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Anime Mafia!: Moved To dGames from LoD (Guess who won!)

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Per Kevin's request:

Looking at CK, BK and McFox, I'd be more inclined to lynch CK based on the case I've made thusfar. CK has yet to attempt to refute the points I've made on my read of him (that being either an oversight or simply just not wanting to address the points I've made but considering his RL problems I'd be inclined to believe its the former).

Particularly posts #650 and #671.

With BK and McFox I'd be slightly more inclined to lynch BK simply for the fact that he is very inactive in this game, asking questions here or there and not attempting to follow through with anything. Also Tom's continual trying to protect BK, telling everyone to back off of him is strange. The votes were a kneejerk reaction, sure, but on the same token, it was day 1 and we were given a situation where one person did something so anti-town that somebody was forced to roleclaim. It reminds me of when I first pinned the prostitute role to airgemini in Grammys, but Kevin was quick to downplay it, saying that he wouldn't back the theory based on flavour - Kevin was Mafia.
After reading this, and re-reading the posts you linked to, I feel that BK is a much better target to lynch. The connection with Kevin you highlighted here and linking it to the Grammys made a lot of sense, making it that if we lynch BK today and he does flip scum, then we should heavily look into Kevin tomorrow. We need to think about what these two lynches will bring us...
What insight will we have tomorrow if CK flips Town? What insight will we have tomorrow is CK flips Scum? What insight will we have tomorrow if BK flips Town? If Scum?
If BK happens to flip scum (who had what should be agreed as the scummiest action in D1) Then not only do we have a connection to Kevin we can look into, it helps CK's stance on the situation.

I honestly don't see much that is scummy from CK's posts. I'd hate to ask, but can someone sort of outline them in a way? I'm just not seeing it really.

I need to re-read some of the case on Tom before I unvote and switch to BK though.
 

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Well, interesting turn of events. I guess it's time to claim since tomorrow is my birthday/Thanksgiving, and I'll be very, very busy.

The reason for my erratic and aggressive play, that Marc pointed out, is that I am the cop. For the first in my entire history on SWF Mafia, have had a role that was actually useful. My first game was High School Mafia in the Broom, where I was a vanilla townie, I believe. After that one, I did BatMafia for a while where I was a thief, which was pretty useless because I just took items from people's pockets, and it could be interpreted a number of ways. In Battle Star Galatica Mafia, which was my last for a while, I was the commander who had a day kill. I botched that horribly, got pretty badly insulted on a personal level, and I was done.

Now, the timeline could be off, but Assassins in the Palace saw me in my first mafia role in a game very loosely based on H.P. Lovecraft. I believe TMNT Mafia was after that, which I sat out on, or Samuel L. Jackson Mafia was too, I really get fuzzy with the games I missed. The SWF Mafia came up, where I was a town traitor. This role was a blast because literally nothing I did would be bad. The Mafia won this game.

Disney Mafia saw me as a kidnapping indie and Mufasa, both of which worked out poorly. I was a Nurse in Grammy mafia, but died quickly, replaced back in as a reporter, with no useful leads.

In short, this is the first Mafia game that I can actively help the town rather than just hope for the best. Night 1, I was curious as to Kata's game, so I investigated him, namely because I wasn't suspicious enough of anyone else at that point to use the investigation. Obviously, it failed.

If no one believes, and town, you should not trust anyone without a clear means of checking a person, then, I don't blame you, but go ahead and lynch me. My mislynch will not end the game, and it SHOULD give some ideas on people pushing for my lynch. I'll be out the rest of today, so if anyone has questions, I'll answer them tonight. Until then:

Unvote. Vote: Kevin - I hate OMGUSing, but Kevin's motivations are suspect to me. He has been on a furious run to kill me since Day 1, and there is nothing worse than tunnel vision. Vyse has long since had my suspicions for just parroting others arguments.
 

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I had my days mixed up again, but I will be with friends all day tomorrow for Birthday stuff, then family all day Thursday.
 

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23rd Vote Count

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McFox (1 - Marc
Tom (3) - ChiboSempai, Xiivi
ChiboSempai (1) - Tom
Marc (1) - McFox
Crimson King (2) - Vyse, KevinM
KevinM (1) - Crimson King

Not voting (1: bowser king

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With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline in 2 days
 

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As much as I believe your claim atm, I find it really odd that you investigated Kat and not someone like BK who I thought you were suspicious of iirc
 

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CK: A somewhat premature claim, but I was likely to vote for you... This probably means you'll die toNight, but that beats wasting a lynch on you.
 

