Ok, so I just read through the entire topic. Here's what I've got so far. If anything brought up here has already been addressed, then oh well.
Xiivi vs. Susa!
Gave me a headache. I can't believe how much space this took up before even
half of the people in the game had posted.
--->This line is being added to the beginning of my post,
after my readthrough. I feel like going point-for-point about Susa at this time in the game would not only be worthless, but also annoying, as almost everything about him has been talked about to death. So this is just a catch-all about Susa from me: I agree with some of the concerns about him, however, I feel like most of the stuff brought up about him has just been overanalyzation. Anything that is overanalyzed ends up looking scummy, whether it actually is or not. It seemed to me that Susa was a newbie player who felt like he was completely trapped due to Xiivi's line of questioning. I also agree that his recent analysis of everyone left a lot to be desired. However, Susa's seen what happens when he throws out a serious vote: Xiivi jumps on his case. So I think he was looking for a way to vote someone without coming under suspicion himself. The best way to do that would be to go for who veteran players were going for, which at the time was Chibo. The rest of that post was fluff.<---
Xiivi asked air his opinions depending on what Susa would flip if he died:
§teel][COLOR="DeepSkyBlue said:
2nd Vote Count
airgemini (1) - Chaco
SuSa (3) - Xiivi, SuSa
Xiivi (1) - Crimson King
Not voting (8): Vyse, airgemini, bowser king, Kataefi, ChiboSempai, -Hilt-, Marc, Tom
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch![/COLOR]
@Steel: Is this vote count correct?
No one wants to be forced to role claim. Its a last resort and it seems like your at the situation where your pretty much going to have to because there isn't anyone else close to the amount of votes you have.
After looking everything thats happened in the last 4-5 pages....
Vote: Chibo
Up there as one of the most awful posts of the entire game, by far.
CK said:
Adding the vote just adds the pressure to figure out his power role. Whether or not Chibo is lying is not a concern, but forcing a role claim out of him to prove his innocence (versus the way I suggested) is ridiculous.
Nailed it.
bowser king said:
What else was he going to do? At this point, the only logical person to lynch was Chibo. Nobody wanted to vote any other candidate because there simply wasn't enough reason to.
Wrong. There are plenty of other players in this game. If there isn't enough reason to vote for someone else yet,
it's your job to make there enough reason to. As part of the town, it's your responsibility to give the town options, not just go along and force a PR to claim.
bowser king said:
Also, if I was mafia, why would I want to know your role when your almost about to get lynched?? I could have left it at that and you very likely were going to get lynched. I never said "Hey, lets kill him even though hes claimed such a big role!!". I don't get how its worse that you role claim then you getting lynched and us losing a good role. Sure you might lose it regardless but at least it wasn't through a lynch....
The point was that you made him claim in the first place, using almost no reasoning of your own. You just said "Yeah what everyone else said" and voted. You forced him to out himself, painting a huge target on his back in the process.
THANK THE LORD I'M ON THE LAST PAGE
To those who don't know, Kev doesn't normally explain his votes D1. Just accept it. To be honest, what I've found odd about Kev so far is the fact that he actually
did explain his case about Chibo, instead of just voting and asking people to BW with him.
AAAAND I'M DONE
Thank the Lord.
So, what have I learned from this analysis?
First of all:
Vote: airgemini
I haven't found much of anything he's said to be worthwhile. His "case" against Kataefi is a farce, at best, and anyone who's called out Kat for being overly defensive (here's looking at you, Xiivi) are clearly not reading the situation as a town who's being pressured for no reason and whose defense is not accepted in the slightest. If I were in Kat's position, I'd be understandably frustrated too.
Like I said earlier, I clearly saw Chibo's original "So I'm not mafia anymore?" as a joke, and it probably should have been ignored by everyone. However, the further that it
was questioned, the worse he made himself look. Instead of telling a story about trying to trap mafia, he should have just insisted it was a joke. We wouldn't have had to endure this terrible display of "scumhunting" from bowser king and others.
As for a bk lynch, I'm not sold on it yet. Yes, bk's play was awful, but I'm not convinced he's actually scum. And like you said CK, if he did flip town, I don't think it would tell us much.
So air is my pick not only for making a terrible case against Kat, AND not only entirely ignoring Kat's defense against the case, but ignoring most of the other players in the game entirely. If he's even voiced a serious opinion about anyone aside from Kat, and to a lesser extent, Xiivi and Susa, then I missed it.
