Alright. This thread was created in the hopes that as community people from all over
Australia could help each other to get better. People who aren't in the top tier of
Australian smash players can catch up and people who are can improve together at a faster
rate.
The plan is to create a section for all the players who give permission, a section in the OP
of this thread. In that section I will display recent videos of that player, Critique that
they have received that is relevant will be quoted (I will try to date the critique) and
people can watch these videos can give critique based off the videos.
WHAT YOU SAY DOES NOT NEED TO RELATE TO THE VIDEOS.
If you have seen someone play at a tourney or played them but the videos were not recorded, you can still give tips based off that. I will make it clear
in the OP which quotes relate to videos and which were general.
Another thing we can do is have top players contribute to everyone in general. Tips from
players like Attila that are general will be put in another section for people to see.
Perhaps one quote in general will relate to them and they will work on that. These tips will
likely seem obvious, some may be more specific to certain types of characters or MUs, but
i think many will find this valuable.
The last section will help people with character Match-Ups. People who use characters or know
how to play against these characters can give tips and this will be listed under that
characters section. Some of these tips will be specific to certain players though so this
section may not be that helpful for a while. We will see.
I note that character specific boards can help with some of these things themselves, but it's never as intimate. Our own community will help the best I think, and so that everyone can view these things, everyone can improve, not just those that seek help in their character boards. I am confident that if you guys put in to this, it will be immensely helpful to the improvement of all our players. This can help newbs and pros alike.
So here it is with some examples already put in (when the sections expand I may seperate the sections into posts):
__________________________________________________________________
BRAWL
SPECIFIC PLAYERS SECTION
I will only put you in this section if you request to be put here by posting in this thread.
provide your own videos by posting them in this thread and I'll update the OP.
You do not need to provide your own videos to have a section, but it would be preffered.
Fast falling air dodge is a great Mix-Up
Most people relax too much when they replay and every moment should be thinking of the next input and abusing mobility
Patience when opponent is at high %'s, don't fish for the kill
Z+A to catch-and-throw grenades fast when they are mobile
People tend to play worse after losing the first stock off the match because they are trying too hard to bring it back
You need to bait the mistake, not force it - however if you can put the pressure on the opponent effectively, this can secure a kill, but still most AUS players do not do this right, I find. They take too much damage in the meantime or give the opponent too much space for this to be effective.
CHARACTER SPECIFIC
Australia could help each other to get better. People who aren't in the top tier of
Australian smash players can catch up and people who are can improve together at a faster
rate.
The plan is to create a section for all the players who give permission, a section in the OP
of this thread. In that section I will display recent videos of that player, Critique that
they have received that is relevant will be quoted (I will try to date the critique) and
people can watch these videos can give critique based off the videos.
WHAT YOU SAY DOES NOT NEED TO RELATE TO THE VIDEOS.
If you have seen someone play at a tourney or played them but the videos were not recorded, you can still give tips based off that. I will make it clear
in the OP which quotes relate to videos and which were general.
Another thing we can do is have top players contribute to everyone in general. Tips from
players like Attila that are general will be put in another section for people to see.
Perhaps one quote in general will relate to them and they will work on that. These tips will
likely seem obvious, some may be more specific to certain types of characters or MUs, but
i think many will find this valuable.
The last section will help people with character Match-Ups. People who use characters or know
how to play against these characters can give tips and this will be listed under that
characters section. Some of these tips will be specific to certain players though so this
section may not be that helpful for a while. We will see.
I note that character specific boards can help with some of these things themselves, but it's never as intimate. Our own community will help the best I think, and so that everyone can view these things, everyone can improve, not just those that seek help in their character boards. I am confident that if you guys put in to this, it will be immensely helpful to the improvement of all our players. This can help newbs and pros alike.
So here it is with some examples already put in (when the sections expand I may seperate the sections into posts):
__________________________________________________________________
BRAWL
SPECIFIC PLAYERS SECTION
I will only put you in this section if you request to be put here by posting in this thread.
provide your own videos by posting them in this thread and I'll update the OP.
You do not need to provide your own videos to have a section, but it would be preffered.
SPLICE
Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDjoNftZuaA
Date: November 6 2010
Match: GaW vs Toshiba (Diddy) 1
Critique:
MTGod:
you should learn/make use of GW's glide toss - you had pretty good control over the bananas in this match and a well spaced Glide Toss is a great set-up for GW's OP kill moves. IIRC GW's is a pretty beast one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06GDyyFGSIk
Date: November 6 2010
Match: GaW vs Toshiba (Diddy) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0os3E5NNf4A&feature=sub
Date: Novermber 6 2010
Match: GaW vs Afropony (MK) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=latTMmRt4Z0&feature=related
Date: Novermber 6 2010
Match: GaW vs Afropony (MK) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2pJcTIhpoY&feature=related
Date: Novermber 6 2010
Match: GaW vs Afropony (MK) 3
General Critique:
GENERAL TIPS
Fast falling air dodge is a great Mix-Up
Most people relax too much when they replay and every moment should be thinking of the next input and abusing mobility
Patience when opponent is at high %'s, don't fish for the kill
Z+A to catch-and-throw grenades fast when they are mobile
People tend to play worse after losing the first stock off the match because they are trying too hard to bring it back
You need to bait the mistake, not force it - however if you can put the pressure on the opponent effectively, this can secure a kill, but still most AUS players do not do this right, I find. They take too much damage in the meantime or give the opponent too much space for this to be effective.
