Apex 2015 Game Lineup Announced!

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

But People Die When they are killed

*gasp*

 

[Wiley]

Bleh... I never heard about this,

"I will never forget Genesis where Brawl was being placed on the main projector screen and the ENTIRE crowd started chanting "**** BRAWL!" over and over again until it was forced to be taken down for Melee. That was in the early years mind you. That has stuck with me for a long time."

But I couldn't be more disappointed with our community for hearing about this moment. That's enough to want to quit for a lot of people. So shameful. The correct response was to kick them all out, not give in to the mob mentality. It's hard being one of the older folk who has had nothing but fun with the game since 64, trying to get into the competitive scene when you hear about this kind of bull****.

I'm all for competition, but if these are the ilk that I have to face, I feel I have already won regardless of on screen outcomes. Sad bunch.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Bleh... I never heard about this,

"I will never forget Genesis where Brawl was being placed on the main projector screen and the ENTIRE crowd started chanting "**** BRAWL!" over and over again until it was forced to be taken down for Melee. That was in the early years mind you. That has stuck with me for a long time."

But I couldn't be more disappointed with our community for hearing about this moment. That's enough to want to quit for a lot of people. So shameful. The correct response was to kick them all out, not give in to the mob mentality. It's hard being one of the older folk who has had nothing but fun with the game since 64, trying to get into the competitive scene when you hear about this kind of bull****.

Its best to just play for fun

 

[Wiley]

Its best to just play for fun

luckily I don't have issues with that personally :D just looking at the community under a microscope with that little moment. I don't judge everyone by that little window, but that is pretty sad in my books.

 

[ImmortalSeasons]

This "community" is proving to be a joke. Damn shame.

 

[arcticfox8]

Shutting down a whole community because of a few bad eggs seems like the mature thing to do

 

[SleezyWeezel]

I guess it's alright that PM is gone now that Smash Wii U is coming. But, man I'm actually pretty hyped for the ORAS event. Seems like it'll be lots of fun with that and Smash Wii U.

 

[Lopson]

Don't take a barking dog too seriously, it most likely won't bite.

 

[Johnknight1]

All of you people that are complaining and threatening the APEX staff over this are a bunch of pathetic low lifes.

I play Project M like many other people do. If I had been going to APEX I would have loved to enter the competition, though I'm gunning for Smash 4. But this? All these comments? The butthurt? The THREATS to Alex and his friends?

If Alex really is moving on after this, christ I don't blame him. You are all a bunch of sorry *******s that don't even DESERVE to play this game, let alone have an opinion on it.

For those that read this and are one of those people that have pushed Alex to this extreme, shame on you. Shame on ALL of you. In one instance this community is all hunky-dory nice to one another (One Unit for Melee at EVO), but the next a TO takes out a game from the line-up and suddenly we become snarling wild animals. Do you see the Street Fighter III scene or II scene ripping on EVO for not having those games be main events? Certainly not as much as you see the bull**** that's being spewed out of our mouths.

I am angry. I am actually really angry right now.

I hate to say this, and as much as I love the game too, but as punishment I hope that Nintendo shuts Project M DOWN just to teach you all a lesson. I'm that mad and will probably take back what I said later, but right now? Oh this is not cool.

Whether you come from Melee, 64, Brawl, respect the decisions of a tournament organizer. Criticize and show disappointment. But don't be so belligerent as to say "**** APEX. I'm gonna kill you. You're all a bunch of hack sellouts. HOW DARE YOU!" after so many years of quality entertainment and providing amazing APEX moments, we're suddenly calling them the bad guys?

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While I'm ranting, I may as well say this. For the Melee/Brawl/PM elitism?

I will never forget Genesis where Brawl was being placed on the main projector screen and the ENTIRE crowd started chanting "**** BRAWL!" over and over again until it was forced to be taken down for Melee. That was in the early years mind you. That has stuck with me for a long time.

This comment and all people who support it are cancers to the community.