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Chibo votes Tom, Tom votes Chibo, Chibo double votes Tom.
McFox votes Marc, Marc votes McFox.
Kevin votes CK, CK votes Kevin.

Yep. We're definitely going places.

Chibo pick someone out of Kevin/Marc/McFox and I'll proxy my vote since I'm not voting CK unless there is a CC and no one wants to lynch Tom.
 

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I already said that my next choice for lynch is BK. Everyone knows what he pulled on Day 1, so not only would we be lynching with at least one bad strike against them (in comparison to us assuming scum reads on people), we could learn a lot on other players based on what BK flips with how others reacted to the BK wagon after he forced me to claim. I just didn't switch off Tom yet as I said I would read back on my vote and case on Tom to make sure I wanted to switch my vote first. I'll likely read back and make up my mind within the hour.

Though lol at all the reverse votes.
 

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I agree with Marc.

Here's how its gonna work.

These following people

Vyse
CK
BK
And
Mcfox

Can you please state your suspicions clearly and let me know which of the other three you would like to lynch and do it quickly since we don't have a lot of time.

For the sake of this I'd like you to keep it within those 4.
With CK's roleclaim, I'm fairly sure he isn't lying. That leaves vyse who looks pretty town to me. Reasons being, he has given a clear input on most people and his posts did bring up a lot of interesting point. He has given evidence to back up all his claims so I feel fairly safe with him being town.

From process of elimination, that leaves Mcfox. McFox has given points for his claims but I don't really like his "Kevin Method" but that is more due to me feeling it was a bad idea at the time. As for his connections, I have already previously stated that these "connections" could easily be planted.

Take for example the current situation, saying lynching me will bring up connections doesn't help much. For one thing, Mafia could easily make a fake connection so I don't see how it would bring up anything now that mafia knows people will be looking for connections.

That's not enough for me to put a vote on him but I'm still the most suspicious of him.


BK - Hasn't made a single real contribution to the game so far. It's hard to fault him for it, since he's new. At the same time, it seems like we can't really afford to remove anyone else just because they'd be unhelpful. He's posted so little that it's hard to get a consistent read on him. Out of the people currently being questioned, I'd be most comfortable lynching him, but it's slight.

I look forward to hearing BK's thoughts on this.
I seriously don't see anything wrong with that. With only 3 (and if you believe CK's recent role claim, 2) options it comes down to who of the 2/3 you find most scummy. As for helping, I've given my opinion on quite a few people, something I think Chibo hasn't really done.

After reading this, and re-reading the posts you linked to, I feel that BK is a much better target to lynch. The connection with Kevin you highlighted here and linking it to the Grammys made a lot of sense, making it that if we lynch BK today and he does flip scum, then we should heavily look into Kevin tomorrow. We need to think about what these two lynches will bring us...
What insight will we have tomorrow if CK flips Town? What insight will we have tomorrow is CK flips Scum? What insight will we have tomorrow if BK flips Town? If Scum?
If BK happens to flip scum (who had what should be agreed as the scummiest action in D1) Then not only do we have a connection to Kevin we can look into, it helps CK's stance on the situation.

I honestly don't see much that is scummy from CK's posts. I'd hate to ask, but can someone sort of outline them in a way? I'm just not seeing it really.

I need to re-read some of the case on Tom before I unvote and switch to BK though.

I've already stated what I think about your connections but the thing that I found weird is that you pointed out me having connections with Kevin. I would really like to see some examples showing me and Kevin having any "connections". Also, were at day 2 and I think we learned from day 1 that we might not get any "connections" from a lynch so I don't think it would be smart for town to just lynch hoping for connections to be made.
 

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Hrm. I don't really believe Crimson King's claim at all. Just too many things that I do not like about it.

1) He didn't mention his character, why would you not name claim when you role claim? Possibly because his character might hint obtusely at another role and not a cop

2) He investigated the dead person, that is always simply the easiest thing to claim because WIFOM makes it constantly almost-acceptable, and also, if he killed the dead person, and was tracked or seen, he now has an alibi

3) He is now gone for non-game reasons and basically unable to refute any opposition making it kind of "unfair"

4) his whole post talked weirdly about his past mafia roles, in fact it was only a semi-long post because he brought in unnecessary information about him being unhelpful by role or by human error, possibly trying to convince us that this time he is for real, or simply avoiding talking about being the cop. it severely lacked cop talk

5) he never attempted to breadcrumb or hint at his role previously, at least proving that it is absolutely possible he decided during the current game to claim cop

6) I disagree severely with his reasoning vs. KevinM.

