Q&A Ask about Pikachu! Hosted by Axe and N64! feat. dkuo!

[AXE 09]

Idk, I still get super hyped when Armada picks Ylink lol

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

the matches r pretty boring, but i still can't help but love seeing a ylink in a set deep in a tourney. So i think that alone should be hype

 

[AXE 09]

Just seeing that jiggs lose to a Ylink gives me the happiest feeling in the world lol. No offense

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

no offense to me? why would i be offended i am with u on this one

 

[AXE 09]

No I mean no offense to the hungriest of all boxes lol. Just makes me happy to see him get a taste of his own medicine =) no offense to him

 

[Spyro]

I was ok with seeing armada (y link) vs hbox (jiggs) the first time but it was the most unhype thing at genesis 2 (as far as the main sets to get hyped about anyway, I would not want to watch 2 scrubs doing jiggs dittos that was from some pools set).

 

[oukd]

I haven't played Jiggs enough to decide how the matchup goes...but so far it hasn't been too bad. Then again, I don't play campy Jiggs players.

Also: don't know if this has been posted yet, if you do a pikamoonwalk on the ufo on fourside/any other slippery surface...

Spoiler

lol

 

[DerfMidWest]

be a pokemon master and secondary mewtwo jiggz and. . . wait no that character just sucks <3

no that character is amazing.


also, Armada's ylink is... enh... not really a ylink, tbh. Actually, a lot of ylink players that I've met really hate armada's ylink.

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

IAlso: don't know if this has been posted yet, if you do a pikamoonwalk on the ufo on fourside/any other slippery surface...

Spoiler

lol

Ah, that ufo :D So many memories. I've done that plenty of times. You can super wavedash on top of it too, and some attacks carry you halfway across.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

no that character is amazing.


also, Armada's ylink is... enh... not really a ylink, tbh. Actually, a lot of ylink players that I've met really hate armada's ylink.

The thing is his ylink is there for one thing and one thing only. So his ylink doesn't have to be a ylink it just has to do the one thing he wants it to do.

Also how many ylinks mains r there to claim what a ylink is? (not a jab just wondering)

 

[DerfMidWest]

I've met about 5 ylink mains in ohio... but only 2 or 3 count.

Actually young links that are active in the community... maybe 7 or 8... idk.

 

[Spyro]

Axe have you ever thought about trying competitive smash 64?

Also, I think I’m just going to main Pikachu without secondaries so I won’t have to worry about learning other characters and just focus on Pikachu and be a Jiggs slayer .

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

Spyro being brave ftw

I don't have secondaries, tbh. Pika or bust for me in all Smash games. If I lose, I lose.

 

[indigestible_wad]

I don't know about you guys, but I actually like watching campy young links.

 

[AXE 09]

Spoiler

lol

Lol!!!! That made my day hahaha :D

And yeah I actually do wanna play 64, I think it's fun as heck :D but unfortunately I don't have it and I'm too focused on Melee to try to get competitive in something else right now lol

I also think pika jiggs is like 60:40 Jiggs, possibly worse

 

[Spyro]

Spyro being brave ftw

I don't have secondaries, tbh. Pika or bust for me in all Smash games. If I lose, I lose.

Having secondaries slows down how fast you advance your game. Just pick a character and stick with him/her. Just look at Hax, he’s considered a Sheik slayer and Sheik is one of Falcon’s worst matchup.

 

[AXE 09]

Having secondaries slows down how fast you advance your game.

TBH I don't agree with this, but that's just my opinion

 

[Divinokage]

TBH I don't agree with this, but that's just my opinion

I disagree too, viewing other character's functionality takes a complete different mindset as to how you approach every matchup, it's pretty interesting. So when you know how the characters function a lot better than it becomes even easier to read the opponent.

 

[AXE 09]

I disagree too, viewing other character's functionality takes a complete different mindset as to how you approach every matchup, it's pretty interesting. So when you know how the characters function a lot better than it becomes even easier to read the opponent.

Exactly this, couldn't have said it better myself lol.

