Linguini
Smash Master
im not having problems vs falcon,i know that hes stupidly simple to techase,if thats what your thinking.
but i recognize the matchup isnt as completely one sided as it is portrayed as from seeing it played out so much.
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Ask KirbyKaze sheik questions (better than mango's)
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but i recognize the matchup isnt as completely one sided as it is portrayed as from seeing it played out so much.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
*shrug*
If that's the case, we've basically reached an impasse.
I think Sheik's weapons eviscerate Falcon and he's pretty much just banking on his gayness to win. Granted, his gayness is pretty good, but I think Sheik shuts him out too hard to be a real threat. If you feel differently (understandably so) then that's fine.
His edgeguarding is probably 2nd best in the game on Sheik lawl.
If that's the case, we've basically reached an impasse.
I think Sheik's weapons eviscerate Falcon and he's pretty much just banking on his gayness to win. Granted, his gayness is pretty good, but I think Sheik shuts him out too hard to be a real threat. If you feel differently (understandably so) then that's fine.
His edgeguarding is probably 2nd best in the game on Sheik lawl.
B stands for random
Smash Rookie
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Funny. You should do stand up or something.
Both of you, actually.
What? god no.
More like I've been saving up since the dawn of time, lol.
Wow, why would you ever do that lmao
Gee, KK, who could be better than Falcon at edgeguarding Sheik? Lulz.
Oh yeah, I lied about the .14-.19 reaction speed for tech in place. You actually have 13/60 (.21 secs) - 19/60 (.317 secs) to react to Fox/Falco's tech in place (they can do something very quickly right after they're done with the tech unlike most characters).
Oh yeah, I lied about the .14-.19 reaction speed for tech in place. You actually have 13/60 (.21 secs) - 19/60 (.317 secs) to react to Fox/Falco's tech in place (they can do something very quickly right after they're done with the tech unlike most characters).
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Jigglypuff edgeguards Sheik to high hell. Ledgehop Rest / repeated F-smashes + Bair = GFG Sheik.
Sheik also edgeguards Sheik very well. Get up and chain grab or d-throw Fair off the edge --> edgehog or just repeat D-throw Fair / reverse Nair at high percent, or D-throw Uair at KO percent, plus Bair, repeat D-smashes, and other crap.
Falcon's probably third or so in retrospect.
Sheik also edgeguards Sheik very well. Get up and chain grab or d-throw Fair off the edge --> edgehog or just repeat D-throw Fair / reverse Nair at high percent, or D-throw Uair at KO percent, plus Bair, repeat D-smashes, and other crap.
Falcon's probably third or so in retrospect.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
lawl
I agree Fox is gay, but I think repeated Dair --> Knees or simple reverse Knees are more unrecoverable. Inescapable death at any percent over like 50 = awesome.
Although if we include edgeguarding in terms of ease of getting Sheik offstage into said edgeguard then Fox is probably better at it. U-throw Bair is as gay as balls.
I agree Fox is gay, but I think repeated Dair --> Knees or simple reverse Knees are more unrecoverable. Inescapable death at any percent over like 50 = awesome.
Although if we include edgeguarding in terms of ease of getting Sheik offstage into said edgeguard then Fox is probably better at it. U-throw Bair is as gay as balls.
Jeet Kune Do
Smash Apprentice
I have a question... is Mute City an okay stage for Sheik? When Peaches counter pick me on that stage I question who to pick... I main Falco.... should I just stay or no?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Play who you're comfortable.
Sheik is probably the better choice of the two, however, on that stage. Sheik sucks there, but Falco sucks there too and he's not as effective vs Peach either.
Sheik is probably the better choice of the two, however, on that stage. Sheik sucks there, but Falco sucks there too and he's not as effective vs Peach either.
soap
Smash Hero
when doing the zelda recovery, r u supposed to jump and then transform, or transform then jump? What is most efficient?
i also just thought of this. When u r clearly going to die regardless if u transform or not, charge some needles on the way down, store and transform, and u have needles on the return, assuming your zelda doesnt get ***** trying to change back
i also just thought of this. When u r clearly going to die regardless if u transform or not, charge some needles on the way down, store and transform, and u have needles on the return, assuming your zelda doesnt get ***** trying to change back
wait you acutally keep those needles?
why am i not aware of that?
why am i not aware of that?
soap
Smash Hero
only if u die as zelda
its a glitch.
i know, it's cheap as hell
its a glitch.
i know, it's cheap as hell
I believe that transform > jump > up-b is the best way to get maximum distance.
it lasts longer cuz she's floatier
that would be my assumption
that would be my assumption
soap
Smash Hero
im talking about recoveries, not your blow-up doll
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I never use the Zelda recovery (even though I should) so I really have no idea. It's probably best to jump after the transformation (so you can maximize your ability to float), because jump + transform = you have no jump and then you get killed just the same but I actually don't know.
