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At Smash's Gate - The Doom Marine/Doomguy/Doom Slayer Thread

Looma

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Sweet jesus this thing is hard to kill. It literally got a quarter of itself torn off and it's still going? I'm liking Doomguy's odds here.

Poor Artorias though, he died so we could (maybe) get Doomguy. Guess he died as a hero after all...
 
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valkiriforce

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There's a lot of characters I wouldn't mind for the last two DLC slots, but Doomguy/Doom Slayer is easily my most wanted besides Geno. It looks like there's been a lot of good things floating around about him and it's mindblowing to think it could really happen, as I honestly felt at one time it seemed like something that would never, ever happen. I really hope he pulls through all of this because I agree he would best fit representing the FPS genre as the one who widely popularized it - not to mention I'm very much into playing classic Doom WADs and multiplayer. It'd be crazy to think the same character who has ventured through thousands of PWADs could be making their way into Smash Ultimate.
 

ZoroCarlos

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Wait, so if Google Theory isn't dead, does that imply fighter pass 2? Since Hero is in and Banjo too, then three characters from the theory are missing but we only have two slots. Could also be a Piranha Plant sort of deal and sell one of them individually, but I don't know.

If we imply that the former will be true then I think more names should have appeared on the theory to fill up a second pass, if that makes sense.

I'm going to remain skeptical on this until new informations comes by.
 

DutchPichu

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Ryu Hayabusa and Doom Slayer feel like reasonable choices to round up this fighter pass. Different than the previous 3 characters, but their names are just as big. I would like to see those two characters: they're unique and iconic.
 

KillerCage

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What a time we live in. If you said this back in the Brawl era, people would be utterly bewildered by your statement.
People may have believed Ryu Hayabusa back then, but definitely NOT Doom Slayer.

{edit) Has anyone else being beside me tried to present the news regarding Google Theory to the Ryu Hayabusa thread? When I tried, they come across as pretty dismissive to me.
 
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Looma

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It's funny, I used to hypothesize between classes way back during post-Brawl about Doomguy and why he might be considered "worthy" of a spot. I never came close to thinking it'd actually be feasible, yet here we are today. The fact that Doomkirb may soon be a reality is surreal.

I for one have my Doomguy posting ready and waiting for the moment he (potentially) shows himself.
 

GolisoPower

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So a long time back, I made a Doom Slayer moveset which, looking back, didn't feel right to me. So here's my revamped version:


Note: This may be subjective to change in the future. Especially the Glory Kill mechanic, which I feel needs more tweaking but don't know how.
 
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So a long time back, I made a Doom Slayer moveset which, looking back, didn't feel right to me. So here's my revamped version:


Note: This may be subjective to change in the future. Especially the Glory Kill mechanic, which I feel needs more tweaking but don't know how.
You had me at the Glory Kill mechanic.
 

PublicServant

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So a long time back, I made a Doom Slayer moveset which, looking back, didn't feel right to me. So here's my revamped version:


Note: This may be subjective to change in the future. Especially the Glory Kill mechanic, which I feel needs more tweaking but don't know how.
Given the similarities it has with my own moveset, mine desperately requires an update what with Doom Eternal incoming and whatnot.

Given the content in the following link, what changes would be recommended to make?: https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/a3wewl/the_doom_slayer_rips_tears_into_battle_moveset/
 

GolisoPower

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Given the similarities it has with my own moveset, mine desperately requires an update what with Doom Eternal incoming and whatnot.

Given the content in the following link, what changes would be recommended to make?: https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/comments/a3wewl/the_doom_slayer_rips_tears_into_battle_moveset/
So your moveset shows Glory Kills restoring health and the Chainsaw restoring ammo. I’m sure you know this, but in Doom Eternal, there’s a weapon called the Flame Belcher that sets enemies on fire, and shooting them while they’re ablaze makes them drop armor. In my moveset, that’s where I had my idea for the one-hit super armor: to represent the function.

That’s all I could think of for recommendations for your moveset, really.

EDIT: Wait, here's another: the air-dashes. They seem to be crucial to gameplay in Doom Eternal, and can be used twice consecutively, which can be beneficial to a mobile playstyle in Smash Bros.
 