This comment says the actions of the few make everyone guilty.

That's flat out evil in the same way death threats are evil (although not as evil), and this site should punish these kind of posts.

After all, if we are guilty of others sins, then every crime and son any human committed is each and every one of our faults.

It's simply logical fallacy. This terribly contrived is what happens when logic is missing and logic and emotion is your only (terrible) argument.

If we are to truly be #OneUnit we as smash brothers and sisters must stick together, punish and call out the bad, love the good, and continue to support one another. If we bury fans of a game for the actions of a few anaymous people who we don't even know the actions of, aren't we the villains as well=???

Purging entire communities for their interests is easy sure, but thinking isn't mich harder and honestly in the long run it leads to better results.

 

[Kuraudo]

This comment and all people who support it are cancers to the community.

This comment says the actions of the few make everyone guilty.

That's flat out evil in the same way death threats are evil (although not as evil), and this site should punish these kind of posts.

After all, if we are guilty of others sins, then every crime and son any human committed is each and every one of our faults.

It's simply logical fallacy. This terribly contrived is what happens when logic is missing and logic and emotion is your only (terrible) argument.

If we are to truly be #OneUnit we as smash brothers and sisters must stick together, punish and call out the bad, love the good, and continue to support one another. If we bury fans of a game for the actions of a few anaymous people who we don't even know the actions of, aren't we the villains as well=???

Purging entire communities for their interests is easy sure, but thinking isn't mich harder and honestly in the long run it leads to better results.

With all due respect, One Unit is a lie. And what I said is evil in the same line of death threats? Really? Are you being serious right now?

I was angry when I went through all the negativity that had followed into threats. And let's be real here. If the APEX staff (Alex Strife specifically) are under pressure to the point that he's stepping DOWN because of it? Something is wrong there. If it were simply just a few anonymous people, would it really be such a big deal? Clearly it's impacted the organizers in a significant way if the guy who FATHERED APEX is going to be stepping back.

Calling me and anyone who decided to give my comment a like cancer is low. I will not take back what I said about the people who threatened him or anyone else a bunch of scumbags. But no, you can't call me something closer to that. In an ideal world, I want Project M to stick around. But I'm upset about the extents that people will go to **** talk and demean something special because it goes against what they want.

If PM sticks around, I'm happy for that. But if such public outcry for PM continues on with people being idiots with death threats and it happened to reach Nintendo's ears, what do you think will happen?

What happens if at next year's EVO, THE most watched fighting game spectacle of the year, if Project M was banned from the premises too? Will the death threats continue to the tournament organizers of freaking EVO? Where we know Nintendo has given recent support? How long is everyone supposed to ignore the very VERY vocal hatred that seeps from this community and those that make the people hosting these events feel unsafe or hated?

Don't touch me with that "this post is cancer and those that agree are cancer" crap.

 

[MudkipUniverse]

Why not remove PM, since Melee and PM are so similar?


Melee was in consideration in the first place because Brawl made the Smash community so big. Melee got in because the Brawl community (which at that time was larger than the Melee community) rallied behind it and donated the money without thinking that it would bite them in the butt. I'm glad that you agree with the rest of my post though.

lol wtf, brawl is NOT what made the smash community huge, the attach rate for melee was waaay higher

 

[Kuraudo]

lol wtf, brawl is NOT what made the smash community huge, the attach rate for melee was waaay higher

I would say that Brawl played a huge part in the community's growth today. Hear me out on this one.

When Brawl got huge and Melee started to dwindle down, Melee only began to settle down because Brawl took over the scene for quite some time. But when Project M entered the scene and Brawl seemingly plateau'd (not to mention Melee's revival after the return to EVO after everyone banded together to get it there), Melee began to come back. And now it's stronger than ever, eSports level even. I don't know what Melee would be like now without Brawl, but Brawl being something to rise above it only for Melee to rise above THAT? It helped make the community bigger in my eyes.