I think Zelda's aerial mobility is better than Sheik's, so Sheik's higher double jump probably wouldn't compensate for the overall lack of movement you'd get out of it because of the transformation time + low horizontal air movement.
I think Zelda's aerial mobility is better than Sheik's, so Sheik's higher double jump probably wouldn't compensate for the overall lack of movement you'd get out of it because of the transformation time + low horizontal air movement.
What's also good is transforming to Zelda jumping, and then turning back to Sheik... only if you think you can make it back without using Zelda's recovery though.
Also, for teh mindgames is switching to Zelda, then back to Sheik and then still having your second jump and then recovering with Sheik. It surprises a lot of people because they assume you switched to Zelda for her jump.
Also, for teh mindgames is switching to Zelda, then back to Sheik and then still having your second jump and then recovering with Sheik. It surprises a lot of people because they assume you switched to Zelda for her jump.
soap
Smash Hero
^that's a good trick i think i'll try
i've used transformation invincibility to evade edgeguard back airs when i had like zero other options, its weird slow timing but it kinda works
i've used transformation invincibility to evade edgeguard back airs when i had like zero other options, its weird slow timing but it kinda works
As smart as that is (and yes that works for anybody who doesnt know), there's a problem with that, and that's the problem of being zelda on the respawn platform.
This isnt a problem at all if you're actually a Zelda player, but if not, you're basically setting yourself up to where you have to fight somebody off as zelda, or you have to probably eatting damage as sheik.
It's not bad if your opponent doesnt know to immediately run under your respawn platform so you're forced to make this decision, and there are actually some ways around it (on stages with high respawn platforms, they have to pretty much call when you're going to get off the platform), but on stages like, Yoshi's and Battlefield when they can just hang out by your respawn platform, it's... oof.
soap
Smash Hero
its not that hard to get a kick or a grab with zelda then change. If they camp your zelda just run to the edge and transform
Linguini
Smash Master
that zelda glitch transform **** is insane, im going to use training mode for the 1st time in more than a year to learn that tommorow.
Wait, what Zelda glitch are you talking about Linguini?
Also, it's not that hard at all to use Zelda. Lightshield everything they do and eventually you'll get a kick in and then you can transform. Just don't play Zelda vs Fox cuz then you're ****ed.
As soap mentioned, running to the edge and then transforming works really well also. Just do the down b, then jump upb and you grab the ledge without using the explosion. I suggest going a bit off to the side though just in case they like to get onto the edge.
Also, it's not that hard at all to use Zelda. Lightshield everything they do and eventually you'll get a kick in and then you can transform. Just don't play Zelda vs Fox cuz then you're ****ed.
As soap mentioned, running to the edge and then transforming works really well also. Just do the down b, then jump upb and you grab the ledge without using the explosion. I suggest going a bit off to the side though just in case they like to get onto the edge.
I don't think the 2-3 extra needles you gain that you could have gotten from just charging needles while you are invincible is worth it.
^^^It isn't. You basically get combo'd 0-some stupid percent.
Also, I'm going to be getting my capture card in the mail sometime next week or the week after along with a mic. I'll be able to stream stuff/commentate. :D
Also, I'm going to be getting my capture card in the mail sometime next week or the week after along with a mic. I'll be able to stream stuff/commentate. :D
soap
Smash Hero
but u get needles + 2-3 seconds of ZELDA pressure.
You like chase them, fox runs away, but u pull a JUMPER and teleport to the other side, and they are like lol, and usmash u.
soap
Smash Hero
i like corneria against peach. But sheik does good against her on all neutrals.
Random
In seriousness, I like Pokemon Stadium.
Big so you can camp and the very low ceiling aids in early KOs
soap
Smash Hero
i usually wouldn't be scared of a peach main's fox on corneria. Unless i was playing like PC or cort lol.Keep in mind if they have a backup character... aka Fox.Yoshi's/BF/DL ftw.
soap
Smash Hero
mute ****ty
Quoted for emphasis.
Cort/Darc ***** me so hard on Mute city I'm never not banning it vs peach/jiggs players >_>
Yeah, vs like PC/Cort/Azen/M2K you kind of have no option for a place where you're not going to get ***** on for a CP. It's kinda like, hmmm do I hate Corneria or Mute City more. I think I hate Mute City 100x more approximately.
Yeah, Mute City should be auto ban vs Peaches. I played on that vs a Fox/Sheik player and I just went fox. He went jiggs. I banned Corneria because I didn't think he'd go to Mute City lol.
Yeah, Mute City should be auto ban vs Peaches. I played on that vs a Fox/Sheik player and I just went fox. He went jiggs. I banned Corneria because I didn't think he'd go to Mute City lol.
Hazygoose
Smash Lord
yoshi's is my favorite vs. everyone sans marth. i mean...you can usmash through the platform :o