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What a time we live in. If you said this back in the Brawl era, people would be utterly bewildered by your statement.
Hell, Master Chief is being treated as a serious contender. Back in the Brawl days he was a meme pick, along with Cloud.
 

Evil Trapezium

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This is my version of a Super Smash Bros Ultimate moveset for Doom Guy.

 

KillerCage

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Had this been shared?

The 4 characters Forbes Magazine said were "datamined" were the same characters that were in the 5chan leak that got busted earlier this year.
Aside from that clearly wrong information, everything that was in this video has already been discussed.

{edit} Sorry if I sounded dismissive. I just feel there is no value in this video.
 
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Untouch

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https://nintendoeverything.com/banjo-kazooie-hero-smash-bros-masahiro-sakurai/

This was another fighter that I received a lot of requests for – mostly from overseas. That being said, King K. Rool and Ridley were pretty fervently requested too. And as I continue to grant these requests, I can only see a future where there’s even more of them.
I don't think this is particularly a hint towards any character, but Sakurai doesn't really care if a character is only requested and popular in the west.
 

TerminatorLOL

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So I've thought about what if the Mii fighters had a classic mode run based on their three classes, then I just thought that a Gunner based run could really fit Doomguy since he did popularize the FPS genre.

Guns for Glory
Only gun based items spawn: Daybreak, Drill Arm, Super Scope, Ray Gun, Steel Diver, Banana Gun, Rage Blaster, Staff.
Opponents will favor their projectile/gun based attack's.
  1. :ultinkling:,:ultduckhunt:,:ultmegaman:
  2. :ultzss:,:ultsamus:,:ultdarksamus:
  3. :ultkrool:,:ultdiddy:,:ultbanjokazooie:
  4. :ultfox:,:ultfalco:,:ultwolf:
  5. :ultjoker:,:ultbayonetta:,:ultsnake:
  6. :ultgunner: (horde x6)
  7. Boss: Galleom
 

Holphino

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So, any new Doom related things happen recently?
Nothing big, but one of the devs of Doom Eternal confirmed that we're getting a lot more Doomguy backstory in Doom Eternal. Some questions that they're apparently going to answer include: why he's called Doom Slayer, if he's human, and if he's the same Doomguy from 1993. That last question in particular has me very interested!
 

Holphino

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I call him Doom Slayer because of this:
https://gear.bethesda.net/products/doom-slayer-figure
Also because I give the Google Leak an 85% chance of being real, and that called him "Doom Slayer" as well.
I believe they mean they're going to answer why he's called that in canon. As it didn't really have to much of an explanation. Even in the lore snippets you could read in Doom 2016, they called him "Doom Marine". Then later on when you hear the backstory from the testament, it says that the demons refer to him as "Doom Slayer". So i'm guessing there's possibly a more in-depth reason for the name, at least as far as Doom lore is concerned. I like that you're confident about Google Theory, that alone makes me have a little more hope.
 
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Ah yes, They're going to answer all of those questions, ready for his announcement in Super Smash Bros Ultimate. ;^)
 

KillerCage

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My faith in Google Theory has been shaken recently due a discussion with someone called Tabbender claiming to have tested "Hero" and got no ad. He couldn't provide proof that he did this, but it came off as if he was telling the truth.

Google Theory is 100% false. Google's algorithm have always done weird things like this, it just happened to link some characters to the concept of DLC. Back then i remember trying Hero, Yuusha and Brave and none of them would pop the ad. It's purely "random" which characters do (by "random" i mean it depends on countless factors that can't be manipulated and are internal to Google's system). This is by no means any kind of evidence towards Doomguy or Ryu Hayabusa, just like it wasn't any kind of evidence towards Banjo or Artorias either. Banjo actually ending up getting in was a coincidence and completely unrelated to this theory. It's like that one "glitch theory" with Duck Hunt and the Sword Mii that "predicted" a DQ character and Banjo despite making no sense whatsoever (a character being based off another wouldn't cause glitches to occur with the original character, and even if they somehow messed up and linked a wrong file or something, datamining would have confirmed that, which obviously did not happen).