 

[TopTierPichu]

honestly the people who say that stuff like "**** brawl" and give anti brawl chants during it's dedicated time need to be out and gotten rid of ASAP, and its something we need to do as a community as a whole by saying "it is not me saying it" we are indirectly allowing such behavior to continue. the same needs to be done with those sending death threats

 

[King Donkey Kong]

Yeah Brawl wasn't popular at all and did nothing.

It's funny when the hardcore melee kids think they did more for the smash community than Brawl did.

Insulting a game because it's different at a major event is really a good way to represent our community guys.

That's why competitive smash is seen as a joke among the real fighting game communities.

It's sad to see but it's the truth.

 

[Bearbuddy4]

Guys, you gotta realize that Project M is a mod. I'm pretty sure Nintendo has something to do with Project M not being on the list. Most likely because it's a mod.

Project M is a hack. Not a mod. People like saying "mod" because it sounds positive. Its a hack they PM people dont have the rights to the game, therefore its a hack.

 

[King Donkey Kong]

If Nintendo is really gonna push Smash at big tournaments you guys can say goodbye to PM being in any serious tournaments. There's always tournament mode.

 

[Bearbuddy4]

If Nintendo is really gonna push Smash at big tournaments you guys can say goodbye to PM being in any serious tournaments. There's always tournament mode.

That makes alot of sense, nintendo does not support PM, Even tho i'd be sad to see an aspect of smash be less popular, i do want Nintendo to be more involved in the tournaments.

 

[Kuraudo]

King Donkey Kong, you said that you didn't mean any disrespect earlier in this thread. But now you're smack talking everyone and belittling players that like PM by saying something like "There's always tournament mode."

Don't be a hypocrit and especially, don't be an ass.

 

[Will-O-Wisp]

Lol at people criticizing people who are dissing brawl when they're also the ones dissing PM players.

 

[King Donkey Kong]

King Donkey Kong, you said that you didn't mean any disrespect earlier in this thread. But now you're smack talking everyone and belittling players that like PM by saying something like "There's always tournament mode."

Don't be a hypocrit and especially, don't be an ***.

I'm not smack talking anyone lol...

 

[Johnknight1]

With all due respect, One Unit is a lie.

#OneUnit is a lie if we listen to our anger and hatred and want to lash it out and express it. Truly, #OneUnit or #ManyUnits only exist if we make them exist. It's a lot like money: it's all mental.

May I add that it is funny you mentioned Genesis, because the pro-Melee/anti-Brawl people who did those things to the Brawl players are the ones who learned from what they did wrong and created #OneUnit. They did it ironically after the NorCal Melee and Brawl scene reached a "peace" in 2009 , which has lasted ever since and I gotta tell you the two crowds never really have had much issue with one another.

And what I said is evil in the same line of death threats? Really? Are you being serious right now?

I said it wasn't in the same league (it's like comparing any old Little League game to the World Series), but yes, it is wrong.

We should judge people individually, not as a group.

I was angry when I went through all the negativity that had followed into threats. And let's be real here. If the APEX staff (Alex Strife specifically) are under pressure to the point that he's stepping DOWN because of it? Something is wrong there. If it were simply just a few anonymous people, would it really be such a big deal? Clearly it's impacted the organizers in a significant way if the guy who FATHERED APEX is going to be stepping back.

1. Alex Strife resigns every year from APEX for any reason. It's a continual thing. I think this is the 4th or 5th year.
2. Death threats are real, yes. They are terrible, yes. I've gotten 3. The people doing this are scum.
3. See, the thing is you say "everyone who suffer" when anonymous people did it. They're anonymous for a reason.

We do't know their goals (with two exceptions), their aim, their perception, or their identity, and that's the point. We should obviously take their threats seriously (especially if they know where said people they threatened live), we should obviously try to take away their ability to remain anonymous, but if we can't, we must accept that we will never truly understand what they are trying to accomplish for sure.