His claim is severely unbelievable and I think he is mafia trying to make a game-defining play. All of these things simply do not add up to him being cop. In fact, I would be more surprised if he was some kind of survivor, or at least some role that has to make a fairly strong play to take care of himself individually. Possibly Survivor, possibly arsonist. The cop claim also reminds me of KevinM's cop claim as the mafia traitor in Simpson's mafia.

I am going to unvote vote: Crimson King
 

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I picked up on the same things, Tom. That said, a lie like that should become obvious soon and there's more than 1 Mafia to find.
 

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a lie like that can take until endgame to completely determine, i really just do not think that ck is a cop.
 

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On iPhone: I am Tomoyo Sakagami. I didn't claim her name because I don't watch Anime at all, and I have no idea anything about her.
 

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Normally, I'd say with no one CCing CK he's essentially clear as the cop, except that Kev 100% worked the town over using that claim in the recent dGame. I don't know how possible it is to have a second game with no cop though. Even though all the flack over Kat's death has somehow been attributed to me despite the fact that CK said it painted him in a bad light, I now see how it does. I can't tell if that was a very light breadcrumb or not, though.
 

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Well, interesting turn of events. I guess it's time to claim since tomorrow is my birthday/Thanksgiving, and I'll be very, very busy.

The reason for my erratic and aggressive play, that Marc pointed out, is that I am the cop. For the first in my entire history on SWF Mafia, have had a role that was actually useful. My first game was High School Mafia in the Broom, where I was a vanilla townie, I believe. After that one, I did BatMafia for a while where I was a thief, which was pretty useless because I just took items from people's pockets, and it could be interpreted a number of ways. In Battle Star Galatica Mafia, which was my last for a while, I was the commander who had a day kill. I botched that horribly, got pretty badly insulted on a personal level, and I was done.

Now, the timeline could be off, but Assassins in the Palace saw me in my first mafia role in a game very loosely based on H.P. Lovecraft. I believe TMNT Mafia was after that, which I sat out on, or Samuel L. Jackson Mafia was too, I really get fuzzy with the games I missed. The SWF Mafia came up, where I was a town traitor. This role was a blast because literally nothing I did would be bad. The Mafia won this game.

Disney Mafia saw me as a kidnapping indie and Mufasa, both of which worked out poorly. I was a Nurse in Grammy mafia, but died quickly, replaced back in as a reporter, with no useful leads.

In short, this is the first Mafia game that I can actively help the town rather than just hope for the best. Night 1, I was curious as to Kata's game, so I investigated him, namely because I wasn't suspicious enough of anyone else at that point to use the investigation. Obviously, it failed.

If no one believes, and town, you should not trust anyone without a clear means of checking a person, then, I don't blame you, but go ahead and lynch me. My mislynch will not end the game, and it SHOULD give some ideas on people pushing for my lynch. I'll be out the rest of today, so if anyone has questions, I'll answer them tonight. Until then:

Unvote. Vote: Kevin - I hate OMGUSing, but Kevin's motivations are suspect to me. He has been on a furious run to kill me since Day 1, and there is nothing worse than tunnel vision. Vyse has long since had my suspicions for just parroting others arguments.
I'm going to break down the problem I have with this post.

Night 1, I was curious as to Kata's game, so I investigated him, namely because I wasn't suspicious enough of anyone else at that point to use the investigation.
Unvote. Vote: Kevin - I hate OMGUSing, but Kevin's motivations are suspect to me. He has been on a furious run to kill me since Day 1, and there is nothing worse than tunnel vision.
A clear contradiction, especially considering CK's position on Kevin even during day 1.

If that was actually how it happened, I'd almost see your odd logic there, but I unvoted when Tom requested we "back the **** off of BK." So he could breathe.

Considering I understand Tom's experience with the game, I took that as incentive that I was chasing more than there really was. I still consider BK's actions anti-town, but I am willing to respect Tom's insight, and not push BK's lynch.

I really am suspicious as your constant pushing for me. I'm not above claiming anything, but I think your reasons for pushing for my lynch isn't in the favor of the town at all.
What CK's said he's done so far is exactly what I did in Grammys when I fake claimed Watcher (I was really an independent lyncher). I claimed to have watched a person who died night one, nothing happen on night 2 and claimed to have watched my lynch target night 3 visit someone (they had role claimed Princess).

