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After reading this, and re-reading the posts you linked to, I feel that BK is a much better target to lynch. The connection with Kevin you highlighted here and linking it to the Grammys made a lot of sense, making it that if we lynch BK today and he does flip scum, then we should heavily look into Kevin tomorrow. We need to think about what these two lynches will bring us...Per Kevin's request:
Looking at CK, BK and McFox, I'd be more inclined to lynch CK based on the case I've made thusfar. CK has yet to attempt to refute the points I've made on my read of him (that being either an oversight or simply just not wanting to address the points I've made but considering his RL problems I'd be inclined to believe its the former).
Particularly posts #650 and #671.
With BK and McFox I'd be slightly more inclined to lynch BK simply for the fact that he is very inactive in this game, asking questions here or there and not attempting to follow through with anything. Also Tom's continual trying to protect BK, telling everyone to back off of him is strange. The votes were a kneejerk reaction, sure, but on the same token, it was day 1 and we were given a situation where one person did something so anti-town that somebody was forced to roleclaim. It reminds me of when I first pinned the prostitute role to airgemini in Grammys, but Kevin was quick to downplay it, saying that he wouldn't back the theory based on flavour - Kevin was Mafia.
With CK's roleclaim, I'm fairly sure he isn't lying. That leaves vyse who looks pretty town to me. Reasons being, he has given a clear input on most people and his posts did bring up a lot of interesting point. He has given evidence to back up all his claims so I feel fairly safe with him being town.I agree with Marc.
Here's how its gonna work.
These following people
Vyse
CK
BK
And
Mcfox
Can you please state your suspicions clearly and let me know which of the other three you would like to lynch and do it quickly since we don't have a lot of time.
For the sake of this I'd like you to keep it within those 4.
I seriously don't see anything wrong with that. With only 3 (and if you believe CK's recent role claim, 2) options it comes down to who of the 2/3 you find most scummy. As for helping, I've given my opinion on quite a few people, something I think Chibo hasn't really done.BK - Hasn't made a single real contribution to the game so far. It's hard to fault him for it, since he's new. At the same time, it seems like we can't really afford to remove anyone else just because they'd be unhelpful. He's posted so little that it's hard to get a consistent read on him. Out of the people currently being questioned, I'd be most comfortable lynching him, but it's slight.
I look forward to hearing BK's thoughts on this.
After reading this, and re-reading the posts you linked to, I feel that BK is a much better target to lynch. The connection with Kevin you highlighted here and linking it to the Grammys made a lot of sense, making it that if we lynch BK today and he does flip scum, then we should heavily look into Kevin tomorrow. We need to think about what these two lynches will bring us...
What insight will we have tomorrow if CK flips Town? What insight will we have tomorrow is CK flips Scum? What insight will we have tomorrow if BK flips Town? If Scum?
If BK happens to flip scum (who had what should be agreed as the scummiest action in D1) Then not only do we have a connection to Kevin we can look into, it helps CK's stance on the situation.
I honestly don't see much that is scummy from CK's posts. I'd hate to ask, but can someone sort of outline them in a way? I'm just not seeing it really.
I need to re-read some of the case on Tom before I unvote and switch to BK though.
I'm going to break down the problem I have with this post.Well, interesting turn of events. I guess it's time to claim since tomorrow is my birthday/Thanksgiving, and I'll be very, very busy.
The reason for my erratic and aggressive play, that Marc pointed out, is that I am the cop. For the first in my entire history on SWF Mafia, have had a role that was actually useful. My first game was High School Mafia in the Broom, where I was a vanilla townie, I believe. After that one, I did BatMafia for a while where I was a thief, which was pretty useless because I just took items from people's pockets, and it could be interpreted a number of ways. In Battle Star Galatica Mafia, which was my last for a while, I was the commander who had a day kill. I botched that horribly, got pretty badly insulted on a personal level, and I was done.
Now, the timeline could be off, but Assassins in the Palace saw me in my first mafia role in a game very loosely based on H.P. Lovecraft. I believe TMNT Mafia was after that, which I sat out on, or Samuel L. Jackson Mafia was too, I really get fuzzy with the games I missed. The SWF Mafia came up, where I was a town traitor. This role was a blast because literally nothing I did would be bad. The Mafia won this game.
Disney Mafia saw me as a kidnapping indie and Mufasa, both of which worked out poorly. I was a Nurse in Grammy mafia, but died quickly, replaced back in as a reporter, with no useful leads.
In short, this is the first Mafia game that I can actively help the town rather than just hope for the best. Night 1, I was curious as to Kata's game, so I investigated him, namely because I wasn't suspicious enough of anyone else at that point to use the investigation. Obviously, it failed.
If no one believes, and town, you should not trust anyone without a clear means of checking a person, then, I don't blame you, but go ahead and lynch me. My mislynch will not end the game, and it SHOULD give some ideas on people pushing for my lynch. I'll be out the rest of today, so if anyone has questions, I'll answer them tonight. Until then:
Unvote. Vote: Kevin - I hate OMGUSing, but Kevin's motivations are suspect to me. He has been on a furious run to kill me since Day 1, and there is nothing worse than tunnel vision. Vyse has long since had my suspicions for just parroting others arguments.
Night 1, I was curious as to Kata's game, so I investigated him, namely because I wasn't suspicious enough of anyone else at that point to use the investigation.
A clear contradiction, especially considering CK's position on Kevin even during day 1.Unvote. Vote: Kevin - I hate OMGUSing, but Kevin's motivations are suspect to me. He has been on a furious run to kill me since Day 1, and there is nothing worse than tunnel vision.
What CK's said he's done so far is exactly what I did in Grammys when I fake claimed Watcher (I was really an independent lyncher). I claimed to have watched a person who died night one, nothing happen on night 2 and claimed to have watched my lynch target night 3 visit someone (they had role claimed Princess).If that was actually how it happened, I'd almost see your odd logic there, but I unvoted when Tom requested we "back the **** off of BK." So he could breathe.
Considering I understand Tom's experience with the game, I took that as incentive that I was chasing more than there really was. I still consider BK's actions anti-town, but I am willing to respect Tom's insight, and not push BK's lynch.
I really am suspicious as your constant pushing for me. I'm not above claiming anything, but I think your reasons for pushing for my lynch isn't in the favor of the town at all.
I already said that my next choice for lynch is BK. Everyone knows what he pulled on Day 1, so not only would we be lynching with at least one bad strike against them (in comparison to us assuming scum reads on people), we could learn a lot on other players based on what BK flips with how others reacted to the BK wagon after he forced me to claim. I just didn't switch off Tom yet as I said I would read back on my vote and case on Tom to make sure I wanted to switch my vote first. I'll likely read back and make up my mind within the hour.
Though lol at all the reverse votes.
Also, I did not mean to completely overshadow these two and your developments to the thread with my assertion that CK's cop claim is bull, so I'll bring what you guys said back to the foreground.I was just aiming off a lynch that actually looks plausible with the current votespread.