They only part of their their goal that they have is to to MAKE PEOPLE FEEL THREATENED AND TO GET A RISE OUT OF PEOPLE/CAUSE CHAOS. What I'm getting at is you are helping them with the latter.

Calling me and anyone who decided to give my comment a like cancer is low.

Nope. You said all are guilty of the actions of a few. I cannot and will not accept that, because that isn't reality.

It's like saying all Canadians should be guilty of murder because one person went on a shooting spree and killed a person.

I know it's nowhere near that bad, but in the end, the important thing is that it's not right, and it's that simple. That kind of thing being used as an attitude is like cancer: it hurts everyone and we gain nothing from it.

I will not take back what I said about the people who threatened him or anyone else a bunch of scumbags.

I don't apologize on their behalf. I want them to be found, go to prison, and learn from what they did and pay society back for these sins as much as anybody.

Again, to say everyone deserves punishment is still wrong.

If you want to specifically target the sick individuals who did this, fine. You can say anything short of "we should kill/physically assault" them and I and just about everyone who posts here will almost definitely agree with you.

I think you need to specify more.

But I'm upset about the extents that people will go to **** talk and demean something special because it goes against what they want.

Again, how do we know that's the case=??? We don't know what they want; they never made themselves known.

Now I have a fun story for you to give you an example; something somewhat personal.

You see, on a game board that once existed myself and a few other people received death threats for being "pro-competitive smash". Granted, this was back in 2004 or so when the internet was barely in 2.0 form, so things were a bit more "fresh" and yet very unrefined. I was shocked anyone would do this online. I thought it was gross and disgusting. During this time being "anti-competitive smash" (namely Melee) was "cool" and "hip" and the "tourney f***" (I hate that word) as we were called were "evil" and "gay" (I hate that word being used like that).

But when that happened, people gained sympathy for the few of us that loved competitive play, and even understood it. They thought "wow, this no name guy crossed the line", which is funny coming from a bunch of loser bullies. We got treated a lot better after that... until the truth was uncovered.

What was the truth you ask=???

It was that one of our own "pro-competitive smash" people made it to make them like us more. However, when the admins of the site IP tracked him, they figured out it was a secondary account.

Suddenly, the hate for us was stronger, and most of us (myself included) were banned for this.

If PM sticks around, I'm happy for that. But if such public outcry for PM continues on with people being idiots with death threats and it happened to reach Nintendo's ears, what do you think will happen?

If you assume it's PM players. While there probably are some PM players and lovers among these death threat sending monsters, there could be equal or more haters of PM doing this. There's an endless list of Nintendo fans who hate any sort of modifications, hacks, or competitive elements (that they disagree with) in Nintendo products. There are people whose entire lives revolve around these games to a sick perverse level where Nintendo games are their religion, politics, thoughts, family, and lives.

How can we know for sure some of these people aren't doing it=???

With anonymous people, we never truly can know until their anonymous identity is gone.

What happens if at next year's EVO, THE most watched fighting game spectacle of the year, if Project M was banned from the premises too? Will the death threats continue to the tournament organizers of freaking EVO? Where we know Nintendo has given recent support? How long is everyone supposed to ignore the very VERY vocal hatred that seeps from this community and those that make the people hosting these events feel unsafe or hated?

You could copy and paste this for ANY GAME or ANY THING.

What if green shirts were banned from next years' EVO and there were death threats possibly involved with it=???

Does that mean we should ban green shirts from everything=???

Don't touch me with that "this post is cancer and those that agree are cancer" crap.

I'm just stating that you are hindering the community and setting us back with this kind of commentary. It's time you and your cohorts stop being what holds back the community, and you start being what starts to help it. Besides, I can tell you are a passionate person, and telling you your passion is slightly misplaced is important.

Maybe you should join the #OneUnit movement. I know I'm disappointed PM won't be there, but I hope for the Brawl scene's sake they can use this APEX unlike the last 2 APEX's to advertise their game and various local scenes so there game actually exists competitively to the streaming/competitive eSports public at large.