 

[Mew2King]

Axe i already told u i could probably give u a discounted ticket if you wanted to travel OOC

sheik is not as bad vs falcon as people think. I'm just really good at it. S2J just 3-0d kirbykaze recently and they are pretty similar skill level I'd say, or close enough where that shouldn't happen if the MU was really that bad. i also beat nihonjin's sheik w/ falcon both times we played that MU at pound5 friendlies, but i lost the sheik ditto and marth friendly immediately before. It's prolly 55 or 60 (at very most) favor sheik honestly

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

I disagree too, viewing other character's functionality takes a complete different mindset as to how you approach every matchup, it's pretty interesting. So when you know how the characters function a lot better than it becomes even easier to read the opponent.

That's very true. I used to play as Yoshi some in Melee for events and such where Pika wasn't an option, and I'm pretty good against Yoshis as a result. I find them super fun to play, and I can read them better. If I was serious about getting competitive, I would probably play as every character until I could beat a lv. 9 and lv 6/8 CPU with each one, and still main Pika for all competitive matches. I'd know my opponents' options pretty well by that point, even if CPUs do suck, I would've still had enough practice to learn the character I was playing a bit.

 

[V3ctorMan]

Exactly this, couldn't have said it better myself lol.

^this

I disagree too, viewing other character's functionality takes a complete different mindset as to how you approach every matchup, it's pretty interesting. So when you know how the characters function a lot better than it becomes even easier to read the opponent.

^also this

TBH I don't agree with this, but that's just my opinion

quoted for truth.

Having secondaries slows down how fast you advance your game. Just pick a character and stick with him/her. Just look at Hax, he’s considered a Sheik slayer and Sheik is one of Falcon’s worst matchup.

I actually believe the EXACT opposite, in this, to me it has further developed how quickly I advanced my game, and I'm sure the same w/axe as well..and perhaps many other players, I don't think I'd have a successful, Yoshi, Roy, Mewtwo, Samus, Falco, Fox, multiple chars at all, if it weren't for me to play these other characters..

 

[indigestible_wad]

Having two mains will slow down your advancement, but having a secondary or two will give you more understanding of the depth of the game.

 

[oukd]

and having more than two mains means you can counterpick your opponent even more

 

[sanchaz]

I'm going to spend an hour learning pikachu's chaingrab on fast fallers so that I can counterpick them on fd. especially falcon mains. I want to win tournaments which is why I want to do this. People may call this "gay", but when money is on the line, I'm doing it.

THESE ARE THE PIKACHU BOARDS! why is the sheik vs falcon mu here, lol. s2j almost lost to tink's sheik....but eh. I believe it's 50-50.

 

[Spyro]

Having two mains will slow down your advancement, but having a secondary or two will give you more understanding of the depth of the game.

I agree with this more now after reading the posts, I might secondary characters that Pikachu has a hard time dealing with so I can better understand the character and what he/she want to do but I don't think I would use them in tournaments.

 

[Spyro]

What do you guys thing about ika: vs ? I have a hard time gimping Yoshi with Pikachu. Yoshi likes to trade hits and because Pikachu really does not have a lot of hard hitting moves other than Upsmash and Fsmash, I feel like Yoshi wins a lot of those trade wars.

 

[indigestible_wad]

Pikachu's uair breaks yoshi's jump armor around 35-40 percent, but only if you hit yoshi with the initial hitbox, I.E. the hitbox that sends opponents up. I've been looking into pikachu's moonwalk for this purpose offstage, but it would require an immense knowledge of jump timing and aerial trajectory, so I haven't had much luck with it. What really screws it up is the odd motion of yoshi's jump and the fact that moonwalking takes longer for you to get off the ground.

 

[Spyro]

I feel like Pikachu can get a lot of weird gimps on Yoshi near the edge using dair, nair and ftilt. some gimps were at 0:50 1:33 2:14 in this set http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9J78hE97Gk&feature=related

 

[AXE 09]

Oohhh Pika vs Yoshi. This matchup is surprisingly tough. I would say it's almost an even matchup. Possibly 55:45 Pika's favor. It's not too hard to gimp Yoshi if he does not have his double jump, but breaking his super armor while he has it is tough. When I fight vman, usually the only gimps I get is when he uses his double jump on stage and I juggle him all the way off stage. If he's off stage while he has his double jump, it's rare I'll get a gimp lol. I pretty much only get the kill if he's at a decently high percent.

