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Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)
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feardragon64
Smash Champion
Do all characters clashes take the same amount of frames? Also, how many frames is that...or at least how many for Marth?
Pierce7d
Wise Hermit
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Each hit of Dancing Blade counts as a separate move, so it refreshes your set quickly. Also, it means that if you connect with only the last hit or two, you have major kill power.
Marth can boost pivot.
I'll ask in the Smash lab about clashing frame data tomorrow, but assuming yes since jabs just bump into each other over and over.
Marth can boost pivot.
I'll ask in the Smash lab about clashing frame data tomorrow, but assuming yes since jabs just bump into each other over and over.
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
"Each hit of Dancing Blade counts as a separate move, so it refreshes your set quickly. Also, it means that if you connect with only the last hit or two, you have major kill power."
Oh wow, can't believe I never knew that o.0
So from what you said, DB will refresh other moves, but it does not refresh itself, correct?
Oh wow, can't believe I never knew that o.0
So from what you said, DB will refresh other moves, but it does not refresh itself, correct?
Nike.
Smash Hero
Against ness, how can marth deal with retreated fair, both short and fastfall? DS out of shield wont work and fair doesnt seem to outrange his and I end up taking 1-2% everytime.
Down tilt his feet.
Whilst Marth is crouching, Ness has to move in closer, giving him less leeway to retreat as well.
And clashing moves has to do with HIT LAG.
Try clashing anything with Wolf's forward tilt and see what happens.
This allows Marth to use his JAB, with its 3 frames of hit lag only, to gain small frame advantages on clashes.
For example, using Jab to clash against Snake's ftilt. You get a few frames 'profit' for doing so, and as Snake's ftilt does outrange Marth for the most part, aiming for the clash to outspeed him (just like how a low tier/****ty character would against us *lol sigh*) usually gives Marth enough time for a guaranteed dancing blade (if you're prepared for it).
Whilst Marth is crouching, Ness has to move in closer, giving him less leeway to retreat as well.
And clashing moves has to do with HIT LAG.
Try clashing anything with Wolf's forward tilt and see what happens.
This allows Marth to use his JAB, with its 3 frames of hit lag only, to gain small frame advantages on clashes.
For example, using Jab to clash against Snake's ftilt. You get a few frames 'profit' for doing so, and as Snake's ftilt does outrange Marth for the most part, aiming for the clash to outspeed him (just like how a low tier/****ty character would against us *lol sigh*) usually gives Marth enough time for a guaranteed dancing blade (if you're prepared for it).
goodkid
Smash Lord
What does it take to become a good Marth main?(Dedication/Spacing/Matchups?)
How do I get better @ reading & predicting my opponents?
-It seems like everyone on this board knows how to do this.
How do I get better @ reading & predicting my opponents?
-It seems like everyone on this board knows how to do this.
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
Replies in red.
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Umm his Fsmash is fairly punishable and DB punishes rolls. Check the match-up thread for Lucario.HOW DO YOU BEAT A LUCARIO?! a fsmash of lucario cant be punished and he ca roll away too fastplz help
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
Lucario's fsmash barely has any cooldown, but the startup is very long. You shouldn't be giving him enough room/time to be consistently putting out fsmashes. pressure the **** out of him. Learn to be alert and pay attention to rolls so that you can punish with db or a smash. Also, knowing your opponents tendencies will help with punishing rolls and his fsmash as well, though that really shouldn't be a problem.
Reizilla
The Old Lapras and the Sea
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Is Steel2nd really a girl?
I never thought he was, which is odd, considering how usually when people have girl avatars, I usually think they're girls, but he used "she" when he was locking that other thread. I'm using "he" as a grammar rule, by the way.
One more thing, anybody know how long it usually takes to get a blue name?
I never thought he was, which is odd, considering how usually when people have girl avatars, I usually think they're girls, but he used "she" when he was locking that other thread. I'm using "he" as a grammar rule, by the way.
One more thing, anybody know how long it usually takes to get a blue name?
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
He's not a girl, and you need to host a in person tourney or wi-fi tourney to obtain a blue name.
Reizilla
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Ok, that's what I thought. And I already have hosted an in person tourney (2 actually) and applied and linked to the thread. That was a couple of days ago, so I just wanted to know how long I had to wait since I have another one coming up next weekend.
gopobox
Smash Journeyman
I have a question about db1 to grab...Well its more of a request
i never do this but ive seen some other people use this.
I just want to never everything there is to know about db1 to grab.
thanks in advance
i never do this but ive seen some other people use this.
I just want to never everything there is to know about db1 to grab.
thanks in advance
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
It's a mixup/gimmick depending on the person your playing. Since it's reaction to shield a DB, a safe on the block DB1 can lead into the grab.
gopobox
Smash Journeyman
Kk thanks for that.
ViCTORiOUSViC
Smash Apprentice
Is keeping Snake in the air the most reliable tactic in the match-up?
It seems really effective
It seems really effective
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
Juggling is one aspect of the game; however, you have to be able to play the ground as well.
ViCTORiOUSViC
Smash Apprentice
controlling the ground is a little difficult especially with all those mines on the ground
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
Actually, ther grenades are more the problem. His c4 is pretty easy to avoid and you can bait him into detonating it. The downsmash can be taken care of with your invincibility frames after death; you could also throw Snake into it.
