Apex 2015 Game Lineup Announced!

[Cotton]

If Nintendo really want to support the community they should away least not condemn PM. Project M if nothing else is a sign of how dedicated the community is to Smash and although it's a mod Nintendo could at least respect the community that made it. Furthermore, it's not as if Nintendo loses money from PM you still have to buy brawl to play it. I guess ultimately Nintendo see that it's a mod and feel the need to disassociate with it but I truly feel that if they at the very least accepted it, they don't need to support it, it would be a big show to the community.

 

[Vigilante]

you guys took Melee and tried to shove it in brawl because it was not "melee enough" am I missing something?

Yes, you are. You fail to realize that we have Brawl players working with us (Reflex ring a bell?). Whilst the majority of the PM Dev team prefers Melee as a game, that hardly qualifies as elitism. We liked Melee better, we made a game that takes more inspiration from Melee.

It was never shoved down your throat, nor is anyone forcing you to play it. We made it for our sake and for the sake of anyone who prefers the faster combat style which includes the advanced techniques many enjoy. If we were elitists, we'd attempt to force you to play the game. We however are leaving it up to the players. On the other hand, taking offense to PM's existence could be considered a form of elitism as it's basically saying "I don"t like that other people play this way".

Brawl modding was the easiest, most efficient way to achieve this goal. I'm sorry to say this, but you are clearly not understanding the intent of Project M. If youw ant to talk about it privately, I can entertain you.

 

[PillsBuryDopeBoy]

Even though I'm really salty about PM not being held during apex, this is going to be a very hype filled apex nonetheless.

 

[C-SAF]

you guys took Melee and tried to shove it in brawl because it was not "melee enough" am I missing something?

Melee was before brawl, its never made sense to me when people say brawl was better. Brawl took elements of its predecessor out. From a pure gameplay perspective, brawl looks like it is earlier than 64. Its really simplified.

 

[C-SAF]

Accidental double post

 

[arcticfox8]

just play the game you like bruh
if someone else likes a different game that's fine too
I can like my game you can like your game and we can coexist
we just have to cut out the elitist cancer and we can all have fun
because that is why we're here right?
to have fun?

 

[MudkipUniverse]

This will not be good if Nintendo starts sponsoring tournaments; It is simply product placement. Also, the only reason people want to enter sm4sh is because It's new.

 

[ToadsterOven]

This will not be good if Nintendo starts sponsoring tournaments; It is simply product placement. Also, the only reason people want to enter sm4sh is because It's new.

*facepalm* I know quite a few people interested in playing smash 4 competitively and it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that its "new".

Also, Nintendo sponsoring tournaments from here on out is not "product placement". They just want to ensure 4 gets the attention it deserves. Notice how the big N doesn't care if the other three games are at APEX. Those games are old and won't do much harm if any to 4's competitive scene.

 

[The Soap]

*Also, Nintendo sponsoring tournaments from here on out is not "product placement". They just want to ensure 4 gets the attention it deserves. Notice how the big N doesn't care if the other three games are at APEX. Those games are old and won't do much harm if any to 4's competitive scene.

That's pretty much the definition of product placement.

 

[C-SAF]

*facepalm* I know quite a few people interested in playing smash 4 competitively and it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that its "new".

Also, Nintendo sponsoring tournaments from here on out is not "product placement". They just want to ensure 4 gets the attention it deserves. Notice how the big N doesn't care if the other three games are at APEX. Those games are old and won't do much harm if any to 4's competitive scene.

Im pretty sure it being new is the big appeal right now, since that's the only thing anyone can comment as a fact.

And its all product placement and legal stuff, if Nintendo could get rid of the other games too it would. In fact if nintendo could get rid of the entire tournament scene they would. They cant though so now they are making the best of it.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

This is disgusting.

Reading things like this make me sad that I'm a competitive Smash player.

 

[Vigilante]

just play the game you like bruh
if someone else likes a different game that's fine too
I can like my game you can like your game and we can coexist
we just have to cut out the elitist cancer and we can all have fun
because that is why we're here right?
to have fun?

I actually like your mindset. Gaming's about having fun. The drama is not adding to that.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Ah well. Cause I won't be caring as much about Apex since PM is not in the lineup.

