At Smash's Gate - The Doom Marine/Doomguy/Doom Slayer Thread

YsDisciple · Nov 12, 2020

Yo, PapaGenos' latest video brought up something I hadn't realized up until now; the day of The Game Awards falls on the anniversary of DOOM.

Michael the Spikester · Nov 12, 2020

Most likely a coinicdence. People assumed Rex was gonna be announced last month due to Monlich's anniversary and do people keep forgetting Doom Slayer is deconfirmed given the interview? Sorry to dash anyone's hopes.

GolisoPower · Nov 12, 2020

YsDisciple said:
Yo, PapaGenos' latest video brought up something I hadn't realized up until now; the day of The Game Awards falls on the anniversary of DOOM.

There seems to be a lot going here.

On the one hand, The Game Awards is an ideal place for a Smash reveal, and if FP1's schedule is anything to go by, We should be able to see something by December or something. I mean, compare the gap between Piranha Plant and Joker with the gap between Min Min and Steve, the time duration just about matches. And speaking of which, a December release after Steve's October release seems like good timing.

But on the other hand, we shouldn't put Anniversaries into account, because in spite of Little Mac's reveal lining up with Punch-Out!!'s anniversary, that one is most likely coincidence. And we all thought last years TGA was gonna have a Smash reveal when nope. Though to that one's credit, Terry had only been out for a month then.

Michael the Spikester · Nov 12, 2020

GolisoPower said:
There seems to be a lot going here.

On the one hand, The Game Awards is an ideal place for a Smash reveal, and if FP1's schedule is anything to go by, We should be able to see something by December or something. I mean, compare the gap between Piranha Plant and Joker with the gap between Min Min and Steve, the time duration just about matches. And speaking of which, a December release after Steve's October release seems like good timing.

But on the other hand, we shouldn't put Anniversaries into account, because in spite of Little Mac's reveal lining up with Punch-Out!!'s anniversary, that one is most likely coincidence. And we all thought last years TGA was gonna have a Smash reveal when nope. Though to that one's credit, Terry had only been out for a month then.

Plus a lot of people assumed Rex last month due to Monlich's anniversary. Look how that turned out...

This is nothing more but a coincidence and tin foil theory.

And reminder said interview pretty much deconfirms the character destroying any hope he ever had getting in.

YsDisciple · Nov 12, 2020

Only time will tell. :denzel:

GolisoPower · Nov 12, 2020

Michael the Spikester said:
Plus a lot of people assumed Rex last month due to Monlich's anniversary. Look how that turned out...

This is nothing more but a coincidence and tin foil theory.

And reminder said interview pretty much deconfirms the character destroying any hope he ever had getting in.

I'd like to argue that that's not the case.

The Fighters' Pass Vol. 2 was probably not finalized until after Byleth, and iD Software doesn't have as much say in the matter as Bethesda or Zenimax, who at the time would've had more authority due to them owning iD Software before that big-ass Microsoft buyout. Yes, Nintendo selected the fighters, but at the time of FP2's announcement, not the order of which the fighters would release. If Sakurai or Nintendo wanted Doom Slayer in Smash Bros, they would have to ask iD's parent companies, and not iD themselves. Besides, CacoMallow is still up and not disproven yet, and just because a leak has lasted long doesn't mean it's not true. I mean, Vergeben, whether you love him or hate him, had been saying that Minecraft content is gonna be in Smash since base. Game. If the most famous leak in Ultimate's history doesn't tell you that a leak can last long and still be true, then I don't know what will.

Guynamednelson · Nov 12, 2020

GolisoPower said:
The Fighters' Pass Vol. 2 was probably not finalized until after Byleth

Sakurai Presentations are filmed months ahead, and he said in Byleth's that the choices were finalized.

KirbyWorshipper2465 · Nov 12, 2020

The only guarantee we have in regards to the VGAs is that Tokyo is involved. That's more than what we got last year...

Michael the Spikester · Nov 12, 2020

GolisoPower said:
Besides, CacoMallow is still up and not disproven yet

At this rate, it honestly should be. Something like this should have been announced a while ago, the fact it hasn't shows its fake and was modded.

GolisoPower · Nov 12, 2020

Michael the Spikester said:
At this rate, it honestly should be. Something like this should have been announced a while ago, the fact it hasn't shows its fake and was modded.

