now.
813: I just realized, that not only was GLG involved with this, but TDW was ALSO agree'ing with the fact before you even started getting involved.
It IS null. That's the point.
They both show disrespect against the person that started it.
I don't see how J ignited discussion to start. Telling someone to just stop will get someone heated as much as saying that they're dumb, since they both imply the same thing. "Don't bother talking about it anymore" is what I feel they both imply.
Your points are legit and this is more townie than your other posts.
816: -_______________________________________________________-
It's because he didn't agree with it at all!
You're joking about that post right? -_-.
823: Problem 1) Basing your biggest scumpick on other people's cases
Why did you not like that question.
I don't understand anything you're saying.
He even said he wanted more and that he didn't know what to call it. REALLY?
I'm not even going to respond to that next sentence because it makes no sense
Oh look next one too.
"Not looking for the quotes" considered you scum at this point
You can say this about your biggest scum pick? Looks like you have some thinking to do! I don't feel that he has a strong read on his scummys if he has to say stuff like "On the other hand". IT seems like he's trying to avoid pressure when a mislynch occurs.
WAIT. YOU DROPPED.... what.... That makes no sense at all...
UGHHHHHHHHH.
"I'm a sucker for AtE" yet you told Soupa not to depend on AtE for votes basicly?
YOU'RE SCUMMY TIMES INFINITY.
824: Good point. Yeah.
And then we never see him ever again

~I did this in notepad, and because of that I do not have quotes or anything. I can pull the quotes I talk about in here if that's what people want, but otherwise, here it is ~

TL;DR version:

Seikend is scummyyyyyyyy. Here is why:

When putting pressure on someone, half the time he just gave up and said something along the lines of "My Bad".

When he was going against JTB, he couldn't say anything else except one thing, and just linked that same quote the whole argument.

After he came back from his 200 post inactivity, it was really obvious that he hadn't read at all, yet he called 3 people scum for REALLY bad reasons such as "Because he was scum on my wagon" lol.

He put GLG as town for trying to trick Seik using a Gender test. What the---. Yeah, that doesn't seem townie to me at all.

When he came back, he JTB as scum, and only responded to things said against him for quite a while. He didn't even scum hunt at all besides JTB and even IGNORED JTB for a while because he "didn't want to get into dumb stuff".

He uses someone elses case + 1 post for his biggest scum read (aka J). When someone asked him about it, he said that he used GLG's case, not giving what was in it or anything, just saying that he used that.

Some of his posts can be seen as reaching (example: 399 I believe).

He ignores the questions asked by his two scum picks through out most of the game (J and JTB), for little to no reason at all. J even asked him a question, asking for his opinion, and he was pretty much just like "Nah...".

He used things that were pretty wrong as his offense against J. Saying that J's post about me came from no where and that he wanted to try to get more discussion going about it. Super wrong.

His defenses went from 1-2 sentence things to "Nah" and "I disagree" without really going into that many details about them at all.

One side of him thought that J could still be town, but J was still his biggest scum pick. That obviously shows something, right? He also starts considering J more townie
randomly, saying that he is a "sucker for AtE" even though that's exactly what he got on Soupa about.

Hmm... yeah. That's my view on Seikend. :D

 

[Seikend]

@PL You said you'd have three ISOs for us. When will they be done?

@Glyph Looking forward to your thoughts on Smarg.

@KevinM I see you picked up on smargscum a long time ago. Feel like hopping on the wagon?

Reread. KevinM town. PL and Aposl null leaning town. Everyone else remains null.

 

[Seikend]

Well that answers my question.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Idk where Ran and July are on theirs. >_>; I'm the only one that's done so far. Although July did say that her's made someone look more town. I'll let her post that, though.

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

Gord chiming in. Sue me if I'm wrong; just got back from school

I've explained my read on Asdioh. He's done some scummy things - that resulted in the wagon - and he's done some townie things - most notably in his reaction to being at L-1. I don't think he's the right lynch today. I think that the two balance out to null, I'd lean town if you absolutely forced me to go one way or the other.

His reaction to being at L-1? Ya mean his 1045? What in that entirety of that post made you read Asdioh town? All I got from that was straight up deflection. I found Soup's voting to be a noob slip, personally.

Soup's vote sucked. He admits to skimming and voting without paying attention to the votecount - Asdioh had even commented that he was at L-2 and uneasy with the history of double voters. I don't buy for a minute that Soup didn't know exactly what he was doing in putting Asdioh at L-1.

Unvote
Vote: Soup

Ugh can you get any scummier I mean argh -______-...

 

[Asdioh]

Reread. KevinM town. PL and Aposl null leaning town. Everyone else remains null.

can you elaborate on these reads with a few sentences for each?

gotta go to work now

 

[Seikend]

can you elaborate on these reads with a few sentences for each?

gotta go to work now

Yup.

