Bad Idea Mafia 4! Game Over, Scum Wins!

[#HBC | Ryker]

Why is Luxor town?

 

[ranmaru]

I can answer that, and I won't.

 

[BSL]

I read most, yes. If you are cop WHY would you purposely do that, only to get yourself outed, when we needed you?

i didnt expect to be almost killed toDay.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I can answer that, and I won't.

You have answered why you think everyone else is town/scum, but you didn't expand on your scum buddy. You only gave him a free pass. You then go so far as to say he shouldn't have to appease public opinion. This contradicts your Gova scum read.

 

[ranmaru]

Ok. Now, who do you think is scum that is targetting you (Or was) Since you are the cop? Why?

 

[ranmaru]

You have answered why you think everyone else is town/scum, but you didn't expand on your scum buddy. You only gave him a free pass. You then go so far as to say he shouldn't have to appease public opinion. This contradicts your Gova scum read.

I said Gova null buddy. I'm not going to answer you if you don't answer me.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

How does that help anything, Ran?

 

[ranmaru]

You tell me, you should know.

I can. And I won't. Note how I don't make excuses when I dodge questions.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

It doesn't. I'm being unhelpful intentionally. What could my motivation be?

 

[ranmaru]

I don't know. It's wifom.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

So, you don't know what I'm getting out of it, yet you're doing it yourself. Am I correct?

 

[ranmaru]

I'm doing it to you because you are being unhelpful when I ask a question. I find it unfair that I make an effort and you don't.

 

[BSL]

V/LA for WHOBO.

maybe.

itll be more on the LA side

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I apologize to everyone in the thread. I forgot that there are way too many people here that aren't going to pick up on subtlety.

How about this:

I am doing my damnedest to give you no read on me because I don't want to be NKilled. Take that at face value or leave it.

Ranmaru, I am scum hunting. Your scum read is based on me being an ******* and me being unreadable. Why does that make me worse than your null reads. A full list is required.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You, Ran/Luxor, have no reason to ignore questions as, let's be real, no scum team is going to NKill you tonight.

 

[ranmaru]

I don't understand how those scenarios are scum hunting tho. Are they?

Also, so you want to be shot, correct? That is what I feel you are trying to do, to get shot.

 

[ranmaru]

Ah, I have said I am upfront. That does not matter to me. I'm not about survival.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ranmaru, you're dense.

 

[Clownbot]

@Clownbot

So, you think I'm town because I have no reasoning? You're not really explaining yourself very well and you don't seem as convinced as I previously would have thought.

Nope. I think you have reasoning because I have a town read on you. Assuming you had reasoning came after the fact. If you're town there's no good reason to oppose voting without, well, reason.

What do you mean I don't seem as convinced? I don't recall expressing much doubt about my read on you.

Ryker, I think I'm getting nauseated by how overwhelmingly arrogant and self-important you're being.

 

[July]

Ryker scum. He has argued he could lead the town, but has he done much in scumhunting? All he said was that Swords and Luxor should go. Have they done anything scummy? No. He is trying to shut down Zen's options. He even asks questions which can distract town from scumhunting. (I told Zen I didn't want him asking the question either)



I don't know why he would ask that. Basically, is this question scumhunting? No. How would it expose intent?

First, I don't think there is anything wrong with hypothetical questions, it forces people to think things through, and if they are scum think in a way that is contrary to their own nature. Also, after reading this stance on Ryker, I jumped down to your stances on Luxor and Swords.

Swords, null. OMGUS'd, but he didn't commit a scummy act. Yet I don't know why he had mixed up July's name with Smarg here. In RG he was scum with Smarg... But wait, never mind that. Smarg ain't here. He still null.

Luxor is town. He shouldn't have to appease the crowd though. Cmon man, don't agree so easily. Don't give scum room to breathe.

It seems like you really tailored these reads around Ryker accusing people who you think haven't really committed a scummy act. You start thinking of Swords, but write off the things you find immediately as not scummy, like the OMGUS. Even if you feel he is null, you can point out he has done some scummy things. There must be some reason he's just null and not town, right?

And why is Luxor town? You admit that he looked to appease the crowd, but that's not a scummy act to you? And there is just...no reasoning here, I would really like to understand how you came to this decision other than because Ryker is attacking him and Ryker is only attacking people who are not scummy.