It's not so much controlling the ground as it is just playing it. You need to be able to take care of both ground and air. Just don't get above him; that's hell on Earth.
ViCTORiOUSViC
Smash Apprentice
Oh ok I get what ur saying..although keeping him in the air is much easier for me
Thanks much
Thanks much
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
Yes, keeping him in the air is ideal. Snake is weak from below and Marth can juggle like a circus clown.
ViCTORiOUSViC
Smash Apprentice
Yea its pretty much very easy for Marth to do so
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
Wow thanks, I haven't been doing that.
Does it need to be a tourny on SWF, or could it be on another site like AiB?
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
The first hit of DB to SB is more of a gimmick and your at a frame disadvantage afterwards.
Ledge drop Sb is a nice little mix up to catch your opponent off guard.
smasher01
Smash Ace
what moves go through Metaknights tornado?
and what is the best way to shut down MK tornado game?
and what is the best way to shut down MK tornado game?
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Fsmash, UpB, the attack part of Counter, Dair (from above), Nair
Nair goes through it if well spaced.
It's just that when Tornado is used optimally, Up B isn't going to be effective out of shield. Nor is many other options on reaction...
It's just that when Tornado is used optimally, Up B isn't going to be effective out of shield. Nor is many other options on reaction...
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
Yeah. The MK can be Shaya'd even when hiding behind his whirling winds.
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
"Ledge drop Sb is a nice little mix up to catch your opponent off guard."
You don't need to jump after the ledge drop? o.0 That's cool...
You don't need to jump after the ledge drop? o.0 That's cool...
how2beat snake
i got beat today in tourny by 2 snakes
and one of them was lambchops, it was a pretty close match
the other snake was a pretty good one, but i just dont know the matchup
i think i got a replay of one of the matches so ill see if i can get it uploaded, but srsly, i was winnning until i got hit by an explosive
then it was like an exploding train wreck
\:
and yes i was sairing
i got beat today in tourny by 2 snakes
and one of them was lambchops, it was a pretty close match
the other snake was a pretty good one, but i just dont know the matchup
i think i got a replay of one of the matches so ill see if i can get it uploaded, but srsly, i was winnning until i got hit by an explosive
then it was like an exploding train wreck
\:
and yes i was sairing
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
Sairing? Shaya airing? or is it something else...
Predict possible times that he might DACUS into/towards you, and use a dtilt... it'll hit him out if he does come.
Keep him in the air... juggle him or something
Get rid of his downsmash (if needed) with your invincibility frames after you lose a stock or roll onto the stage or etc from the ledge.
Bait his ftilt and DB him
I find dtilt one of the more useful moves against Snake, just cus of its pokefulness
You can try to DS out of his ftilt / jab.
Catch his nades and glide throw into combos !!
Gimp?
Idk much actually about most of his individual moves...
Predict possible times that he might DACUS into/towards you, and use a dtilt... it'll hit him out if he does come.
Keep him in the air... juggle him or something
Get rid of his downsmash (if needed) with your invincibility frames after you lose a stock or roll onto the stage or etc from the ledge.
Bait his ftilt and DB him
I find dtilt one of the more useful moves against Snake, just cus of its pokefulness
You can try to DS out of his ftilt / jab.
Catch his nades and glide throw into combos !!
Gimp?
Idk much actually about most of his individual moves...
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
Whenever you feel like he might DACUS, (which, in most cases is when you're about half the distance of a snake dash away from him), then just throw out a dtilt. It'll hit him out of it and you can follow up with a DB.
If he throws nades at you, then you can use them to glide toss them back. It's a good way to get you closer to him.
If you start approaching him faster, he might start snake dashing to the other side more. Be prepared to dtilt.
Try to notice patterns. For example, when does he put down a mine? What does he do after the mine? Does he snake dash to the other side and then detonate it? Or does he snake dash away first to the middle of the stage then put down a mine? Learning his patterns will also help you predict when he will DACUS...
What I'm about to say may seem pretty obvious, but if you're still having trouble... if you've played Snake or have a good idea of how Snake plays like (which you probably do), then pretend that you're playing as Snake, isntead of Marth for a quick second. Think this: will a DACUS work here? If yes, throw out a dtilt. If no, then approach him like any other character.
If he throws nades at you, then you can use them to glide toss them back. It's a good way to get you closer to him.
If you start approaching him faster, he might start snake dashing to the other side more. Be prepared to dtilt
.Try to notice patterns. For example, when does he put down a mine? What does he do after the mine? Does he snake dash to the other side and then detonate it? Or does he snake dash away first to the middle of the stage then put down a mine? Learning his patterns will also help you predict when he will DACUS...
What I'm about to say may seem pretty obvious, but if you're still having trouble... if you've played Snake or have a good idea of how Snake plays like (which you probably do), then pretend that you're playing as Snake, isntead of Marth for a quick second. Think this: will a DACUS work here? If yes, throw out a dtilt. If no, then approach him like any other character.
Marthmaster92
Smash Champion
Quick question. Is marth's dtilt as good as it was in melee for edgeguarding? I went to a brawl tourney over the weekend, and times it was working and times it wasn't.