The last 2 APEX's have been the 2 biggest Brawl tournaments ever, and yet that game is DEAD. The Brawl competitive community needs to turn that around and micromanage their game a lot better to keep going. With a lot of the PM crowd going and not entering both games, it's gonna be a lot harder to accomplish this year than last year. But hey, maybe they could borrow some of that Smash WiiU hype. Still, that scene has a long way to go before it gets big.

Besides, the games each get promoted better when they're all big and active. PM included. If we don't grow each Smash games' competitive scenes together, we will grow more irrelevant apart from one another, especially when there's a sudden negative turn in the wind.

 

[Chaoseater]

Okay, i just logged back on and this is the first ive heard of these death threats. This is ridiculous.

I'm just as saddened by the fact that PM isn't at Apex, but to go so far as to threaten the staff and Alex Strife? That is complete bull**** and those individuals should be dealt with accordingly/banned.

As for all the talk about Brawl bashing, many people in the community were probably just angry at the fact about how Brawl was dealt with. Many people (myself included) probably thought Smash was going to be a natural progression, in terms of competitiveness, etc, and it was...until Brawl. And, let's all be completely honest here, most of the community who played Smash before Brawl were disappointed by it, because it took out the challenge and skill level of one of the most unique fighting game.

That's probably why people are angered by Brawl, just like some are probably upset that Nintendo never really planned for the Smash games to be like Melee. Melee was just a fluke. That's why PM is awesome, because it is like a Melee sequel, one that we wont probably get (because Nintendo didn't want Smash to be crazy competitive).

If people want to petition for PM to be at Apex, ill be right there too, but these childish threats need to stop.

 

[Joe73191]

I really don't like seeing all the hate toward PM and Melee players. It makes me very sad. Much of the human race hates any kind of ability or skill or prowess, they hate anything good or of value. People like this don't want or care about there own game, all they really care about is seeing other people fall, they want to see other games fail and get removed or replaced.

Seeing hate against Melee and PM makes me very unhappy. Honestly all this controversy might have been Nintendos plan. They might have purposely plotted to get the community mad enough that they would have an excuse to shut PM down. I wouldn't put it past them.

This whole thing, every last drop of it, is about money. Apex drops PM for Nintendo sponsorship for the money. Nintendo sponsors Apex to promote Smash 4 for the money. Nintendo prevents PM for the money and if Melee does better than Smash 4 at Apex you can believe Nintendo will go after Melee tournies so that Smash 4 is the only option so people will be forced to move on to that, again all for the money.

 

[Kuraudo]

I get what you're trying to say, John. I really do. But what's rubbing me the wrong way is how you're seemingly downplaying the severity of the situation this time around. Alex Strife does seem to flip-flop on the matter of what to do with APEX, but unless you have proof of otherwise, has he bowed down before because of threats of **** to his family and death to him?

I confess that my anger and saying that PM deserves to be shut down (which would affect a lot of innocent people in this too) was a kneejerk reaction to the terrible things that were being said. I don't want Project M to be shut out, in all honesty. But I also know it's unrealistic to believe that we can single out those people that were doing the threatening from playing. Unless they were legitimately tracked down through the internet and persecuted.

Could you please stop using such severe examples? My (if I in good faith believed this) saying that PM deserves to be shut down for this shouldn't be put in the same line as all Canadians deserve to be punished for--ugh dude seriously why would you even say that? That's got me rustled. It's not on the same level, I get it and you already said that, but having examples like that mentioned in the same vein isn't cool.

In the end, I can see your point. Me getting up in arms is probably part of what those jerks want. I also don't care what the people who were threatening Alex and his family want. I don't care that I don't know what they want or why they do it, or what side they're on. The point is that they're doing something so hurtful anyways.

Saying that, I admit that saying PM deserves to be C&D'd for their crimes wasn't fair. So that I will happily take back.