Seph is obv town. First time I have seen that from him on the boards. Although I'd like to see more posts from him. Where he at?

Just wondering you say that is the first time you see Seph play obvtown, is that from past games with him?

Delvro is scum. Plus, I noticed he coasted as scum in Celeb, so we obv can't let him do that here. Let's force him to talk. I want his reads.

Clown, Zen, you guys were in Celeb with Delvro (as was I), do you agree he is playing scummy here as well?

I was gonna use that too but I kinda wanta everyone to read my response from here:

Town bomb should claim when and only when at L-1 to prevent casualties. Although Town Bomb should try to prevent from having to claim.

Town Bomb should try to draw a NK so that Scum can't use it later to kill townies. (GF can shoot Town Bomb and stuff happens [I briefly read the Quicktopic in the Evidence drawer (BIM3) and read that the town bomb could be used against town strategically]}

Alright, two scenarios. I claim bomb and everyone else claims not bomb. I'm confirmed town. How would that affect your reads?

Okay, so your stance is that Town Bomb shouldn't claim until at L-1. I'm going to chance Ryker's scenario a bit. Say instead I claimed town bomb, right now, and no one counter-claimed. What problems do you see this causing for us that puts you against it? Do you still think it's not worth it if someone is then called on to shoot and is unable to do so, and can't claim bomb or cop?

Why is Luxor town?

I can answer that, and I won't.

I don't understand this, unless it's just a jab at Ryker, which isn't going to help because it isn't going to change his play style and is just going to result in you withholding info from us. You provided an example for why you think Kuz is scum, why withhold a reason for why Luxor is town? All its going to do is increase the chance we make Luxor shooter/shootee, which isn't what you should want if you really believe Luxor is town.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Hey Kuz, be a bro for me this phase and get BSL shot?

Found it.

And sure thing buddy I don't see anythin-- hey, wait a minute!

@Ranmaru, please intelligently question the intent behind Ryker's statement immediately.

 

[Luxor]

ITT: Ryker continues to make me unhappy.

Anyone who's not taking the bomb into account in this game really shouldn't be playing, but I think everyone's considered it.

@July's point on Ran: I please people sometimes because I play pragmatically to get at least a measure of cooperation going. Clearly that miserably failed anyway.

Now to shower and go to school where I have hours and hours of free scumhunting time!

 

[July]

@July's point on Ran: I please people sometimes because I play pragmatically to get at least a measure of cooperation going. Clearly that miserably failed anyway.

Even if this is true and he is just pleased by how you play pragmatically, then I still want to hear it from him. I can't be sure of what reason he has for considering you town if he doesn't say so himself.

 

[SummonerAU]

Delvro is scum. Plus, I noticed he coasted as scum in Celeb, so we obv can't let him do that here. Let's force him to talk. I want his reads.

I do not like this at all.

Please add some reasoning as to why Delvro is scum and what do you think I don't like about that?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Found it.

And sure thing buddy I don't see anythin-- hey, wait a minute!

@Ranmaru, please intelligently question the intent behind Ryker's statement immediately.

The situation changed a bit, lol. Tbqh, I had forgotten what I'd asked you.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

ITT: Ryker continues to make me unhappy.

Anyone who's not taking the bomb into account in this game really shouldn't be playing, but I think everyone's considered it.

@July's point on Ran: I please people sometimes because I play pragmatically to get at least a measure of cooperation going. Clearly that miserably failed anyway.

Now to shower and go to school where I have hours and hours of free scumhunting time!

Lux defending his scum buddy?

 

[Luxor]

Lux defending his scum buddy?

Ran says I'm town.
July says something scummy I did.
I explain scummy deed.

Self-defence != defending Ran.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@July's point on Ran

Defending your scum buddy. Don't answer if not directed at you.

 

[Luxor]

Did you not see what I just posted? I was responding to July's comment about me, which happened to be in a response to Ran. Me, July. No Ran.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

So hard to get solid reads when people are dense. Not gonna overthink it this time. Lux/Ran/Swords

Top 3 scum picks.

 

[ranmaru]

@July:

I don't believe we need scenarios asking people what they'd think if they were scum. That would be wifom.

