Bad Idea Mafia 4! Game Over, Scum Wins!

[Clownbot]

Eh .

 

[July]

July, why would you reconsider your town read on Gheb if Vocal flipped scum?

I know he is okay with Vocal dying, but he seemed more hesitant on him shooting, and I just don't know what that means. Really it's only important if Vocal flips scum and I die toNight, if I'm still around toMorrow I'll look into it myself, not necessarily change my stance. He's been playing really town so I feel comfortable with my read right now, just dont want to get too comfortable like I did in Celeb mafia.

 

[Clownbot]

I can partly see your reasoning, I guess. Earlier I actually had the idea that Gheb should be looked into more upon a townVocal flip due to his suggestion of either me or him shooting the other. If it turns out that we're both town we should definitely keep on our toes with him, could be scum directing miskills.

 

[ranmaru]

I did see that Gheb has been giving us way too many options. "Sure you can shoot, shoot who you want" A good point, we should stand up for who we want to shoot, but he is encouraging us a little too much. He tells me he would only trust himself to shoot, but why would he be willing to tell others to shoot who they think might be scum?

Gheb also says that the Kuz vs Swords conflict was a very good one. It made me doubt Swords because of how weak he was with following up on his questions to Kuz. Yet I would think Scum would want to deflect attention to Swords vs Kuz.

Gheb, what is your read on Swords?

Btw I am re-reading Gheb to re-evaluate my read.

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Mod Prod on Seph please

 

[ranmaru]

EBWOP: "He tells me he would only trust himself to shoot, but why would he be willing to tell others to shoot who they think might be scum, if he only trusted himself?"

 

[Luxor]

Obviously Gheb's fine with them shooting as long as they shoot whoever he would shoot; it's only logical. Plus he clears the shooter that way.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I know he is okay with Vocal dying, but he seemed more hesitant on him shooting, and I just don't know what that means.

Huh? Vocal shooting or being shot has been perfectly fine with me all Day. Pretty sure I was one of the first to even mention him as a suspect toDay. I have no idea where you're coming from.

Gheb also says that the Kuz vs Swords conflict was a very good one.

Wow sweeping, ENTIRELY FALSE statements like this make me wanna hit my head into a wall. If you make such an outrageous claim with no attempt to back it up I'm simply going to ignore you in the future.

Gheb, what is your read on Sword

Really ******** tunneling @ kuz makes me think dumb or opportunistic scum. Not a main suspect but he should be the one to shoot on one of the next Days imo.

I did see that Gheb has been giving us way too many options. "Sure you can shoot, shoot who you want" A good point, we should stand up for who we want to shoot, but he is encouraging us a little too much. He tells me he would only trust himself to shoot, but why would he be willing to tell others to shoot who they think might be scum?

EBWOP: "He tells me he would only trust himself to shoot, but why would he be willing to tell others to shoot who they think might be scum, if he only trusted himself?"

Obviously Gheb's fine with them shooting as long as they shoot whoever he would shoot; it's only logical. Plus he clears the shooter that way.

Seriously Ran, that's not hard to understand and you should SERIOUSLY be able to figure out stuff like this yourself. Questioning things is fine but just asking to get the whole game and every possible train of thought spoonfed to you makes you a huge distraction. I'm saying that if a player has the ability to shoot then he shouldn't make himself a tool or hide behind the opinion of the town and shoot whom he considers scum. You on the other hand, make it look like I've implied that any player can be shot, including town reads. Obviously I'm not telling players to do that but this is so blatantly obvious that it HURTS me to even have to mention it to you. Use a little common sense, please.

 

[X1-12]

SummonerAU receives a prod

Mod Prod on Seph please

Sephiroths Masamune will be prodded if he does not post by 6PM this evening (GMT)

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@mod how many prods are the mentioned players away from a modkill?

Modkill would be really stupid because it prevents us from "clearing" players via shooting. If somebody is close to be modkilled we might as well just shoot that player. Agreed?

 

[X1-12]

@mod how many prods are the mentioned players away from a modkill?

Unless stated otherwise, players should assume that a modkill is not imminent

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Gheb, if tunneling someone who is mostly an unpopular choice for being shoot toDay is what it means to be "opportunistic," then the meaning of opportunistic has changed vastly from my understanding.

