j0s3ph
Smash Apprentice
I was wondering what is the best way to end the f-tilt lock? As I see it, there are four ways: d-smash, u-smash, grab, and u-tilt.
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Best way to end f-tilt lock?
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Voyeur
Smash Journeyman
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=216666
edit: this exists for a reason.
& to save you any more effort for your un-lurking
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=175241
edit: this exists for a reason.
& to save you any more effort for your un-lurking
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=175241
yummynbeefy
Smash Champion
most people u-tilt or u-smash
choknater
Smash Obsessed
I prefer utilt and nair. I hardly go for usmash for some reason.
If at low %, I go for one or two ftilts to grab or dsmash.
If at low %, I go for one or two ftilts to grab or dsmash.
Tristan_win
Not dead.
You should try out the rapid jabs for the low %, just as long they aren't on the ground they can't shield grab between the second and third hit.
Does a great job even at like below 10% of quickly putting someone around 30.
JackieRabbit5
Smash Journeyman
i say all of the above...good to mix things up though i mostly do utilt
Flamingo
Smash Lord
Alright guys... I'm tired, but I'll try to help.
Vs people who can get out of our ftilt lock early--- Zelda (Nayru's Love), Marth (Dolphin Slash), Luigi (Sex Kick Nair)
---I have found the best option is to ftilt once then Dsmash, it works! Utilt is too slow, NL will hit you, Marth will have time to counter, and Luigi's nair will out-prioritize utilt. (More characters might be able to break out of it early, but I'm VERY TIRED and these are the ones that come to mind.)
Vs people who get trapped for a little while and are DI'ing appropriately--- (Lots of these characters) End it with an Utilt, probably the best for damage and for set-ups. like ->needles for instance.
Vs people who are heavy and get trapped fairly easy--- (Fox, wolf, falco, ganon, rob, ike, etc..) you can usually end with a Usmash, you just have to know where they are in relation to Sheik., and if they are locked right above your head, Usmash away!
Hope this helps.
Vs people who can get out of our ftilt lock early--- Zelda (Nayru's Love), Marth (Dolphin Slash), Luigi (Sex Kick Nair)
---I have found the best option is to ftilt once then Dsmash, it works! Utilt is too slow, NL will hit you, Marth will have time to counter, and Luigi's nair will out-prioritize utilt. (More characters might be able to break out of it early, but I'm VERY TIRED and these are the ones that come to mind.)
Vs people who get trapped for a little while and are DI'ing appropriately--- (Lots of these characters) End it with an Utilt, probably the best for damage and for set-ups. like ->needles for instance.
Vs people who are heavy and get trapped fairly easy--- (Fox, wolf, falco, ganon, rob, ike, etc..) you can usually end with a Usmash, you just have to know where they are in relation to Sheik., and if they are locked right above your head, Usmash away!
Hope this helps.
Flamingo
Smash Lord
Idk why you are laughing, your guide doesn't cover the ones who don't get locked... but indeed the thread maker should have checked out your thread out first...
Why do I have to cover situations that are not asked for? Oh yeah, that must be because people expect me to contribute to this forum. Too bad.
Be intuitive.
stealth3654
Smash Lord
I like to end with the Nair because of it's knock back, up smash, or up tilt. If i'm fighting wario, I like to hit with Ftilt twice, then grab release into up smash.
Flamingo
Smash Lord
I end with vanish O.o
choknater
Smash Obsessed
Lmao I'll go out on a limb and start ending my tilt locks with charged needles.
Villi
Smash Lord
Upsmash lolol
rinoH
Smash Lord
Usmash perhaps -_-
Voyeur
Smash Journeyman
heeeeaayy....I actually do that though
demodemo
Smash Ace
i just do whatever is the most fun during friendlies
so i usually end my tilt locks in eject brawl>insert melee
so i usually end my tilt locks in eject brawl>insert melee
Canvasofgrey
Smash Ace
Depends on the percentage I suppose. At the lower end of the percents, I Utilt since it knocks them downward slightly so I can DACUS or do a dash attack. At mid percents, I defintely end with a Usmash for a sky kill or at least get them away from me.
