Of course not. I just reason that such a meeting probably wouldn't rank high on Marty's priorities, especially given how, at that point in time, Doom Eternal was deep into its development cycle. Thus, it'd be perfectly reasonable for such decisions to be handled by the individuals whose express job is to discuss and make these deals while Stratton dedicates himself fully to Doom Eternal. Also, negotiations != resource sharing, as the former has to reach an agreement in order for the latter to occur. And what if Bethesda themselves wanted to put forth their own character for Smash? Would Stratton have a say in such matters when it comes to the likes of Shouty McViking and Corporate Stoogeboy?
Everyone always forgets that the thing that kickstarted discussions about the Doom Slayer in Smash Bros was a meeting between Bethesda and Nintendo. Notice how Id Software themselves had scant to nil input in this meeting, and that the primary attendee on Bethesda's behalf (and the one that outright confirmed that Smash constituted a degree of the discussion) was Pete Hines. See how it lines up with what I've been trying to say?
So you keep saying that Pete Hinnes/Bethesda are the ones making the decisions (which is a fair assumption) but keep
missing the point that Stratton would be in a position to know about any such development. And if the smash "talks" didn't follow through where he didn't need to be concerned with (which i presume happened based on what he said), then DOOM isn't in smash. It's the simplest way to interpret what he said.
This isn't a case where another Bethesda IP is in smash and Marty said no. It's the one franchise that he's directly concerned with, how is he not in a position to know?
Also i just want to clarify that there were no indication that the talks went any deeper (if you look at the "oh yea" blurb and the more recent comments it seemed to be nothing more than requests that didn't go anywhere)
I'm going to assume you meant Bethesda when you mentioned Id Software keeping Stratton in the dark (which is a nonsensical deliberation which I never intended to make). Why would Stratton necessarily need to have been informed about such a decision if it wasn't going to be followed through? At most, he'd hear about it in a meeting with some Beth execs, the notion would be laughed off and they'd move onto more pressing matters (like Doom Eternal's development). No need to incur an additional level of stress until they're absolutely sure that they're working with Nintendo.
And given how Nintendo was the one who picked out the DLC characters for both fighter passes, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that this scenario likely was a reality (especially given how much he dedicates himself to the series).
So you're saying that Stratton is
1. completely kept unaware of smash talks (he doesn't need to be included, just have some idea)
2. the decision wasn't followed through when he said those comments (where the pass is already decided?)
3. He's a top level exec, if the devs at Rare knew about Banjo as well as design planning, then surely the lead developer would be in the position to know (just know where talks are headed. He doesn't need to be involved in the nitty-gritty, just know)
Also i'm going to have to see receipts on Sakurai being completely in the dark given how he's said Nintendo approaches him beforehand regarding potential characters.
If he were going for the straight deconfirmation, he wouldn't make a statement so open to interpretation. He would've just said "Doom Slayer is not coming to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - not now, not ever" much like what Frank O'Connor did and be done with it, none of this mincing together of specific terminologies and technicalities which fall short of a hardline deliberation. No honest person goes through that much effort to simply say "No".
And here's the quote, as clear as it can be (after sakurai said the pass has already been decided).
GC: Well, that’s how Solid Snake got in it. Would they discount it just because of the gore and violence though?
MS: I dunno. You would honestly have to ask them. We’ve never been approached and said, ‘Hey can Doomguy be in Smash Bros.?’ But we’re open-minded if they wanna ask. But we hear it all the time [from fans]. Who would say no? [laughs]
GC: But you did ask them?
MS: We’ve had… I don’t even know who talked to who, but we’ve bantered with them. We have a great relationship with them through bringing Doom 2016 to Switch and that kind of stuff. So we have great people over there but it’s one of those things where it’s like, ‘Wouldn’t it be cool?’ But it’s never gone anywhere serious, so we’ll see.
And before you jump to "he said i don't know", he explicitly clarifies later by saying that they've never gone further with talks.
Focusing on separate bits of information doesn't work when the entire thing states that he doesn't know because they've asked Nintendo about it before, and have never gotten a serious response back,
Is he never coming? Definitely impossible to say. Is he coming in this pass, based on what we've seen? Unlikely.