Ah, but I'd argue that with the Ken leak: this was no doubt a real picture of Ken in Smash in a real test build, and Nintendo couldn't take it down without invoking the Streisand effect. If Nintendo took down a picture of a tech demo regarding an unrevealed character and everyone thought it was real, it would risk people being even more convinced it was real. And again, I invoke Vergeben's Minecraft claims. Love him or hate him, he said it'd happen, which is more reinforced by the fact Daniel Kaplan, former Minecraft Production Director, said that talks for Steve being in Smash went back to at least 5 years, and considering the lengths Sakurai went to put him in, I can certainly see why. The timing of the leak lines up with the negotiation period, and therefore checks out.

KirbyWorshipper2465 · Nov 12, 2020

In any case, the benefit of the doubt is certainly something that shouldn't be overlooked.

Also, I should point out that the Mario 35 tournament still has no solid date for December. Whether that means anything is up in the air.

Holphino · Nov 12, 2020

YsDisciple said:
Yo, PapaGenos' latest video brought up something I hadn't realized up until now; the day of The Game Awards falls on the anniversary of DOOM.

Anytime he posts a video with Doomguy in the thumbnail I have a mini heart attack.

CommanderZaktan · Nov 12, 2020

YsDisciple said:
Yo, PapaGenos' latest video brought up something I hadn't realized up until now; the day of The Game Awards falls on the anniversary of DOOM.

That's what I'm saying. They might reveal him on TGA next month.

Michael the Spikester · Nov 12, 2020

Y'all getting your hopes up for nothing. I can guarantee there won't be a Smash reveal.

KirbyWorshipper2465 · Nov 12, 2020

If not that, can there at least be anything else good other than a Muppet sketch? I want an actual reason to watch those pointless awards again if I'm going to waste free time anyway.

Holphino · Nov 12, 2020

I'd also definitely recommend people to not get their hopes up when it comes to this theory. It's just a theory, and it probably won't lead to anything. Even Papa Genos himself says it's very tin foil-y, however, it's nice to have something to talk about again when it comes to Doomguy Smash speculation.

Giga Kaiju · Nov 14, 2020

I doubt that we'll get a Smash reveal then. Last year there was nothing and I don't know why people think there would be one now. Its possible but not so possible also.

Besides, anniversaries have been proven time and time again to not matter with character reveals. And if they di, they're just coincidences. Although some attention to Doom Eternal for Switch would be nice.

:bowser:

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KirbyWorshipper2465 · Nov 16, 2020

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2..._bethesdas_games_away_from_nintendo_platforms

So, there you have it. I had no doubt about it in the first place.

Giga Kaiju · Nov 17, 2020

Glad to know. I thought this would hinder some releases but it's great to hear that things will remain the same for the most part.

:bowser:

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YsDisciple · Nov 18, 2020

DOOM Eternal got quite a few nominations for this year's The Game Awards.

Best Action Game
Best Audio Design
Best Score and Music
Game of the Year

https://thegameawards.com/nominees

EDIT: Since double posting is a no-no, Geoff tweeted this a while ago. Cute that he's also aware of the Isabelle x Doom Guy meme (adequately so due to Animal Crossing: New Horizons, and DOOM Eternal's numerous nominations this year). Although... it does make you think.

Could it be...?

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chocolatejr9 · Nov 19, 2020

Just a head's up, GameStop has apparently started calling/emailing people about Doom Eternal's Switch port being cancelled. Bethesda's Support team says otherwise, but it feels like something might be up...

KillerCage · Nov 19, 2020

chocolatejr9 said:
Just a head's up, GameStop has apparently started calling/emailing people about Doom Eternal's Switch port being cancelled. Bethesda's Support team says otherwise, but it feels like something might be up...

Is it just Gamestop or are we seeing canceled pre-orders from other retail stores?

chocolatejr9 · Nov 19, 2020

KillerCage said:
Is it just Gamestop or are we seeing canceled pre-orders from other retail stores?

Seems like it's just GameStop. GameXplain made a video on it, but there seems to be conflicting evidence.

YsDisciple · Nov 19, 2020

Would be nice if Id Software, or Bethesda to step in and clarify what's going on before the information starts getting twisted around the web.

EDIT: All is well DOOM Bros. Courtesy of Source Gaming, they shared Bethesda's PR statement in regards to the cancelled-pre orders. As some YouTubers have speculated, it looks like DOOM Eternal is coming as a digital-only release.

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CommanderZaktan · Nov 19, 2020

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Bethesda saying it's not true.

Ridley_Prime · Nov 19, 2020

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cmbsfm · Nov 20, 2020

They might’ve not been able to fit the game on a cartridge

PublicServant · Nov 20, 2020

cmbsfm said:
They might’ve not been able to fit the game on a cartridge

Doubtful, given that they managed to fit Doom 2016 onto a Switch cartridge (which, I might add, is almost double the filesize of Eternal on PC)

More than likely willing to bet on disrupted/dwindling physical sales due to Covid

Room100 · Nov 20, 2020

How do we feel about the possibility of a shadow drop now that it's digital only?