Its sad that it only takes ONE game thats not even a game but a mod/hack of a game for people to lose support for something and throw threats

 

[ToadsterOven]

Im pretty sure it being new is the big appeal right now, since that's the only thing anyone can comment as a fact.

And its all product placement and legal stuff, if Nintendo could get rid of the other games too it would. In fact if nintendo could get rid of the entire tournament scene they would. They cant though so now they are making the best of it.

No they would not. Don't go starting drama for the sake of it please. Nintendo's been nothing but supportive of the competitive smash community since their lawyers now hilarious in hindsight blunder back at EVO 2013. They've even said they are intrigued by Project M. As for it not being part of Apex 2015's lineup, that's more due to the fact its (by legal definition) an illegal modification of Brawl and all it would take is one appearance at a major fighting game tournament and BAM, no more Project M!

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

just play the game you like bruh
if someone else likes a different game that's fine too
I can like my game you can like your game and we can coexist
we just have to cut out the elitist cancer and we can all have fun
because that is why we're here right?
to have fun?

Smashboards, the Internet, the general Smash community, the general gaming community, and world itself need more people like you.

 

[CyberZixx]

Its sad that it only takes ONE game thats not even a game but a mod/hack of a game for people to lose support for something and throw threats

What is wrong with that? Is it the game I was most looking forward to at Apex and since it is not there I am less hype for the event. if smash 4 were not there many people would be less interested. What is wrong with this? The threats I do not agree with. Like it or not, Apex can host whatever games they want.

 

[C-SAF]

No they would not. Don't go starting drama for the sake of it please. Nintendo's been nothing but supportive of the competitive smash community since their lawyers now hilarious in hindsight blunder back at EVO 2013. They've even said they are intrigued by Project M. As for it not being part of Apex 2015's lineup, that's more due to the fact its (by legal definition) an illegal modification of Brawl and all it would take is one appearance at a major fighting game tournament and BAM, no more Project M!

How was that drama? I said part of it was legal? I also said they were making the best of the situation (in their view) by giving the competitive scene attention. I doubt they want to though, its just that it wont go away. Just my view on it, not drama.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

What is wrong with that? Is it the game I was most looking forward to at Apex and since it is not there I am less hype for the event. if smash 4 were not there many people would be less interested. What is wrong with this? The threats I do not agree with. Like it or not, Apex can host whatever games they want.

But one ...hack shouldnt piss you off to the point you give up all together. thats not good. If Smash 4 wasnt there, there will still be people there for 64 and meele. Brawl, Im not sure about.

 

[Black Mantis]

you guys took Melee and tried to shove it in brawl because it was not "melee enough" am I missing something?

Exactly. Marvel 3 is looked down upon by old school Marvel players. Do you see them modding it to make the game more like Marvel 2? Same argument applies for Street Fighter 4 and 3rd strike too. Did the people who went into Project M really think that this was going to last forever and that the parent company wouldn't take action? This is not PC gaming where mods thrive.

 

[Sleeplost]

A piece of copyright infringed software isn't allowed due to the fact that the initial creators of the software are supporting the tournament?

I THINK I SOLVED THIS MYSTERY, GANG!

 

[King Donkey Kong]

PM in itself is just a giant manifestation of melee elitism, they literally took a game and and changed it so that it could play just like Melee, imo im kinda glad its being taken out of the spotlight

This is the best post in this whole topic.

Coming from someone who finds melee boring in general. (It was fun back in the day, now it's played out)

 

[ShrekItRalph]

just play the game you like bruh
if someone else likes a different game that's fine too
I can like my game you can like your game and we can coexist
we just have to cut out the elitist cancer and we can all have fun
because that is why we're here right?
to have fun?

But I'm far to insecure to accept that people like different things than what I do.

 

[devo_]

this might as well be the death sentence then, Nintendo is finally supporting the competitive scenes, they dont want to support tournaments that showcase a mod of one of their games. If it is at another major I would be surprised

They are NOT supporting the competitive scene. They are supporting Smash 4.

 

[arcticfox8]

Smash game or not PM has earned it's place in the community
Being excluded from Apex sucks
But at this point there's nothing we can do but move on

 

[TopTierPichu]

They are NOT supporting the competitive scene. They are supporting Smash 4.

you do realize Nintendo sponsored EVO right? That is kinda peak of the competitive scene

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

Here's my quick thoughts.

