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Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
How do you guys like to deal with phantasm? I have the reaction time but the varying timing from the falcos side is messing with me(especially cuz the blue tint is my visual cue i've become accustomed to with pit and that's too early when trying to punish with marth a bunch of the time it seems). Is it better to give up the ledge trapping position in case they go for the ledge to better ensure a phantasm punishment if i believe they're going to go on stage? Is rolling backwards on reaction-->DB fast enough? Is dash shield--DB fast enough?
Just feel like i'm letting falco get away with phantasm too often. Unless it's really a 50-50situatioin with marth.
Just feel like i'm letting falco get away with phantasm too often. Unless it's really a 50-50situatioin with marth.
ScareMl
Smash Journeyman
just jab then punish
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
That's what i'm saying. Jab isn't consistent enough it seems. Not with the amount of mix-ups and timing variances.
You'd be surprised about forward tilt -
out for longer, starts low (as does jab), reaches out high and is not a move falco likes to get hit with in general (strong enough to hit them off stage/put them in awkward positions)
Reverse u tilt if you are within their second cancel range is pleasantly workable (if you think about it as a 8-9 frame start up that has a stupid hitbox)
Ducking can be helpful too.
In general though consistently handing falco's phantasm isn't easy with Marth.
out for longer, starts low (as does jab), reaches out high and is not a move falco likes to get hit with in general (strong enough to hit them off stage/put them in awkward positions)
Reverse u tilt if you are within their second cancel range is pleasantly workable (if you think about it as a 8-9 frame start up that has a stupid hitbox)
Ducking can be helpful too.
In general though consistently handing falco's phantasm isn't easy with Marth.
As.... falco?
ScareMl
Smash Journeyman
therefore, i've reached the conclusion that falco is impossible to ledge trap
dtilt and reverse stutter fsmash are all yoy need to ledge trap falco
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
hmmm forward tilt huh...i'll try that out. Thanks shaya.
Ya i'm used to just being able to angel ring on reaction
Ya i'm used to just being able to angel ring on reaction
As whatever the hell you are. Ppl here always just fsmash when I come back from the ledge and it seems like a pretty crappy option if you ask me, even if you manage to get hit by it it doesn't even tipper.
Yes LzR, they're just bad.
Kuro, if you can't get ftilit to work, back roll -> whatever works well. Dash shield wiill only get you hit since you can't shield until frame 17.
Related note: If you grab the ledge when Falco is offstage and going to use phantasm to recover, uair and nair are your two best options to beat it out and stop his recovery.
Kuro, if you can't get ftilit to work, back roll -> whatever works well. Dash shield wiill only get you hit since you can't shield until frame 17.
Related note: If you grab the ledge when Falco is offstage and going to use phantasm to recover, uair and nair are your two best options to beat it out and stop his recovery.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Thanks CJ!lol
Kel
Smash Master
Shaya when you came to the US did you tell everyone that they had to put vegemite behind their ears in Australia or else they would get drop-beared?
Pierce7d
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We need to not post false information on this thread.
The best ways to deal with Lucario's Fsmash is to powershield it.
Dancing Blade to UpB is not even a little bit real except when recovering, or trying to gimp specific fast falling characters.
Beating Phantasm has more to do with spacing, and less to do with hitboxes. Backwards roll is very effective.
Beating Quick Attack is best done mixing up typical ledgeguard aerials while keeping a cautious eye for a high recovery onto a platform.
We need to not post false information on this thread.
The best ways to deal with Lucario's Fsmash is to powershield it.
Dancing Blade to UpB is not even a little bit real except when recovering, or trying to gimp specific fast falling characters.
Beating Phantasm has more to do with spacing, and less to do with hitboxes. Backwards roll is very effective.
Beating Quick Attack is best done mixing up typical ledgeguard aerials while keeping a cautious eye for a high recovery onto a platform.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Thanks pierce. I'll keep that in mind.
ScareMl
Smash Journeyman
can i get a rundown on the game and watch MU? i have no idea what to do, what i should do, tricks marth has that gives him the advantage, etc.
Sylarius
Smash Ace
stop jumping and getting hit by a nair from under
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
NOOOOOO.
Falco NEVER EVER EVER wants to be off stage or on the ledge vs marth
dtilt and reverse stutter fsmash are all yoy need to ledge trap falco
you can use almost anything to edge trap falco his edge options are garbs.
Edit falcos ledge options in terms of mix ups aren't necessarily horrible, but the risk reward associated with each is.
^^^
As clarification I would like to say back roll is not effective as every character.
Metaknights roll is short ( in terms of duration of invincibility and length of movement) so he tends to get hit if he's trying to back roll the phantism. Snake and marth however can back roll phantism relatively easily.
Nicholas1024
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What are Marth's approaching options? I can play defensive fairly well, but it feels like approaching usually means I'm tossing empty F-airs hoping to bait a bad reaction. Once I get the initial hit for juggling/ledge trapping I know what to do, but I'm not as comfortable in the neutral position.
^ That's most of what the game offers in general when it comes to approaching.
A strong neutral position game requires good use of patience, walk and tippered grabs mainly. Walking is the best spacing tool in most match-ups [especially up close] and the consistent possibility to get a grab opens a wide spectrum of options. Ultimately, the better your play in a neutral position is the sooner you should be obtaining a more advantageous position.
A strong neutral position game requires good use of patience, walk and tippered grabs mainly. Walking is the best spacing tool in most match-ups [especially up close] and the consistent possibility to get a grab opens a wide spectrum of options. Ultimately, the better your play in a neutral position is the sooner you should be obtaining a more advantageous position.
Marth-A-Thon
Smash Rookie
Is The Ken combo Hard? if so....
Easy way to initiate it?
Easy way to initiate it?
clowsui
Smash Legend
Can't do the Ken Combo in Brawl
Marth-A-Thon
Smash Rookie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoVKFaJ0Gy0&feature=relmfu This Is it if im not mistaken
DKMikey
Smash Journeyman
A Ken Combo is simply a fair to a jump dair. In Brawl, it's not guaranteed due to the reduced hitstun.
Marth-A-Thon
Smash Rookie
Oh ok So its more a Chance then Just flowing
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Actually the hitstun is the same as melee. It's just that it's canceable and a couple other factors makes it not like melee. When the project M ppl were going into the game to make it they found that out.
DKMikey
Smash Journeyman
How do I do a Super Ramin Cancel?
Zano
Smash Master
you don't, only ramin does
ScareMl
Smash Journeyman
um...that's not what i said. i said it's hard for marth, who has legit ledge trapping tools, to trap falco. It is hard...
Kel
Smash Master
Someone teach me how to resnap on to the ledge really quick. I think Up B is used but Im not sure.
Sylarius
Smash Ace
Yes, it's up b, you just can't do it super fast or else you won't regrab the ledge
ScareMl
Smash Journeyman
It's more so important about your position in terms of the ledge you're trying to grab on to.
Cassio
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4-23 / 44 Samus[/collapse]Sorry if this question is generic, but what are the uses of marths forwards roll? What would be considered good uses for it (MU specific is fine too)? Im doing some roll research.
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4-23 / 44 Samus[/collapse]Sorry if this question is generic, but what are the uses of marths forwards roll? What would be considered good uses for it (MU specific is fine too)? Im doing some roll research.
Kel
Smash Master
Oh so it's just spacing the Up B? Is it actually safer/ faster than just regrabbing the edge using jumping or does it just look flashy/ tricky?