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Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)
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Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
@Punishment Divine
O RLY?! Hah that's cool, didn't know that
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O RLY?! Hah that's cool, didn't know that
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Tophes
Smash Cadet
You're gonna have to SDI like mad towards the IC's though.
As for the buffered throws, to tell if you buffered the throw correctly, the sound of the grab would not come in effect and instead would just lead to a throw. If one were to grab someone but not try to buffer, the grab sound would come into play.
As for the buffered throws, to tell if you buffered the throw correctly, the sound of the grab would not come in effect and instead would just lead to a throw. If one were to grab someone but not try to buffer, the grab sound would come into play.
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
ooo, thanks =D
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
^^^^
@buffering stuff
Ahh sweet :D
@buffering stuff
Ahh sweet :D
Megavitamins
Smash Champion
So... Marth's pivot walk. I've tried it, and I've come to the conclusion that if you need to hold a + the c-stick, and you only have one thumb, it's difficult to do. Any tips?
you assume a "claw" position with your fingers as you were to with a DAC sheik upsmash (i do at least), you put your index finger on the A button and move your thumb down to the c-stick. i don't really incorporate that in my gameplay, might be good for mind games though idk
LinkThePointyHattedMage
Smash Rookie
I'm sure that this question has been asked before, but I really am having difficulty understanding how this works. What causes Marth to fall down again after using his upB towards a ledge while looking like you sweetspotted it? I'm thinking that it's because you just slide off the edge somehow, but I'm not confident in that method. I'm sorry for asking this again probably, but I simply just don't understand.
NeoCrono
Smash Ace
ello Marth mains, I just wanted some general advice. Like some OoS options and how to establish control in a match?
also I wanted to know how do you guys keep from getting frustrated during a match?
also I wanted to know how do you guys keep from getting frustrated during a match?
LinkThePointyHattedMage
Smash Rookie
I like to retreat whenever an opponent is destroying me. It gives me a chance to think what to do + if the person charges after you, you have more options.
For the OoS options, DB and Grab seem to be the most popular. I'd stick with DB though since it's much better as a damage racker.
Establishing control is fairly easy when you have your opponent above you. Marth has a great juggling game.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
After Marth's grab release hoe muvh of an advantage is their frame wise? IS there one? Or is it character specific? What are some possible follow ups after a grab releasE? On the ground.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
It depends on the character, but against most there is no frame advantage or consistent options. You could try anything after a grab release, just read your opponent
OoS options:
DB, usmash, DS, grab, full hop retreating dair
to get in/stay in control:
pressure, pressure, pressure
every character in the game has 30 frames of lag after a ground release. Doesn't matter if you're the one being grabbed or grabbing. Exceptions are Bowser who is 20 frames of lag when grabbing, DK 20 when grabbed, 40 for the mother boys when being grabbed
DB, usmash, DS, grab, full hop retreating dair
to get in/stay in control:
pressure, pressure, pressure
every character in the game has 30 frames of lag after a ground release. Doesn't matter if you're the one being grabbed or grabbing. Exceptions are Bowser who is 20 frames of lag when grabbing, DK 20 when grabbed, 40 for the mother boys when being grabbed
there isn't any true ground grab release combos other than on ness and lucas that i know of, but if you do release on ground you can usually go for a regrab or any quick follow up cause they usually aren't expecting it. i wouldn't use it more than once or twice a match though cause they can catch on to it really fast if they're not dumb
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
It is simply a glitch with how the stage handles the UpB on the ledge. It's ok, you asked it in the right place
Not possible, the only time you can SDI something is when you are actually being hit. Grab Releasing(To my knowledge) does not do any damage. So there is nothing to support that theory, if it were possible it would be quite the phenomenon.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Not true, EIDI (how Ness gets out of what used to be our infinite) uses both sticks to get further away from our release, and out of our regrab range.
Can't you just walk up a little and grab again to counteract that?
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
You can dash grab, but then its just a cg instead of an infinite.
SuSa
Banned via Administration
Except many people (SCOTU used to, he probably still does) and myself don't believe EIDI actually exists.
Lucas simply holds back, if you do the same with Ness you MIGHT get released.
I feel like testing it more, but I've been able to deathgrab Ness's who say they were trying to EIDI.
Tophes
Smash Cadet
Mind redefining what EIDI is again please?
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
So I assume the reverse pivot grab experiment ended in failure?
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
It remains untested xP
I should test that later, i'll get a buddy over to try it with me.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Ok, I'm really interested, I would test it myself but I don't have debugging and me and my bro are probably not the best choices to play the chars.
Basically regular DI plus smash DI diagonally away, it allows you to move a bit farther (which allows you to escape Marth's ground release infinite), that's Extra Inch DI.
Not PT, just squirtle, basically keep air releasing until you get over the edge, then sweetspotted dair, it's a true combo.
gallax
Smash Hero
hey guys. what is the best way to momentum cancel with marth? for me, i use fair when hit horizontally and uair when hit vertically.
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
Where do people get the idea that they should be using different aerials depending on the direction that they are sent? Always fair, always.
NeoCrono
Smash Ace
What are some safe ways to get back on the stage?
well, marth's recovery is very gimpable, so you have to be unpredictable with your recoveries. i think it's best to recovery low, but leave enough room that if they ledgehog you can still make it up on the stage. just read your opponent and do whatever is appropriate to their movement. and don't forget to throw in some side B stalls if you need to but dont' be predictable with it
AvoiD
Smash Lord
"Does Falco's Dthrow > Jab > Shield avoid the UpB 100% of the time? Might be a more effective method at CGing Marth past 18%. If that did work of course."
__crystal____'s question. Just CPed.
__crystal____'s question. Just CPed.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
I would assume that you would have to have perfect or near perfect timing, and even then I'm not sure if it would work.
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
@ Bengalz : You sure you have to Dash Grab? When a Ness tries to SDI away from me I just walk forward slightly and regrab.
Pierce7d
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No, because good Marth's will not Up B 100% of the time. Shield is a safe option, but I would suggest just using options that you have as surefire follow-ups. Dthrow -> Dthrow -> Dash Attack -> Gatling Usmash is probably a way to go.
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
Yea, I meant to edit that, then I just kinda didn't lol
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
Lol ok good XD I wouldn't want yet another character to be able to escape Marth's ICG lol. I love grabs <3.
NeoCrono
Smash Ace
What are some options on the ledge? I just know ledge jump F-air or ledge jump U-air..... I'm a scrub lol
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
Hi Marths. I'm hippie I play Marth in a scrub level, ask PD or Minty I lurk alot here.
I was wondering if any of you guys true pivot or fox trot (I get these terms mixed up heavily alot so excuse my nubiness) like you run pivot and do the fsmash. I read Junk's thread on it but I can't seem to do it mostly cause I end up doing a dash attack >_>. So any inputs Marths?
I was wondering if any of you guys true pivot or fox trot (I get these terms mixed up heavily alot so excuse my nubiness) like you run pivot and do the fsmash. I read Junk's thread on it but I can't seem to do it mostly cause I end up doing a dash attack >_>. So any inputs Marths?
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
Using a true pivot to approach with fsmash is like the most unsafe thing you can do xD
I'd highly recommend against it.
Fox trotting is also pretty useless, but some people do use it occasionally.
True pivots are good for other things, though.