Ran, how would you like shooting toDay?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@mod how many prods are the mentioned players away from a modkill?

Modkill would be really stupid because it prevents us from "clearing" players via shooting. If somebody is close to be modkilled we might as well just shoot that player. Agreed?

Btw definitely agree that a player should be shoot if they are about to be modkilled.

 

[July]

I can partly see your reasoning, I guess. Earlier I actually had the idea that Gheb should be looked into more upon a townVocal flip due to his suggestion of either me or him shooting the other. If it turns out that we're both town we should definitely keep on our toes with him, could be scum directing miskills.

It's a deal if we are both town and live to the point, I threw that idea out there now in case I get nk'ed and town gets stuck, we still have many scummies to go before I would start seriously considering Gheb.

Huh? Vocal shooting or being shot has been perfectly fine with me all Day. Pretty sure I was one of the first to even mention him as a suspect toDay. I have no idea where you're coming from.

I thought you wanted Seph to shoot toDay more than Vocal at first, but I re-read that and I think you were saying you would prefer Seph as a shooter only if Clown was the target, but then you were looking into Clown more as a scum suspect so I got confused between how you wanted Seph/Vocal/Clown to work out.

Also, I agree that someone who is about to be modkilled should be shot.

 

[July]

I will be v/la because I'm visiting family this weekend. I should be able to post by tommorow. Thank you.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb, if tunneling someone who is mostly an unpopular choice for being shoot toDay is what it means to be "opportunistic," then the meaning of opportunistic has changed vastly from my understanding.

Then I'm curious on what your understanding of opportunistic is because you just described your own play as a textbook example of opportunism.

I thought you wanted Seph to shoot toDay more than Vocal at first, but I re-read that and I think you were saying you would prefer Seph as a shooter only if Clown was the target, but then you were looking into Clown more as a scum suspect so I got confused between how you wanted Seph/Vocal/Clown to work out.

It's a bit mucky because of Vocal vs Clown being a major part of toDay's focus while Seph is being inactive. Really hard to evaluate how scummy each of the players actually is. Essentially I'm down for any of these three people shooting / being shot.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm at a friend's house today and I'm just ****ing around between rounds. I'm behind because, TBQH, I've been focusing on Dissidia. I'll be around after the weekend. Maybe Sunday. Somebody in Superheroes could be nice and copypasta for me.

 

[SummonerAU]

Didn't think I could get a prod during v/la :o

Ranmaru, why aren't you answering the things I asked about Delvro way back? Stop ignoring it, I want answers.

I'm okay with Vocal shooting Ranmaru/Luxor/Clownbot. This is subject to change pending Ran's next post. I didn't like July before he was cleared.

Luxor, Clownbot, kuz and Vocal: How do you feel about Ran making it to endgame?

@X1, I'm probably going to get busier and busier with uni, if you want a more active playslot, feel free to replace me out.

 

[ranmaru]

I did answer it. When you asked me it long ago. Find it.

 

[ranmaru]

Btw, since you aren't a pr (both claimed)

Why didn't you want Zen to speculate on your role?

 

[-Vocal-]

Didn't think I could get a prod during v/la :o

Ranmaru, why aren't you answering the things I asked about Delvro way back? Stop ignoring it, I want answers.

I'm okay with Vocal shooting Ranmaru/Luxor/Clownbot. This is subject to change pending Ran's next post. I didn't like July before he was cleared.

Luxor, Clownbot, kuz and Vocal: How do you feel about Ran making it to endgame?

@X1, I'm probably going to get busier and busier with uni, if you want a more active playslot, feel free to replace me out.

Wouldn't answering this question give mafia a better idea of who town wants to keep around and thus who they should target? If I say that I want him in endgame then they will likely try to pick him off before then; if I say the opposite then they'll probably leave him for that very purpose.

 

[X1-12]

Didn't think I could get a prod during v/la :o

Sorry, I missed you posting V/LA

Sephiroths Masamune gets a prod

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Wouldn't answering this question give mafia a better idea of who town wants to keep around and thus who they should target? If I say that I want him in endgame then they will likely try to pick him off before then; if I say the opposite then they'll probably leave him for that very purpose.

It also looks like a weak justification to get rid of somebody whom he doesn't have an explicitly stated scum read on under the pretext of doing town a "favor" with it.