CHARACTER SPECIFIC
Using Lucas
Techniques: Zap-Jumping, Magnet Pulling, Dair to Dtilt lock.
The first two are a must for recovery, otherwise your opponent will know you will always fall and PKT2, which is very easy to punish when you know it's coming, and the Dtilt lock is Lucas' only safe kill setup.
Pivot grab (don't normal grab it's bad)
Tips: Learn the range to tether the edge, much easier than PKT.
Mix up Autocancelled SH Nairs frequently to avoid the opponent learning the timing of when to punish. It's not so much a problem on hit, but if you connect with a shield the only way to get out safely will be to trick them, and if you're lucky you'll be able to get some damage on them after all. My favourite mix ups are Jab (the stock-standard anti-shieldgrab), double Ftilt (most people don't realise just how quickly the second one comes out, and the first tilt has a bit of knockback on shield which is good), and grab (risky, but they almost never see it coming).
Be able to angle your PKT2 entirely through muscle memory. Useful when you can't see the thunder anyway.
Thundersliding (search Youtube if unsure) is rarely useful, but handy to learn as it's a fantastic mix up that not many people will be able to react quick enough too. Best stage to learn is on Battlefield.
Moves that are Useful (spacing and tricks) :
---AC Nair (without hitting the last hit) into Fsmash; hits a surprising amount of times, I believe due to opponents DIing the Nair upwards which then times perfectly into the Smash when they land. Definitely not reliable in the slightest, but I've gotten a lot of kills from people expecting something different.
---Magnet Stalling; when you're above someone, you can use your Magnet to stall yourself in the air, but you've got to pick your moment due to the lag. Mindgames, son. If you're offstage and high up, you can get a little bit more horizontal recovery with your Magnet stall as well, which is an added bonus
---PK Freeze; this is NOT a bad move despite what everyone on the planet believes. If you're opponent is recovering high off stage you can use Freeze to force an airdodge, leading into a free aerial in most cases. More importantly, you can mindgame this to get them to airdodge -too- early, hold the freeze and catch them as soon as their dodge is up which can result in free damage or even a surprise kill at times. Freeze is also useful as a safer, but less pressuring edgeguard against those pesky plankers, and if they somehow get hit by the freeze while planking it's a stage spike. Freeze isn't a bad move, but you have to really know when and how to use it which you can only learn through practice so try it out in friendlies.
---Autocancelled Fair; this one's a bit weird, because you have to immediately Fair after you jump - slightly too early and you fsmash/dash attack, and slightly too late and you don't AC it. Very, very, VERY useful for spacing (and retreating with RAR).
---Retreating fair is one of Lucas' best spacing tools so employ that liberally.
Defeating Lucas
Learn the distance of PKT2; It's far longer than Ness's and is important knowledge especially when trying to gimp.
Lucas doesn't have the best options for dealing with airial opponents, (his Usmash is good but too slow) so it is viable to pressure his sheild from above.
Using Game and Watch
UpB out of shield is a fantastic escape move and should be used every time you feel under pressure instead of roll or dodge
Nair and Fair OoS limits most characters ability to sheild pressure GaW at all
Jab > Grab works wonders against most characters except the real mobile ones or people who SDI well with light chars.
Fair to hit off platforms and Bair as they fall is totally safe and easy to abuse
SH Key is useful, slowfall offstage to get opponent off the edge.
You can slowfall the key in the air so it ends before you hit the ground, and then use it again. This stuffs up peoples sheilding timing and you can hit them.
Whiff Nair to control opponents direction offstage for gimping
Nair aggression is better than Bair but your spacing needs to be even more precise, however the move is more flexible
FF Nair catches characters when they above you even when they try to spotdodge through it.
Defeating Game and Watch
You can't, too bad
SDI Bair upwards and attack him with Downwards airial as he is still using Bair
Punish Bair OoS with fast airials, grabs and invulnerability frames if you have them
Be prepared for all his bull**** (see "Using Game and Watch" section)
Using Peach
Use forward air;
Retreating forward air is AMAZING, Advancing forward air is AMAZING, Stationary forward air is AMAZING.
It can apply sheild pressure and punish mistakes well, and it can even work as an edgeguard.
One trick you can use with Fair is fair the oppenents sheild, and then do your first jab as you land and grab.
Do this a few times and then when you grab they will spotdodge; bait this, and forward air instead of grab.
Fair into jab itself is a good idea >?
Defeating Peach
>Catch Bob-omb
>Throw Bob-omb back