Yes, Swords is null to me. I'm not fully done with the reads. Yet early on I didn't see anything scummy. Is he playing differently than in RG?

Luxor is town because he is usually wishywashy and was town in FE. I thought he was scum there.

Does it seem like I was withholding info?

Also, did you ask Ryker a question? Didn't see him answer it.

Yes, I played as scum with Seph in Newb 10. Basically, I like his early posts. But I do want more content from him.

What do you think? I answered your question.

Found it.

And sure thing buddy I don't see anythin-- hey, wait a minute!

@Ranmaru, please intelligently question the intent behind Ryker's statement immediately.

Why just that statement? I question him entirely already. I even think he is bluffing about the nk thing.

I do not like this at all.

Please add some reasoning as to why Delvro is scum and what do you think I don't like about that?

That's what I have so far. I mean, only 5 posts from him, really? You'll get more once I finish my read.

Also I do not know what you think.

What do you think about my other reads? (And this one)

Lux defending his scum buddy?

Lux isn't scum. Drop it. Try someone else.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I don't believe we need scenarios asking people what they'd think if they were scum. That would be wifom.

Really? So WIFOM is a bad thing.

Yes, Swords is null to me. I'm not fully done with the reads. Yet early on I didn't see anything scummy. Is he playing differently than in RG?

Luxor is town because he is usually wishywashy and was town in FE. I thought he was scum there.

But that's odd, you use it immediately in the next two posts. Meta is all WIFOM.

You contradict yourself constantly.

Summoner or Swords shoots Luxor.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Lux isn't scum. Drop it. Try someone else.

Who's going to make me? I mean, your faulty arguments certainly aren't going to.

 

[ranmaru]

How is meta wifom?

 

[ranmaru]

Ah, could you answer my question in #671?

Would like this answer.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Hmm Gova, when you get back from WHOBA answer this question:

Hey Gova, you want to drop the debate now, right? Would you be willing to use votes now and comply with the system if it meant being able to scumhunt in other ways?

Lol at Gova attacking the one guy with a town read on him.

Right then, I think I'm fine with this then.

vote: Kuz for shootee
vote: Gova for shooter

Gova if the above scenario happens then please comply. I know that you don't believe Kuz to be scummy but realize that if the majority thinks so than it's much more likely that they're right and you're not. In any case, I'm willing to see you become an alley of the town.

Ryker what part of the case against Kuz aren't you buying? I'm fairly confident in my read on him, but you're just kind of dismissing it. I get the feeling that you're simply accepting Kuz because he's gotten on your "good side."

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I could.

Meta is working under the assumption that since they played one way in a different game they will play the same in another game. However, since they know that you know how they played in previous games, they can then play the same way as a different alignment in order to trick you, but since they know that you know that they know that, they could play the same way.

Sounds like WIFOM, huh? Shocker.

 

[ranmaru]

@All: We are going to have the shooter present a case on why they think the shootee is scum, right?

What if the shooter decided to shoot someone else who they thought was scummy? (In this instance I would want that person to present a case on why that person would be scummier than the shootee they were assigned)

I'm reading BIM3, to see how it went down. (And my quotes : D )

What I don't understand about Ryker is that he is for quickshooting, yet he doesn't propose how one should do it. (I just did, above)

Also what would you guys do if someone went crazy and shot someone with little to no reasoning? Would you shoot them the next day? Do you think shooting quickshooters is pro-town or anti-town?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker what part of the case against Kuz aren't you buying? I'm fairly confident in my read on him, but you're just kind of dismissing it. I get the feeling that you're simply accepting Kuz because he's gotten on your "good side."

Hell nah. I simply think there is a lot worse play than Kuz out there atm, so I might as well be a bro for him since no one else will.

Sword, shoot Lux for me and we can look into Kuz together tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@All: We are going to have the shooter present a case on why they think the shootee is scum, right?

Why in the hell would we do that? What you want to do is order people to shoot someone, possibly AGAINST THEIR WILL. So why would you expect them to make a case when they're being forced to shoot?




Ran, I thought you said hypothetical scenarios weren't scum hunting and accomplished nothing. Is there anything you've said that you won't go back on?