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Correct--the raw number is not itself a measure of studio friendship or anything of the sort.
Indeed. Can't wait for "Smash Wars: Speculation Strikes Back." to become the blockbuster of the year.
*Begins watching*
Wh-what...? M-Minecraft? M-m-multiple times? This shouldn't sound so weird to me...
Yes. If Microsoft is actually contributing Minecraft content, you can pretty much bet your ass they are contributing a character. Microsoft is not the kind of company that you would contact just to throw in some trophies, or even a stage or an assist. So if Vergeben is right, then there are huge implications, even if it doesn't necessarily mean Banjo.
Thinkaman
‘s logic is sound though and I agree with him within the context to this box art. Outside of that though, I’m not sure as there are potential it’s and buts to be had. I’m not quite sold on it but if it’s all true, I think Thinkaman hit in right on the head.No it wouldn’t. People would just learn accept it. Don’t be so over-dramatic.
As said before, it's obviously a digital mockup either way, that doesn't affect OP's logic. The theory is that this is actually an edited version of the final render, which is supported by the very deliberate organization of the characters (in alternating sets of nine) and the fact that it seems to take into account a character that has not even been revealed yet (Ken). So while it's possible that it's not the final render, it's looking likely.
Hype is supposed to build up, not falter at the finish line.
Wouldn't be the first time this happened with Smash... or the second or third.
Certainly hype is important and characters being hype but that doesn’t necessarily mean that character reveals have to be the most hype inducing near the end. Was Olimar? Was Shulk? Many fighting games don’t end in a high note near the end of the pre-launch period. Joker was the last character revealed for Injustice 2 but it was Hellboy and TMNT that brought the most hype in the DLC. Android 21 was for Dragon Ball FighterZ before DLC. I think FANG was the last character for SFV before the updates.
(just the ones Sakurai has publicly acknowledged)
This. Ryu and Ken are the most iconic duo in gaming aside from Mario and Luigi and Sonic and Tails. Aside from this, Ken is pretty much the patron saint of clone characters in fighting games. Even without Verg, Ken would have been incredibly likely for these reasons alone.
inb4 the actual Echo is Medusa, who I would happily take over a generic martial artist.
I'd honestly prefer this but Ken's on a whole different level and most definitely at the front of the line when it comes to Echo priority. Not really consequential in the grand scheme of things but, if this wound up being true, the last newcomer would be #69 and it really makes me wonder if Nintendo would deliberately set themselves up like that.
On the "list of things that concern a Japanese developers deciding a fighting game roster", I'm pretty sure English sexual memes are about as low on the list as possible.
Yes, but it's STILL ON THE LIST!
It seems to be a conscious choice though to have a set of 9 for each grouping
Repeat after me: Never think any character is a shoo-in
If what's on the other side isn't the other half of the characters. Then either for some reason the characters we do see are all that's left are for some reason the only characters we see which would be kinda odd or only some of the characters on the other side. And yeah maybe a couple more could be behind or even on the bottom of the box. But I don't know, I think the symmetry is purposeful here.
There will probably be a method Smash Down has for when there's a number not divisibly by 2, 3, and 4 especially when you consider you might be able to use the mode even if you haven't unlocked all the characters yet.
There's more then just the characters to talk about. I'm thinking if this theory is true. Ken and Incineroar (Or whoever else it ends up being. But Ken seems the absolute certainty) are revealed in an October Smash direct and it will be more like the E3 direct which only had one echo fighter and one newcomer reveal.
In Smash 4, Mii Fighters didn't appear on the CSS if you hadn't made any-- this was used back in the day to try and discredit the ESRB leak. It's very likely just a symptom of an in-development build; it's not like there was a perfectly even amount of newcomers shown on the CSS while demoing it, after all.
I don't think DLC is really as inevitable as we think.
That doesn't mean he should or will be in. As far as I know, he has little support which goes against the general theme. In the end, you can't know, so don't act like he's a sure thing (as the title of this very thread does). You also seem pretty sure about it being Pokemon for the other one. and even seem to go as far as to give a specific pokemon just not in the title. I can believe we're only getting two more characters in the base game, but the Ken part is what really gets me. Could be worse (could be Jeane or Zack), but why? And why are you so confident in the specifics?
Noo
Please look at the side of the box. People have been discussing it on twitter, but missing the significance of the ordering. Here, forgive my color-coding:
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I took the liberty of adding Isabelle. Do you see the pattern? Here, let me help:
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The fighters are in groups of 9, presented exactly the same as on the website and all other promotional materials. (Echoes in order, Miis and PT as single entries) The promotional images used on this box were clearly taken from a source location in which they were in sets/rows of 9.
This means we know what the other 4 sets of 9 looks like:
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It's all very clean and works perfectly. With two big implications.
There is no room for an echo in any of the first 3 sets of 9. No Dixie, no Shadow, no whatever. It would throw everything off, and make the side of the box we can see look different.
But there is exactly one unaccounted for space in the final set of 9. Somewhere, there is an echo between Palutena and Cloud.
This is the other half of the box:
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And of course, there is only room for one blank space after Isabelle, so that leaves one new character--possibly the Gen 7 Pokemon Vergeben alluded to.
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It's always possible that this is just a box, and the product designers chose to only show off 72 character slots arbitrarily.
But realistically, it looks like this is our roster.
Pft no way. From the future I came back from, the last red character was Sol Badguy.