Considering the contradiction in his supposed night 1 investigation choice I wouldn't be suprised if he was following the same mentality. So my vote stays.
 

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Cop claim still does not sit well with me. Deadline looms like a pregnancy test and if theres not a majority then we no lynch, which in my mind is unacceptable. Marc, McFox, Bowser King, your lynch targets are obviously bunk and not going to happen, it is time for you to think about moving your vote somewhere else. Hint: preferably not me.
 

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Vote: Crimson King


It doesn't sit well with me that there hasn't been a counterclaim, but it just occurred to me that I probably wouldn't claim just yet if I were the real Cop (if there even is one). I also think the claim doesn't really explain his behaviour: why would you play aggressively as a Cop? You'd want to get as many investigations in as possible and not make yourself a potential lynch target early on. If it's a choice between CK and Tom, it should definitely be CK. CK has been suspicious this entire game, we can't verify his claim and there's little to no case against Tom. I'll definitely be suspicious of people who allow Tom to die under these circumstances, so make up your mind and do the right thing.
 

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Not ready to vote yet because I want to hear CK's reply before voting. It looks like CK could be lying since Vyse did a very similar thing in Grammys. After looking up Tomoyo Sakagami, all I got was that she is a student council president. Not much related to a cop but it very likely could be that there might not be any relation between the name and the role.

Question for CK, if you were trying to help town, wouldn't it have been better to investigate someone town was suspicious of? Air was really the only one suspicious of Kat so what made you (and I don't think I remember you saying much about Kat) check him? I'm sure a lot of people in town would agree that there were more suspicious people (That being the central reason as to why you searched him) then kat. You yourself were suspicious of a couple people day 1 so why didn't you search one of them?
 

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I already said that my next choice for lynch is BK. Everyone knows what he pulled on Day 1, so not only would we be lynching with at least one bad strike against them (in comparison to us assuming scum reads on people), we could learn a lot on other players based on what BK flips with how others reacted to the BK wagon after he forced me to claim. I just didn't switch off Tom yet as I said I would read back on my vote and case on Tom to make sure I wanted to switch my vote first. I'll likely read back and make up my mind within the hour.

Though lol at all the reverse votes.
I was just aiming off a lynch that actually looks plausible with the current votespread.
Also, I did not mean to completely overshadow these two and your developments to the thread with my assertion that CK's cop claim is bull, so I'll bring what you guys said back to the foreground.

I do not think that we will learn anything at all from a BK flip. If you think that we will learn anything about his wagon by lynching him, you are allowing your memory of Day 1 and the wagon to stand out far more than the actual wagon. Yes, he was dangerously L-2 when the wagon dissolved, but the people on the wagon were Crimson King, Chibo, Xiivi, and SuSa. SuSa has subsequently died. You two are the ones wondering about it right now. CK is more convinced that KevinM is scum (I dont know why!). So what would you learn that is pertinent to anything that has developed? CK's cop claim is the most important thing about him, not his opinion on BK. SuSa is dead, and you already know that you are town if you are town. The only thing you would gain from a BK lynch is a little bit more of a feeling on your opposite (Chibo for Xiivi, Xiivi for Chibo). I have to again urge against a BK lynch on the grounds of its baseless and dumb.
 

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Hmm, heading out, fellows, but have fun with a solid mislynch. The mafia has played this game nicely.
 

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I didn't give BK as one of my options to Chibo. My response was saying pick one of the others.

I think we'd see a scum flip from lynching BK. But I'd rather lynch Tom.

But CK is giving up apparently, so unvote: vote: CK.
 

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23rd Vote Count

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Tom (2) - ChiboSempai
Marc (1) - McFox
Crimson King (5) - Vyse, KevinM, Tom, Marc, Xiivi
KevinM (1) - Crimson King

Not voting (1): bowser king


_____________________________________________

Amae appeared yet again.



"This game is fun ^_^ Let the lynch commence! Kill her!"

The group swiftly approached her.

"Don't! I'm the cop!" she pleaded.

The town would have none of it. She kicked and punched to try and fend off the inevitable, but there was simply too many of them. The town tackled her to the ground and got a good grip of her, ripping her uniform multiple times in the process.

"Do it!" Amae shouted.

They slipped her head in and kicked the stool.



(Crimson King) Sakagami Tomoyo (Clannad), the town cop, has been lynched!

Day 2 ends!

Begin Night 2!

Night actions are due Friday, November 27th at 8:00 PM EST.
 

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"Ugh, shoot."