 

[oukd]

Ha, this discussion reminds me - back when I just started I always played against a Yoshi main, and for the longest time I thought I was doing something wrong since I had so much more difficulty gimping (or even killing) Yoshi than I expected...turns out that if you're really smart with your double jumps you can avoid Pikachu's gimping tactics effectively. Starting at 76% you can dair through his super armor.

Spoiler

Falco's shine breaks it at 0% lolololol

 

[N64]

agree with axe and dkuo. It's probably 55:45 in favor of pikachu. Pika caaaaan gimp Yoshi, but it's more difficult than you'd probably expect at first (against decent yoshis anyway). Yoshi can do alright against you in the air, and generally beats you on the ground, so you need to manage a gimp or two each match to get ahead. He also has some relatively damaging combos on you. I think it's a fun matchup, but pretty even.

 

[leffen]

I feel like the matchup is 55-45 in Yoshis advantage tbh, maybe because I play PAL. Its probably even in NTSC though.

I feel like if yoshi just sticks to defensive, safe aerials and ground pokes he will win over Pikachus poor priority.

We definitely have to play at Apex Axe ;D

 

[Diske]

Hey guys, I'm new here.
I'm a pika main from Tijuana BC, Mexico.
It's been a long time since I start reading these threats, but I didn't posted anything.
Anyway, last friday I recorded a match with a friend, and I was wondering if anyone could help me with some advices of how do I play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3FkDcPvYoU
Thanks to all of you who read this.

 

[AXE 09]

I feel like the matchup is 55-45 in Yoshis advantage tbh, maybe because I play PAL. Its probably even in NTSC though.

I feel like if yoshi just sticks to defensive, safe aerials and ground pokes he will win over Pikachus poor priority.

We definitely have to play at Apex Axe ;D

Haha sounds good

Hey guys, I'm new here.
I'm a pika main from Tijuana BC, Mexico.
It's been a long time since I start reading these threats, but I didn't posted anything.
Anyway, last friday I recorded a match with a friend, and I was wondering if anyone could help me with some advices of how do I play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3FkDcPvYoU
Thanks to all of you who read this.

Holy crap a Pikachu main from MEXICO?!?! That's awesome! I'll watch your match in a little bit Welcome to the Pika boards

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

Hey guys, I'm new here.
I'm a pika main from Tijuana BC, Mexico.
It's been a long time since I start reading these threats, but I didn't posted anything.
Anyway, last friday I recorded a match with a friend, and I was wondering if anyone could help me with some advices of how do I play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3FkDcPvYoU
Thanks to all of you who read this.

Welcome to the Pika boards. :D Glad you decided to post!

As for the match, I love the offensive Pikachu. :D I'd definitely say switch your offensive playstyle with a defensive style sometimes, to keep them on their toes and make it harder to read your moves. Definitely needs more spotdodges. I can't go into specifics though because I'm not that experienced yet. An experienced Pika here can help you with that.

 

[Spyro]

Hey guys, I'm new here.
I'm a pika main from Tijuana BC, Mexico.
It's been a long time since I start reading these threats, but I didn't posted anything.
Anyway, last friday I recorded a match with a friend, and I was wondering if anyone could help me with some advices of how do I play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3FkDcPvYoU
Thanks to all of you who read this.

Hi and welcome to the boards. I can’t really help you out cause I don’t really have that much experience in real matches (mostly because I don’t have a ride to get to anyway [smashfests, tournaments, ect]). It is nice to see that more people are picking out Pikachu though .

 

[Diske]

Holy crap a Pikachu main from MEXICO?!?! That's awesome! I'll watch your match in a little bit Welcome to the Pika boards

LOL you're awesome man, and thanks for the welcome (=

Welcome to the Pika boards. :D Glad you decided to post!