Most likely, Nintendo is involved in PM's absence. I dont think it's right necessarily, but I could understand why.

PM is a great game. It combines the most notable elements of 64, Melee, and Brawl and creates a product that can be enjoyed by a wide variety of players.

I DEFINITELY don't think PM outshines Smash 4 as a whole, but it does outshine Smash 4 in several aspects.

So, with Nintendo wanting to promote their new game, they probably didn't want competition from a mod of one of their official games.

Whatever, what do I know?

 

[SuperHyperMegaTurbo]

I'm really disappointed in this game lineup. Without inclusion of Super Smash Bros. Crusade, I'm just not as hyped as I was hoping I'd be. Oh well, at least the four actual games are there, I guess that's something.
...[sarcasm!]

 

[Newt Floss]

Nintendo wouldn't be dropping Smash 4 if they were to buy Project M.

There's nothing to buy. Nintendo owns the game. It doesn't matter if anything's been added through hacks or modifications. Nintendo owns it all. Capcom didn't buy the Rainbow Edition hack when they made Hyper Fighting.

None of this matters because Project M isn't worth their attention.

 

[RascalTheCharizard]

Here's some logic for you:

I never said I didn't like Brawl, I spent so many hours on that game fyi.

I just don't see a reason to go back to Brawl when Smash 4 is way better, and to quote, " what Brawl should've been".

I never said I didn't like Brawl either. What I was saying was that its significance as a competitive title has been exponentially decreasing post-Apex 2014 and has now reached the point where there's no reason to go back because of Smash 4 and PM. Mostly Smash 4 though, because Smash 4's playerbase is already shaping up to be more similar to Brawl's than PM's.

I was a competitive Brawl player myself. I enjoyed the game casually and competitively but there were aspects of the game I didn't like (if not outright hated) like the gratuitous chaingrabbing, which PM mostly and Smash 4 completely did away with.

 

[ShadyWolfe]

No one is doubting how good PM is or how passionate the people involved in the modding but it still has no place in a tourny even if it has been there before. Shame on those that are saying it is melee elitism that crap has nothing to do with anything about PMs legitimacy.

 

[Will-O-Wisp]

you do realize Nintendo sponsored EVO right? That is kinda peak of the competitive scene

Them sponsoring EVO and everything before that was just to promote Smash 4. Even Regi's message at the beginning of Top 8 was just one big advertisement. Plus I'm pretty sure every single commercial during the Melee stream was for Mario Kart 8, so Nintendo probably just bought adspace. They didn't bring setups, the venue wasn't substantially nicer, nothing changed except now they have their names on the sponsor list.

 

[King Donkey Kong]

lol ppl think Nintendo is pushing for competitive. WHAT

They sponsored EVO to advertise their games, derp.

 

[arcticfox8]

No one is doubting how good PM is or how passionate the people involved in the modding but it still has no place in a tourny even if it has been there before. Shame on those that are saying it is melee elitism that crap has nothing to do with anything about PMs legitimacy.

Why tho?
If the people want tourneys, let them have tourneys. Being a mod shouldn't change that.
Like I said, we're all here to have fun, and we shouldn't let trivial philosophies get in the way of that.

 

[Ogopogo]

Why would there be a 3DS tournament if Wii U is already present? Idiots.

 

[King Donkey Kong]

You guys can have PM tournaments in your basements if you want...real tournaments will use real games.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Why tho?
If the people want tourneys, let them have tourneys. Being a mod shouldn't change that.
Like I said, we're all here to have fun, and we shouldn't let trivial philosophies get in the way of that.

Because Project M isnt a full fledged game, its a hack but yes, to each his own

 

[The Soap]

You guys can have PM tournaments in your basements if you want...real tournaments will use real games.

game- a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement or for that of spectators.

Seems like a real game to me.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

game- a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement or for that of spectators.

Seems like a real game to me.

But is it an actual game...? I'm pretty sure it is a Hack and not a real on the shelves game.

 

[The Soap]

But is it an actual game...? I'm pretty sure it is a Hack and not a real on the shelves game.

Smash 4 was available by digital release. Does that make Smash 4 not a real game?

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Smash 4 was available by digital release. Does that make Smash 4 not a real game?

No its a real game because NINTENDO, an actual company,made it. It was digital and retail so there is that. Project M is a hack