Largely in agreement with kevinM's posts. No fluff, pure content. Makes his stances clear. In particular: being against an Aposl lynch, saying Glyph was posting content during J/Glyph, JTB lurking call out, his early call on Smarg.

Not seeing anything convincing to suggest KevinM scum.


I feel like PL are scumhunting when I read through their posts, but honestly not much they've said has stood out to me at all.


Aposl... early play was pretty much non-existant. Obviously I feel a lot of his reasoning is flawed. Things like his response to JTB's vote, his justification for not taking stances earlier. Being a newbie to dgames though, I'm willing to take that as null. He makes up for his lack of stances with #993, commits to a lot of stances on players.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Then, more recently, his posts against me have reeked of scum just looking for an excuse to lynch someone. I really really didn't like that.

Against me

reeked of scum

so, when i'm pressuring or focusing on someone else, i'm town...but when i'm focusing on you and put a vote on you, i'm scum?

just looking for an excuse to lynch someone.

Calling the kettle black again, you reached out for KevinM for a minute, and when that didn't work, you put your vote back on J, someone who is a high lynch suspect.

to me, that is backing down, if you felt strong about KevinM, why did you unvote him and go to an easier vote such as J?

where's your aggressive playstyle you said you were using? all i see is a coward.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

skimming. allergy season is in full force and I'm miserable and hopped up on antihistamines and I'm going to be lurky for a bit so I stay caught up, but I'm not going to post a whole lot. I'm not that happy with either an asdioh or a J lynch - if I had to pick a second choice after aposl it'd be pink lemonade.

Same here, but I'm not going to let it interfere with the game.

really don't like the new skins either, but this is better than that godawful yellow crap.

Why would you say this in an ongoing mafia game.

I still like my vote on aposl. The most recent vote where he tries going after soup is bad - not because what soup did isn't scummy, but because of the way he did it, asking for approval and all.

I disagree, I think that's just him being a newer player and not having a perfect grasp on how forum mafia goes down.

I know I'm missing lots of questions. hope this helps:

"I know people have asked me things but I'm not going to answer them, instead here is some stuff that should help me look town."

Aposl - scum
TDW - null leaning scum, when's their v/la over again?
Nabe - null leaning scum, mostly for bsl's play, nabe's has been null.
PL - scum, but not likely the play for today so not worth a vote

Unreadable/not contributing:
soupa
kevm
jtb, especially most recent post

null
glyph
seikend
asdioh - he's had some scummy things and some townie things. don't want to lynch him today.

town
j
glg

And yet your vote is on Soup. I looked over his posts between this quoted one and the one in which you voted him, and I hardly see how you couldn't have arrived at the conclusion Soup was scum during your first post when you have such a well cited and discussed fact as your reasoning for your vote.

Seik I have been and still am all for a Smar lynch. Just not as much as I'd like a J lynch, and I'd say probably about the same amount as I'd want an Asdioh lynch.

 

[X1-12]

probably wont be able to post tonight :/ sorry guys

 

[Kataefi]

VOTE COUNT!

[5] Asdioh - J / KevinM / Nabe / Toasting Dat Walrus / Soupamario
[3] J - Glyphmoney / GandhiLaserGun / Asdioh
[2] Soupamario - Aposl / Smargaret
[1] Aposl - JTB
[1] Smargaret - Seikend

[0] Pink Lemonade
[0] GandhiLaserGun
[0] Seikend
[0] JTB
[0] Glyphmoney
[0] KevinM
[0] Toasting Dat Walrus
[0] Nabe

[1] Not Voting - Pink Lemonade

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Deadline set for Friday, April 8th, Midnight GMT.

 

[JTB]

Seikend, are you null on PL then?

 

[Seikend]

Seikend, are you null on PL then?

Nope, null leaning town.

On my readthrough I didn't find anything particularly scummy. I feel there's a genuine attempt to scumhunt from PL, so I'm leaning town.

 

[JTB]

PL, what do you think of Seikends stance on you after saying you thought he was scummy? Does something stand out to you?

 

[smargaret]

glyph, you're lucky to get anything coherent out of me at all when I've taken benadryl. I tend to jump up and down on the bed singing lady gaga and babbling about rainbow unicorns. Seriously, I have no need for illegal drugs with what that stuff does to me.

The soup vote was for his vote on Asdioh. He didn't explain his reasoning for that vote until after the post where I had him listed as null but not contributing. His explanation of the vote shifted him to scum. Simple, no?

 

[Pink Lemonade]

JTB, based on what he's saying, his read on us didn't change even though we called him scum.

Our read won't change on him even though he calls us null town.

 

[KevinM]

I would be willing to lynch Smarg at this point too.

Who's interested?