Sometimes though, I throw in a Dsmash instead as people don't really expect to get hit by Shiek's legs when she pulls them upward. XD
Sometimes though, I throw in a Dsmash instead as people don't really expect to get hit by Shiek's legs when she pulls them upward. XD
demodemo
Smash Ace
in all seriousnessness, the best way to end a "lock" (i'd say 3 or more) is utilt. or usmash for kill if you can manage, but its a lot harder than it sounds -___-;. nothing else is really as effective
there is no best way to follow after like one or two ftilts. you have to mix it up. keep in mind your opponent can probably jump out/powershield/dragon punch any of your options, so being unpredictable is key.
also try to expand past ankoku's list too, just experiment around with what works. for example, on bigger characters, it is possible to "continue" the lock after they DI past you by short hopping backwards, fair (c stick), and walk to another ftilt.
however, the safest method, always, when characters reach sheik and are about to DI out, is utilt. (nair works too but its harder to time)
there is no best way to follow after like one or two ftilts. you have to mix it up. keep in mind your opponent can probably jump out/powershield/dragon punch any of your options, so being unpredictable is key.
also try to expand past ankoku's list too, just experiment around with what works. for example, on bigger characters, it is possible to "continue" the lock after they DI past you by short hopping backwards, fair (c stick), and walk to another ftilt.
however, the safest method, always, when characters reach sheik and are about to DI out, is utilt. (nair works too but its harder to time)
Corjha
Smash Rookie
This is the most insightful commentary on Sheik I've seen on these boards.
SinkingHigher
Smash Lord
From what I hear, u-tilt unless you've decayed f-tilt enough and spaced yourself well enough to guarantee a U-smash tipper. If you're at the side of the stage though, a simple U-smash regular hit will do, at high percentages.
At low/mid percentages, (on somewhat larger characters), when they're about to escape, you can use f-air and space another f-tilt lock. This can get you to the side of the stage by the time you're at a decent enough % to KO with non-tipper, or at least f-air again so you can chainguard.
At low/mid percentages, (on somewhat larger characters), when they're about to escape, you can use f-air and space another f-tilt lock. This can get you to the side of the stage by the time you're at a decent enough % to KO with non-tipper, or at least f-air again so you can chainguard.
Grab, dtilt, Dsmash, utilt, Uair, Nair, Fair, Usmash. Be intuitive enough to know which one is the "correct" one to use.
Villi
Smash Lord
youtube tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RduZfKmn0oo
Voyeur
Smash Journeyman
when you perform the Ftilt lock, is Sheik suppose to move ever so slightly forward?
Or do you time the Ftilts so that you literally are staying in that one spot
Because I've been finding that people have been getting out of my Locks really quickly with forward DI'ing to me or even being able to DI down and tech or shine.
And some one brought up the point I'm moving forward while I'm doing the ftilts, which is normally how I thought it was suppose to look but I guess not?
Or do you time the Ftilts so that you literally are staying in that one spot
Because I've been finding that people have been getting out of my Locks really quickly with forward DI'ing to me or even being able to DI down and tech or shine.
And some one brought up the point I'm moving forward while I'm doing the ftilts, which is normally how I thought it was suppose to look but I guess not?
Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
You're holding forward to do the F Tilt and you aren't using F Tilt immediately after the cooldown has ended and you're able to do another so there are short intervals after them where you are walking forward. The move itself isn't moving you, it's just you walking between them.
TKD+ITA+Mar=
Smash Ace
I end my ftilt lock with a ftilt lock.
Voyeur
Smash Journeyman
well I got it down 2 ways then so far, the one where Blistering said.
Where yeah, on the joystick I'm holding it continuously in the tilt position and timing my A's to get the lock down in a smooth rapid motion where I slightly move forward in between each sweep.
& The other that I've been working on is where I'm staying in 1 spot and timing each Ftilt separate of the next with out having to keep holding the Tilt in on the joystick. I have to keep letting go and keep up.
I think the latter helps control DI ...idk I gotta see which one is right
Where yeah, on the joystick I'm holding it continuously in the tilt position and timing my A's to get the lock down in a smooth rapid motion where I slightly move forward in between each sweep.
& The other that I've been working on is where I'm staying in 1 spot and timing each Ftilt separate of the next with out having to keep holding the Tilt in on the joystick. I have to keep letting go and keep up.
I think the latter helps control DI ...idk I gotta see which one is right
slickmasterizzy
Smash Apprentice
this is a pointless question. just try shieks different moves out of it and find whatever is comfortable for you.
sure certain moves might be better situational but all in all you might as well get comfortable with all your options then just do whatever feels good for you.
sure certain moves might be better situational but all in all you might as well get comfortable with all your options then just do whatever feels good for you.
Utilt does not consistently double hit unless the target is directly above you. It also does not truly combo without the same positioning, resulting in lovely things like Marth Up+B'ing you in between the hits of utilt if you use it haphazardly. Just advance hop - nair them.
legion598
Smash Ace
I Nair or Fair and punish air dodges and then go on a **** fest. shiek is amazing at dealing with air dodges and if u ever see their shield pop up while ur ****** them just grab that ****.