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As for the One Unit thing? Meet me in real life and you'll find that I'm probably one of the nicest guys you'll meet (in a Smash game that is. I don't know your friends. You probably know some really cool people too), regardless of the game that's being played. I want to believe that something like the whole One Unit thing can be realized... But wanna know someone whose at the top of the world in Smash but also has legions of followers that would hang off of every word he says? At one point he publically said, "Don't play Project M. Play Melee." That person is Mango. Drunken Hungrybox has given Brawl the good boot for the sake of Melee. ...granted I don't know how much merit I'd give a drunken Hungrybox. But every time I hear someone telling me to believe in One Unit, I see examples to the contrary.

Here's a big example. EVO asking if we wanna see Melee or Smash Bros. for Wii U at next year's competition. Melee wins by a landslide. And while some will simply say they prefer Melee (nothing wrong with that), a vast majority of others state unfairly that the new game either sucks or doesn't compare to Melee. Why that irks me is because the game hasn't even been released yet. Some say the metagame is far too young for the new game to even consider being established at a stage like EVO.

People keep saying the new Smash needs to prove itself to earn its spot at EVO. While I think that's partially a valid statement, the people saying that it needs to prove itself are afraid that Melee will suffer for it. And I can see people (I'm paranoid of this unfortunately) outwardly fighting to get Melee over EVERYTHING else, and if the new Smash scene doesn't fight back as strongly, it'll be put under Melee instead of beside it.

It hurts to see how many people supported Melee to get to EVO, but now that we get an opportunity to take the latest Smash to the big stage where a lot of talent can shine and show off new and great things, it's all but probably shot down the drain because it threatens Melee's EVO life.

I want to believe in One Unit. I really do. But it's really really hard to.

 

[proxibomb]

Project M is a hack. Not a mod. People like saying "mod" because it sounds positive. Its a hack they PM people dont have the rights to the game, therefore its a hack.

Hack, mod, whatever it is, Nintendo will be the only one to decide whether Project M becomes an official thing at major tournaments like this.

 

[ImmortalSeasons]

I'm not smack talking anyone lol...

I think Emiya was probably referring to your statement labeling the PM community "a bunch of butthurt Melee lovers." I could be wrong though.

 

[R0Y]

Melee and 64 are baller. Trash 4 and smash bros bawls are much less amazing.

Lolno. Smash 4 is the best in the series (Wii U specifically when it comes out with the same mechanics.)

Super hitstun 64 not only had the hitstun problem but lacked content.

Don't be a Melee hipster.

 

[MP8]

What are you guys complaining about? All four ORIGINAL Smash titles are going to be in this! This is freaking awesome! I love Project M; its a wonderful mod but its still a mod at that. I think keeping it to original titles is more classy and respectful. I love every Smash game, they are all so fun to play. Super Smash Bros. forever.

 

[King Donkey Kong]

Hack, mod, whatever it is, Nintendo will be the only one to decide whether Project M becomes an official thing at major tournaments like this.

Maybe if people chant "Project M" while the real games are being played?

Classy.

 

[lordvaati]

welp, it was nice PM, but I'm going back to whatever is left of Brawl.

at least they are trying to die with dignity there.

 

[MudkipUniverse]

Nintendo sponsoring tournaments could be one of the worst things to happen to the competitive scene, which they don't give a **** about anyways.

1. Smash 4 is NOT made to be competitive. And it isn't balanced. Smash 64 is the most balanced, by a LANDSLIDE.

2. No more Project M at big tourneys. This game is a mod, yet it is more popular competitively then every other smash game besides Melee, which is a kick in the nards to Nintendo, actually . If Nintendo doesn't like PM being around, then how 'bout they make a game that is competitively playable. lol

lussin my respect for sakurai erday

 

[GymleaderBen]

whaaa?? you mean a HACK of BRAWL wasn't allowed at a huge tournament??? whaaaaaaa

 

[Black Mantis]

Nintendo sponsoring tournaments could be one of the worst things to happen to the competitive scene, which they don't give a **** about anyways.

