I know, I know. I've been putting it off because going further requires me to reread some of the topic. Since Vyse has been clear for me for a while, now I have to go back and re-evaluate.
The main reason why I thought Vyse was clear is something I didn't mention when this was brought up earlier. Mainly, the reason I assumed Vyse was clear earlier is because this is only his second game, right? And people said that, after-the-fact, he was really obvious in the last game, yes? Going off of that, I figured if he were scum again (just checked, he was indy in Grammy's, but he was still non-town), he'd make more obvious mistakes that we'd be able to catch him with. That, coupled with what else I'd had to say about Vyse in post 654 basically auto-cleared him in my mind for a while.
However, Tom's claim does clear up some of the doubts I'd had about him (Tom), chief among them why he'd pushed for an un-CC'd cop's lynch. Even though Eric didn't have any results, normally an un-CC'd cop is auto-cleared (Simpsons mafia, where Kev did this, is the exception to the rule). And the fact that he literally breadcrumbed in his first post after he got his role is helpful too.
So now I'm going back to see if I can find any flags in Vyse's history. I assumed that his flags would be larger and brighter than other people's, but maybe that was an incorrect assumption to make.
However, directly after the above, he posts
Also, re-examining, Xiivi may have been more correct about post 520, where Vyse gives air a deadline to answer his questions satisfactorily. I originally saw it as coming from the same place that I was in at the time, where air needed to actually contribute or he'd be useless anyway. But looking at it from the POV that Xiivi brought up, it is definitely possible that this was a way to give justification to his vote without having to remove it.
It's also worth noting that, out of the players who are still alive, Vyse has the fewest posts. Even less than bowser king, which I found pretty surprising when I checked it.
Honestly, I'm also waiting to hear what your thoughts on the subject are Xiivi. You and I batted heads about Vyse earlier, and you thought he was scummy then. You have yet to comment on Tom's claim or Vyse at all.
The main reason why I thought Vyse was clear is something I didn't mention when this was brought up earlier. Mainly, the reason I assumed Vyse was clear earlier is because this is only his second game, right? And people said that, after-the-fact, he was really obvious in the last game, yes? Going off of that, I figured if he were scum again (just checked, he was indy in Grammy's, but he was still non-town), he'd make more obvious mistakes that we'd be able to catch him with. That, coupled with what else I'd had to say about Vyse in post 654 basically auto-cleared him in my mind for a while.
However, Tom's claim does clear up some of the doubts I'd had about him (Tom), chief among them why he'd pushed for an un-CC'd cop's lynch. Even though Eric didn't have any results, normally an un-CC'd cop is auto-cleared (Simpsons mafia, where Kev did this, is the exception to the rule). And the fact that he literally breadcrumbed in his first post after he got his role is helpful too.
So now I'm going back to see if I can find any flags in Vyse's history. I assumed that his flags would be larger and brighter than other people's, but maybe that was an incorrect assumption to make.
This could be an attempt to focus protective roles on Chibo, so that scum could make sure that their kill on someone else went through successfully. Xiivi commented on itVyse said:
I'm also now seriously re-looking at post 481, a post I originally said helped Vyse's innocence in my post 654. However, now looking at it that Vyse might be scum, it looks worse:Xiivi said:
Now that I look at it again, it could have been an attempt to make an easy ally out of Kataefi. He was backing up Kat even harder than I was, and was praising him for his good play in this game.Vyse said:
However, directly after the above, he posts
Seems to be trying not to step on air's toes even while he pushes on him. If the lynch doesn't end up on air, he's got another ally (I know it's not as simple as that, but these little compliments would go a long way in giving him a good public persona).Vyse said:
Also, re-examining, Xiivi may have been more correct about post 520, where Vyse gives air a deadline to answer his questions satisfactorily. I originally saw it as coming from the same place that I was in at the time, where air needed to actually contribute or he'd be useless anyway. But looking at it from the POV that Xiivi brought up, it is definitely possible that this was a way to give justification to his vote without having to remove it.
It's also worth noting that, out of the players who are still alive, Vyse has the fewest posts. Even less than bowser king, which I found pretty surprising when I checked it.
Honestly, I'm also waiting to hear what your thoughts on the subject are Xiivi. You and I batted heads about Vyse earlier, and you thought he was scummy then. You have yet to comment on Tom's claim or Vyse at all.