We have currently no idea of who the final 2 are. If any real leak is already public, it's currently under the radar, because all of those that i see speculations about really don't hold any water. The closest we have to giving us an idea of who the final 2 could be is Mii Costume theory, and even that is far from confirmed and relies on patterns, which have shown in the past to be unreliable.
Yes i did follow the steps. It was back when the theory was first discovered, i found a setup that made it work. PapaGenos can confirm that i PM'd him about it at the time, and was the one who discovered that putting in names of DLC for other games such as Freedom Cry was bringing up the ad, thus confirming the theory i already had at the time that the characters were merely being linked to the concept of DLC by google.
https://i.gyazo.com/34372b747812e22c342b96e1f4c6bec0.png
I tried multiple names at the time and i clearly remember trying Erdrick, Luminary, Hero, Yuusha and Brave. None of them was bringing up the ad. Once i get home maybe i'll be able to screencap my Firefox history (if i didn't clear it for the sake of the setup, which is sadly likely to have happened considering it was one of the steps), but that's the most i can do in terms of providing proof.
I still have some doubts about his claim, mainly because he just joined SmashBoards on July 1st this year. Regardless of the validity of his claim, I still believe Doom Slayer has an excellent shot in being the Fighters' Pass.
 
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My faith in Google Theory has been shaken recently due a discussion with someone called Tabbender claiming to have tested "Hero" and got no ad. He couldn't provide proof that he did this, but it came off as if he was telling the truth.



I still have some doubts about his claim, mainly because he just joined SmashBoards on July 1st this year. Regardless of the validity of his claim, I still believe Doom Slayer has an excellent shot in being the Fighters' Pass.
I don’t believe Google Theory, but I could’ve sworn PapaGenos said that no one had tried the name “Hero”. Maybe I’m mistaken or he forgot about being PM’d.
 
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When I was relatively new into Doom, I used to call him Doom Trooper. Also believing that the game Doom Troopers was some sort of 2D 16-bit version of Doom.

Then I called him by his “real” name in the novel, Flynn Taggart.

Now I mostly call him Doomguy, because I like embracing the sillier side of Doom.
 

KillerCage

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I don’t believe Google Theory, but I could’ve sworn PapaGenos said that no one had tried the name “Hero”. Maybe I’m mistaken.
PapaGenos did confirm that nobody on his Discord tested "Hero" because the name was very generic. He explained in this video:
The timestamp should be 35:15.
 

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Switch marketing is a good sign that Doom Guy maybe on his way to Smash Bros. It happened with Dragon Quest and it happened with Banjo Kazooie. Capcom also did this with Resident Evil by releasing 0, 1, 4, 5 and 6 for the Switch. They had a whole commercial for Nintendo's E3 entirely dedicated to those re-releases.

We don't even have the original Doom games on the Switch yet so if Doom Guy is nearing to be announced for Super Smash Bros Ultimate, he'll probably arrive with a Doom collection of some sort.
 

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Add in the whole Futaba element and this thing dynamic gets all the more confusing.
Doom Guy was Sojiro this whole time!

Ha ha ha!

Ha!

...

...

... I'm still sad that there is no Switch or PC release for Persona 5... :^(
 

EarlTamm

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FeliciaFan made a pretty cool concept for Doomguy; check it out!

Cool ideas, but lacking any elements from Doom Eternal, which feels like a certainty for Doom Slayer in Smash. After all, Joker got his grappling hook in Smash, and that isn't going to be a major element of his character until Persona 5 Royal.
 

M00NFIRE94

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Cool ideas, but lacking any elements from Doom Eternal, which feels like a certainty for Doom Slayer in Smash. After all, Joker got his grappling hook in Smash, and that isn't going to be a major element of his character until Persona 5 Royal.
Sakurai certainly wouldn't forget the Crucible.

"Sure his weapons are diverse and he punches good but I dunno…"

Eternal Trailer happens.

"IS THAT A LASER SWORD?"
 

PublicServant

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Is it just me, or has Doomguy been running a lot of firearms operation and safety courses as of late?
There was a problem fetching the tweet
 
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EarlTamm

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Is it just me, or has Doomguy been running a lot of firearms operation and safety courses as of late?
There was a problem fetching the tweet
Well, in Japan it's not legal to carry firearms, so Doomguy is just teaching them as a Western rep with such notable experience. The only other option would be Banjo, but the only firearm he knows how to use is Kazooie.
 
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