You can hear an evil laughter from somewhere outside the walls, the noise wreaking of the high pitched voice of Amae Koromo.

"I don't want to die here!"

"You won't.. we won't.. we just need to concentrate tomorrow."

"Let's get a good rest then, it's been a long day."

~~~~~

The majority of the group awoke to a shriek from one of their companions.

"No way... no..."

In the center of the room was the body of yet another poor soul. Her clothes and hair soaked in blood. Above her body was a message, persumably written in her own blood:

you cAn't win​

"This can't be happening..."



(ChiboSempai) Taiga Aisaka, (Toradora!) the town double-voter, has been brutally stabbed to death.

Night 2 has ended!

Day 3 begins!

With 7 alive it takes a vote of 4 to lynch!

Deadline is December 11th, 11:59:59 PM.
 

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Okay, so both my primary suspects died. My kneejerk reaction is that Mafia is coasting like mad.
 

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We're probably in Lylo at this point. The only third party roles I can imagine at this point are Survivor and Lyncher and I really doubt lyncher exists, so I'm thinking a 3 person mafia team is highly likely. We should probably do a mass roleclaim as I really think it's either 3 mafia 0 indy, or 2 mafia 1 indy, and I'm more certain it's the first.

Thoughts:
Town:
McFox

Neutral:
Vyse
Marc
bowser king

Scum:
Tom
Kevin

The BK wagon wasn't scum driven at all. It was me, Chibo, CK, and SuSa. 3 of which are confirmed townies. Tom and Kevin both had a hand at dissociating the BK wagon, Tom by saying it's kneejerk and we should stop with it, and Kevin popping in and voting CK without any real comments on the wagon. Tom/Kevin/BK is the most likely scum team in my opinion.
 

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Tom and Kevin were only scum together for the last 1/2 of Grammys Mafia.

Roles were randomly assigned both in this game and in that game.

That really, really should not be your reasoning for doubting them being scum together.

It's like saying "well Marc is like always scum, so he's obv scum here too!". >_>

If you're wondering why BK is neutral it's because I can see both of them discouraging/distracting the wagon on the sole basis that it was 100% town driven, regardless of BK's alignment (I know Kevin likes to distance himself from his partners as well). It's also my reasoning for why McFox is my top town read at this point, because he didn't discourage the wagon and I remember reading him saying he likes to discourage wagons as scum. Also my interactions with him Day 2 make me think he's town, especially with him getting really upset that I was "taking credit" for something that I don't even remember because it was pointless.

I could see you going either way Marc, based on the fact Kev only FoS'd you Day 2 and eventually later only McFox/CK were his lynch pool (makes you look more scummy than you did before). Vyse was town in McFox's eyes and he did give reasoning, but my interaction with Vyse also makes me feel he's more townie than you and BK.

I was just going through the people on Air's wagon Day 2 and getting them to speak up, and I definitely like Vyse/McFox's reactions to the accusations against them better than Tom/Kev's. Tom was like "oh no, the people who I think are scummy [Chibo/Xiivi] are attacking me, how unfortunate! ignore." and Kev was like "ignore". I think Tom is more insistent in dissuading arguments against him as town than he's been so far. I think Kev is more vocal/emotional about arguments against him as town than he's been so far.
 

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So far I've been trusting of both of them because they're pretty much the only ones making sense to me (unlike for example CK and Chibo). Their approach didn't get us any scum and it's looking really bad right now, so something has to happen. I can agree to a mass roleclaim and/or heavy pressure on the Tom/Kevin duo, but there's probably not much to pressure them about.
 

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I would support a lynch against any of Tom/Kevin/BK.

CK's flip casts Kevin in a negative light, since Kevin's pursued him the whole game. Then again his style of play works like that >.> If Kevin's town, then it'd cast you in a bad light Xiivi, but that's the same dilemma with Kevin right now.

Lynching Tom/BK right now seems like it would net us an insight into the other person, with Tom's defenses of BK and communicating with him throughout the thread. (Something I've been over before).

I looked at Tom's posts earlier in the thread and found his play to be fairly inconsistent. On the other hand, there was BK's misguided push against Chibo on day 1.

I'm about to leave for a Brawl tournament, so I'll have to cut this short, but I'll get back to analysing all this soon.
 

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TOWN! I am a ghost of christmas bast.... LISTEN TDON"T FALLOW FALSENESS. JUST KILL THE MAFIA! WE GOT THIS!

I am dead but I can win bacuse I'm town. I F UCKING TOLD YOU!!!
 
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