mikeHAZE
Smash Legend
if they upb it, you're doing it too late.
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- Thread starter Pierce7d
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if they upb it, you're doing it too late.
Soo, yeah. Just repeating what I heard and where I heard it from
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
they seem to get out of mine out of training mode or in it. that means im waiting too long on the grabs, hmm? back to the practice ring =D
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
bleh. buffer. I wish I could get that right >.<
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
Lol is this why you guys could pull off like 7 grabs on a Fox? I never knew you could do that. Good job bringing that up XD
Although if you really can chaingrab a fox that long, that would be awsome.
@Thunder
Yeah it will feel really wierd, but try to input the run before it seems like you even threw the Fox (as in when Marth is still in the throwing animation).
sorry my wording on that post was a little unclear. the chain grab only works OUT of training mode, in a real match. and it DOESN'T work in training mode. you really can chain fox for that long.
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
There are a lot of Smash n00bs and Smash children these days... Hail to the Marth Mains!
can you still grab release>dair MK if he jump escapes?
jump escape? The GR has to be aerial ("jump" out of your grab) for any legitimate follow-ups (since you're given 50 frames to react), otherwise you're given a standard 30 frames, a neutral position between your Dolphins and his Smash of Down.
Or something like that.
But yeah, you can do that if you buffer accordingly and are at a specific location of the stage when you do so.
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
OH i see :D That's sweet... ima go practice that now XD. I was thinking that since moves don't decay in training mode, that you could chaingrab them longer since you wouldn't have to pummel to get your grab range fresh.
Wait what?
You only have 21 frame advantage on an aerial grab release on MK.
Ground is zero.
You really only have 29 frames to react.
Grab release to spike on MK is situational in an utmost degree.
I think if every topic Shaya ever made was stickied the Marth boards would always be knowledgeable.
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Shaya's elitism is actually true, he owns us with Marth's frame game =P
ViCTORiOUSViC
Smash Apprentice
this frame thing always been confusing to me
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
Lol. Frames are a wonderful thing to have, since you can look at em and see what attacks link better with which XD. Except that with frames, it destroys the method of just screwing around and trying different attack combinations, and so you can easily check if something's a combo or not, and things are figured out sooner... well whatever XD.
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
It's just cause you haven't looked into if Victor, go read the tactical forums, then come back and figure out some more Shaya type combos for Marth 
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
Is there an easy way to tell whether or not you buffered the run out of the grab >.<
ViCTORiOUSViC
Smash Apprentice
everything
and Rukk..iunno about that..i dont think i would get it
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
experience.
research.
practice.
marth.
These are what makes a good smasher. I lack each except the fourth, and apply the first two to the third =D
No lie, I read notes on frame data, psuedo combos, general information, etc... on sheik, ROB and marth during civics this whole year. and it helped like crazy. Just find time and LEARN. the PRACTICE what you LEARN. then with EXPERIENCE LEARN to utilize what you PRACTICE in matches with MARTH and other characters.
C wut I did thar???!
DemonicTrilogy
Smash Lord
What are your approaches to a person in a shield if you are in the air?
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
Shieldbreaker is fun for a mixup.
Dancing Blade is great for sheild pressure.
Fair/Nair are nice for spacing to avoid their shield grab (reccommended).
kingcobra9
Smash Ace
that is my favorite
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
is there? I was never answered =\
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Just the frame data, if you buffer, you do it on the first possible frame, which unfortunately is rather difficult to know.
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
If you can notice a difference of a few frames then yea, otherwise no.
That's what I was getting at.
btw, a frame is 1/60 of a second. The average person reacts in about 13/60 seconds, the average smasher 10/60, and the best humanly possible is about 7/60. Assuming they are primed to react of course, otherwise it's about a second.
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
so how do i knowz if im buffering the run successfully? by whether or not it links?
ViCTORiOUSViC
Smash Apprentice
i mean i alrdy applied to Marth, and practice, but i lack research and a little of experience...or maybe not because i only learn from watching matches and asking questions
Zeruel21
Smash Journeyman
Approximately where is the sweetspot on the Falchion? I have a feel for it when fighting, but I'd like to have a specific location so I can think about where it goes during attack animations (like on the backswing of nair). I'm not sure how large it is along the blade, either.
Pierce7d
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Uh, do not hit a shield with Dancing Blade if it can be avoided.
NARUTOG, I'm willing to guess that you're at a level of play where I would NEVER use Marth's Dair. Just use your Fair to hit opponent's who are trying to recover. At almost all levels of play meteor smashing is not good with Marth.
The best way to get a feel for the sweetspots on attacks is just to fight a lot. It's near the tip of the sword.
NARUTOG, I'm willing to guess that you're at a level of play where I would NEVER use Marth's Dair. Just use your Fair to hit opponent's who are trying to recover. At almost all levels of play meteor smashing is not good with Marth.
The best way to get a feel for the sweetspots on attacks is just to fight a lot. It's near the tip of the sword.
Pierce7d "The best way to ... sweetspot ... attacks. It's near the tip of the sword."
I didnt know Marf's sword had a sweetspotz near the endz of the sawd!
I didnt know Marf's sword had a sweetspotz near the endz of the sawd!
I worded it wrong; stop being nitpicky Shaya. You won't make friends in the Americas like that! >=(
50 frames to react would be amazing btw; great for old men like me
Shaya stop assuming people know these things! I didn't know Marth had a tip until this year! I thought it was some SSBB hitlag glitch. <_<
Yoshi Kirishima
Smash Lord
Lol.
Yeah, the sweetspot is all around the tip of the sword during a swing, not just one point in the sword. Just go to practice (or practice in the Practice Stage when waiting for a WiFI match) and hit the sandbag/CPU around.
The tip is very narrow (talking about distance away from marth, NOT the swing of the sword). It's about as long as if you were to slightly tap the control stick to the side to make Marth walk the slightest possible, like one step or less.
Yeah, the sweetspot is all around the tip of the sword during a swing, not just one point in the sword. Just go to practice (or practice in the Practice Stage when waiting for a WiFI match) and hit the sandbag/CPU around.
The tip is very narrow (talking about distance away from marth, NOT the swing of the sword). It's about as long as if you were to slightly tap the control stick to the side to make Marth walk the slightest possible, like one step or less.
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
The "tip" varies throughout the length of the sword, growing larger at the back. For this reason, I pivot before jumping off of the edge if I see a dair tipper possibility.
Here's a good way to get the general idea of where the tip is:
Start a match (not on wifi) against anyone on any stage with any settings.
Jump into the air
Dair
Pause the game
Look at the color that follows the sword's path
The white part is the tipper area
Here's a good way to get the general idea of where the tip is:
Start a match (not on wifi) against anyone on any stage with any settings.
Jump into the air
Dair
Pause the game
Look at the color that follows the sword's path
The white part is the tipper area
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
tech after the fair or just DI in after the fair to avoid getting locked.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Yes, this is true as far as I know.