FoS Summoner

 

[SummonerAU]

I didn't see it when I read everything Ran, link it (please don't be talking about your #723, because if it is, it isn't good enough) Also, I did mention why I did it when I replied to Zen ("Idea was to keep it vauge until someone shot to help out PRs" or something along those lines iirc). I know I went through the thread Thursday night looking for a reply that told me what scum tells you picked up from Delvro's post that made you think he was scum and I didn't find anything.

I just wanted to make Ran think I'm going to shoot him by asking that question so he would say something about my post. Making it so that these 4 got the question and giving them the potential to mess up and say something scummy about endgame was an attempt to get 2 things from the question. I didn't consider how the question would look though :/

Gheb, before you replaced, Zen made a longish post about how I was either scum that couldn't shoot or dumb town. Your last post says that I'm mafia godfather if I'm scum. Do you disagree with Zen's reasoning in that post?

 

[Clownbot]

Then I'm curious on what your understanding of opportunistic is because you just described your own play as a textbook example of opportunism.

¿Qué ?

 

[Clownbot]

Forgot you could only post in English.

Will that really count against me though?

 

[X1-12]

Forgot you could only post in English.

Will that really count against me though?

Nope

 

[Luxor]

Only scum posts in code!

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Which post, Summoner? Pretty sure it's garbage anyway but I might as well post my thoughts about it because of the ridiculous stalling going on atm.

 

[Clownbot]

Another thing you might as well do is explain how Sword is being oppurtunistic.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Already did.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Gheb, my definition of someone being opportunistic is that of a person who jumps on anyone for any reason they can find, whether it be a good reason or not. It's usually synonymous with bandwagoning, but I suppose it doesn't necessarily have to be.

In any case, how is my interactions with Kuz opportunistic? You said my tunneling of Kuz = opportunistic. So my question to you (and I think this is what Clown was getting at himself) is this: how does tunneling = opportunistic?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You going after the guy who's already a main suspect in the eyes of many. That alone is opportunistic enough, especially since you're not willing to convince town of any other ideas.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Gheb, who do you think was the first one to go after Kuz?

Also, it's debatable about how many people are going after him. Kuz is the main suspect in the eyes of many you say? I'm pretty sure that Ran and I are the only people who have Kuz as a main suspect. Maybe Seph, but we don't know if that still holds true because he hasn't posted in a millennium. Others suspect Kuz but don't have him as their main suspect.

Even so, the action of going after someone who others are going after is not in itself opportunitic like you make it out to be.

I'm not sure what you mean by this part and how it fits into it:

especially since you're not willing to convince town of any other ideas.

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Ran, you didn't answer my question. How would you feel about shooting toDay?

 

[ranmaru]

I don't mind. I'd rather Vocal shoot though.

 

[BSL]

back from V/LA

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Skimming hard, but Sworddancer's attack on Kuz doesn't read S v S to me.

Still want Seph or Ran shot.

 

[BSL]

@BSL: Please give an actual scum list. If BSL is the only person on your scum list, give reason why he is scum, not annoying. Bonus points for including a town and null list as well.

Ranmaru - should totally die regardless, but probably town
Sephiroths Masamune - looking pretty dang scummy with his avoiding of the game. has he been posting elsewhere?
SummonerAU - possible scum based on his reaction to zen
-Vocal- - same reasons as before

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Skimmed above quote. Ewwwwwwww, searching for town lists.

 

[Clownbot]

Skimming hard, but Sworddancer's attack on Kuz doesn't read S v S to me.

It's probably not. Did someone say it was?

 

[ranmaru]

Wow sweeping, ENTIRELY FALSE statements like this make me wanna hit my head into a wall. If you make such an outrageous claim with no attempt to back it up I'm simply going to ignore you in the future.

How was my statement false? It relates to this. If I was wrong, please explain how I misunderstood you here.

Stuff like the recent Sword / kuz exchange is exactly the kind of talk mafia benefits the most from. While you bash each other's heads with dumb threads they just get their chance to sneak out of the spotlight.

And if anybody seriously shoots kuz it has to be at least a scummy player aka Seph, Vocal or Clown. But I'd like any of them dead way before kuz.

Gheb also says that the Kuz vs Swords conflict was a very good one.