As for the match, I love the offensive Pikachu. :D I'd definitely say switch your offensive playstyle with a defensive style sometimes, to keep them on their toes and make it harder to read your moves. Definitely needs more spotdodges. I can't go into specifics though because I'm not that experienced yet. An experienced Pika here can help you with that.

Spot dodges, yeah I barely do them, thanks for the advice and the welcome, it's great to be here.

Hi and welcome to the boards. I can’t really help you out cause I don’t really have that much experience in real matches (mostly because I don’t have a ride to get to anyway [smashfests, tournaments, ect]). It is nice to see that more people are picking out Pikachu though .

Thanks, and yeah, seen a pika play is like OH MY GOD DON'T STOP lol

 

[oukd]

Welcome to the Pika boards :D

I decided to write a little bit about your match. Granted I'm not the voice of authority here so if anyone disagrees with something I wrote feel free to point it out. This is more of an exercise for myself than anything, but I think this might be helpful.
[COLLAPSE="Diske vs AB"]overall the biggest thing you probably want to work on is to learn to conserve your 2nd jump on stage more often - you almost always doublejump forward (most of the times with an uair) to reset your position after getting hit/comboed (ie 0:18, 0:27 0:34 1:07 1:29 1:35 2:43 just to name a few) and a lot of times you end up getting punished for it. even though you're trying to gain back control with your jump, you're actually putting yourself in a position where you can be easily juggled/ko'd because you lose control of your falling trajectory + pikachu's low aerial horizontal velocity. teching/wiggling out of stun is safer simply because you retain your 2nd jump and you aren't stuck above your opponent without your doublejump. there are cases where it's safe to use it on stage though (2:11) as long as your opponent isn't in a position to punish it. (the reason i pointed this out is because i used to have the same problem. i still do it out of reaction sometimes >_< I used to use it because I didn't know you could just wiggle out of tumble and that was the only way i knew how to exit tumbling frames)

additionally, you'll want to focus on when to approach. you want to assess that your approach will be safe or have a good follow-up before going in. you should be looking for openings and poking holes in your opponent's playstyle rather than forcing an opening.

Some smaller points:
0:12 - see that point where you tried to punish his platform tech with your doublejump uair? unless your timing is insanely accurate, it's really hard to techchase with uair because hitbox window is so small (only 6 frames) making it easy to shield. an early nair here would have been better since it lasts longer (26 frames) meaning you could do it almost half a second early and still guarantee putting a hitbox on his first vulnerable frame (think meaties in traditional fighters). in this case you saw his roll so you could mash out a nair on reaction right after your first uair and it would have most likely hit. also in this specific case it would have been safer to not use a rising aerial in case he shields your punish attempt, which he did and probably tried to punish you for it since he put his shield down right after - as i said earlier, being above an opponent without your second jump is one of pika's most dangerous positions. if you fell to the bottom you would have still successfully put pressure on him with a falling aerial (even if he shielded it) plus you would be under a falcon on a platform which is a lot more advantageous of a position.

0:15 - always assume your opponent will react to you approaching them when they're on the ground. it's pretty easy to use getup attack invincibility on reaction to avoid someone attacking you when you're on the ground. if he did a getup attack you would have been punished for your hasty usmash (or it would have clashed, not sure...)

1:15 - don't charge in with a nair if falcon is just doing stationary nairs, it will usually hit you before you're even close to falcon. approach with nair when your opponent is vulnerable or off-guard, but nairing against someone being defensive

1:56 - i liked this :D putting a jolt on falcon on his getup frame. i'm going to keep this in mind.
[/COLLAPSE]Err yea. Hope that's helpful.

 

[AXE 09]

So Diske, I watched your match.

Aggressive Pikachu, I love that :D I think I'm an aggressive Pikachu too so I can relate

Make sure you Jump Cancel those grabs, it helps a lot and it makes it a LOT easier to chaingrab and you take less of a risk every time you grab =) Make sure to watch out for those Falcon Forward B's, I did notice they were getting you.

On the plus side, I love how you do Nair on his shield -> SH Uair =) I've been trying to do that lately too just to try it out cuz I'm not sure if it would be better than doing a full jump or not lol.

Anyways, keep up the good work! Looking forward to seeing more of this aggro Pika =)