Koopaul · Nov 20, 2020

Oh man I hate getting large games digitally. I'm also a collector by nature and just enjoy putting things on my shelf. I wonder if they'll give an official statement on why the physical copy was canceled.

Ridley_Prime · Nov 20, 2020

Probably covid, yeah.

Even if the Switch Pro ends up being a thing, feel more confident now at least that no games would be exclusive to it or withheld from the regular Switch; just games like Eternal would run better on the Pro.

That’s what I’m hoping anyway. Don’t want to feel forced to upgrade/replace my Switch now of all times.

KirbyWorshipper2465 · Nov 20, 2020

I never had a Switch in the first place, so it's no skin off my nose. Still weird for Bethesda to do this anyway when other companies have had little to no issues releasing physical with the current situation.

Ridley_Prime · Nov 20, 2020

With how big Eternal is as a game, could very well also just be trouble fitting it all in one cartridge. They were barely able to do so for 2016 (even then, some things had to be cut like SnapMap mode), and Eternal feels around twice as long as Doom ‘16 on a level by level basis/comparison.

Megadoomer · Nov 20, 2020

I suppose I should have seen this coming (seeing as Wolfenstein: Youngblood was a step up from being digital-only, since it was a code in a box), but it's still a shame.

Being able to get Doom 2016 physically on the Switch helped to offset the size of the digital version (I only had a 32 or 64 GB Micro SD card at the time, and the digital version of Doom 2016 would have taken up half or almost all of it, depending on which card I had), and while Doom Eternal takes up less space than Doom 2016 on Steam (I think it's 60 GB for 2016 compared to 32 GB for Eternal, but I'm not sure), the Switch version was able to save space by taking out the SnapMap feature, and there's no similar feature in Doom Eternal that can easily be removed.

I've gotten a 400 GB Micro SD card since then, though at the moment, I have about 75 GB of space left. If Doom Eternal takes up about half of that remaining space, then I might have to pass on the Switch version for now. (though I'll get it if it takes up less space than I expect, or if Sandisk puts out a micro SD card with more space at a reasonable price)

PublicServant · Nov 20, 2020

I think people are getting a bit overzealous in referring to the physical release as "cancelled".

I'm betting that it's more than likely delayed compared to anything else.

RileyXY1 · Nov 20, 2020

PublicServant said:
I think people are getting a bit overzealous in referring to the physical release as "cancelled".

I'm betting that it's more than likely delayed compared to anything else.

Doom 2016 barely got a physical release, and Doom Eternal is much bigger.

KirbyWorshipper2465 · Nov 20, 2020

I still think Eternal's Switch version may coincide with a long-rumored forthcoming Switch revision model, since the added memory would theoretically make having space for it less of an issue.

MattX20 · Nov 20, 2020

I'm pretty miffed at the lack of a physical version of Eternal on the Switch. Lots of games like New Horizons were physical releases and sold well and the Doom 2016 port sold well on the Switch physically as well. It's more convenient in case of hardware failures to have a physical copy on hand

Giga Kaiju · Nov 21, 2020

Well, we finally got a word on Eternal on the Switch but I am sure it's not what most of us expected or wanted.

I'm glad to hear that the game is sure to be on the console but not as a digital-only title. I honestly, do not like that because chances are the game is going to be an enormous sized archive to have on an SD disc to play in your Switch. I am not entirely against digital downloads but with titles like that being as huge as they are and with the finicky medium that is digital, I'm not sure.

I just hope that later on there's a change on that, if possible or in a future Nintendo console where it can be made physical as not only for convenience sake of owning the copy but as a not as huge of an archive to have.

Oh well, time will tell. I'm just waiting for Gamestop to send me an Email for the cancellation of my pre-order but that might be not too long from now once more details are given.

:bowser:

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doomguywhen1993 · Nov 22, 2020

Good to see Eternal got 4 nominations, even though i normally don't care for the VGA's.
A shame its Switch port is digital only now, but it seems to be what we're going to get.
In case it interests anyone, there might be an artist/painter themed skin and podium coming soon, if you recall that Bob Ross Doomguy image at some point.

https://twitter.com/beardeddoomguy/status/1329130279785598984

Speaking of interesting Doom related news, there's so much i felt like sharing, this might be the most bloated link list, so i apologize and this is only for those that even care.
But there's still good stuff here and i hope i didn't screw up the links.

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