1. Smash 4 is NOT made to be competitive. And it isn't balanced. Smash 64 is the most balanced, by a LANDSLIDE.

2. No more Project M at big tourneys. This game is a mod, yet it is more popular competitively then every other smash game besides Melee, which is a kick in the nards to Nintendo, actually . If Nintendo doesn't like PM being around, then how 'bout they make a game that is competitively playable. lol

lussin my respect for sakurai erday

 

[MudkipUniverse]

whaaa?? you mean a HACK of BRAWL wasn't allowed at a huge tournament??? whaaaaaaa

Hack would be along the lines of "999% forever".

Mod would be along the lines of adding new mechanics.

 

[LancerStaff]

Hack would be along the lines of "999% forever".

Mod would be along the lines of adding new mechanics.

Not really, no. There's no real concrete definitions for "mod" and "hack" that don't overlap. People "mod" Super Mario World much like PM to Brawl, but they call them "hacks" all the same.

 

[NinKenDo64]

whaaa?? you mean a HACK of BRAWL wasn't allowed at a huge tournament??? whaaaaaaa

That doesn't mean a mod cannot become relevant in competition. For example look at Counter Strike and DOTA. Both mods of previously developed games and well done mods at that. Similar to PM, they helped boost sales of the games they were modded off of and also reached the level of e-sports. Hell we have League of Legends because of a mod. Idk if these guys are "selling out" to Nintendo or not, but I personally feel with the amount of work PMDT is putting into their project and what it brought to the community deserves a bit more recognition at least by Nintendo.

 

[BSP]

1. Smash 4 is NOT made to be competitive. And it isn't balanced.

Smash 4 didn't go back to melee level obviously, but there were things put in that clearly cater to competitive players.

Removed planking
No random tripping
Nerfed Auto Sweetspot range
Clear balance attempts.
Tips that tell you invincibility frames of moves, teching (I think), walljumps, super armor, pivot grabs, SDI; you know, things a casual player wouldn't really care about.
Airdodge landing lag penalty
Online mode set for 1 v 1's, no items.

Not saying they got it perfect by any means, but they are trying.

It's too early to say anything about overall balance, but the tournament results I've skimmed over seem pretty diverse. We'll see, and worst case scenario, we've got balance patches.

 

[Swampy948]

Are these tournaments open to anyone at Apex? Or do you need some sort of invitation.

 

[Will-O-Wisp]

Nintendo sponsoring tournaments could be one of the worst things to happen to the competitive scene, which they don't give a **** about anyways.

1. Smash 4 is NOT made to be competitive. And it isn't balanced. Smash 64 is the most balanced, by a LANDSLIDE.

2. No more Project M at big tourneys. This game is a mod, yet it is more popular competitively then every other smash game besides Melee, which is a kick in the nards to Nintendo, actually . If Nintendo doesn't like PM being around, then how 'bout they make a game that is competitively playable. lol

lussin my respect for sakurai erday

We should hold off on making claims like,"Nintendo doesn't care about our scene" until after the next couple years when the Smash 4 hype dies down. If Nintendo gets involved with OTHER games (Melee, 64, Brawl) at smaller tourneys like KoC, SS, Fight Pitt, etc then I will concede that they care. Until then we can remain skeptical.

You have to remember that Nintendo is a business that needs to make money, especially after its abysmal past 3 years. We should expect this kind of behavior. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it. If we have to start excluding communities because of corporate money, then we are no longer a community we are a business.

If this is how we're all going to act when PM gets dropped from Apex, then I can't imagine the response if EVO dropped Melee for Smash 4 which is very likely.

 

[Bearbuddy4]

Hack would be along the lines of "999% forever".

Mod would be along the lines of adding new mechanics.

hack vs mod, look it up. pm is a hack.

I don't have a problem with hacks as long as the hacked or changed game doesent earn them profit. PM doesent do that. oh wait...