An index of "leaks" and status: forbrawlbattle's "second post" and Brawl360 removed

[Zinfandel]

Its just a coincidence...nothing more

You people read way too much into the most insignificant things, you really do

Two characters and whether they would be next in line. That is not insignificant.

Zek said: "For what it's worth guys, there's a Japanese ad out now(the long one with all the mode explanations) in which we see WW Link in villager clothes as a trophy. I think it's unlikely they would have shown that if he was playable."

Now this is an actual argument for once, but I think that trophies could be so ambiguous (the trophy doesn't tell whether the Young Link is a PC or not) that their inclusion is not that big of a deal.

Zek said: "Also, guessing Olimar and Sheik is NOT DIFFICULT. They were both basically shoe-in characters. Anybody could have guessed that."

The SSB series doesn't operate on the same plane as us mortals, so probability isn't everything. Also, two characters and whether there would be characters presented before them is definitely more probable to be informed rather than guesswork.

Once again - if one has to believe in anything, the Prima leak has stuff going for it.

Otherwise I second Terrabottuti's statements.

Serebii said: "Oh, its credible because an obvious character was in it and was placed after a likely character and they were revealled in that order?"

I haven't seen one other leak make a prediction that specific which later has been vindicated by official info. The Dragoon is more obscure, but it is a singular item.

Serebii said: "Why the hell would it be in the order the Dojo is releasing them? The order they were revealled does not corrolate to the games"

What do you mean here?

"Who does Serebii claim to be? An associate of Nintendo?"

Well he had some insider info on Diamond and Pearl (or maybe he just guessed and it was all a coincidence ) but I dunno whether he has had any other boosts to his credibility regarding any other games, be they part of the Pokémon franchise games or otherwise. Anyway, there is a chance he has been asked to go after the Prima leak but that notion is too conspiracy-minded.

rusashi said: "For the last time...

Serebii is a trusted source. He knows someone inside Nintendo. He leaked the Diamond/Pearl pokemon's before they were released."

He sure did, but that was a different game and there is a chance that he has been asked to go after this leak. A chance. hey, I am looking at different factors and even with Serebii's weight (which might decrease when it comes to non-Pokémon games) I am seeing the Prima leak with a decent numerical probability-wise.

Serebii said: "A Prima Graphics Designer has nothing to do with the Dojo. The order Characters are in in-game is nothing like the order they were revealled in. It is just a ****ing coincidence"

I do not know - dojo update schedules could be ready some time in advance (Sheik in Famitsu on the same day she appears on the Dojo? Weird.) and the dojo might go by some arbitrary order of convenience which the guide/instruction booklet/game stats pages follow as well. I understand your frustration but it seems to some people that you are asking for a faith towards you that is just as -if not more- lacking in base than that which we are giving to the Prima leak.

"As I said...Prima Guide Graphics Designers have NOTHHING to do with the Dojo"

Once again, there could be something arbitrary which the character lists in the game and in the guide follow for reasons of simplicity.

I think your claims that our lending the most cred to the Prima leak is irrational is entirely baseless - we have to go with probability and these "coincidences" point in one direction. We know it can be a coincidence, but "maybe-coincidences" are basically everything we have to go by anyway, and you are strangely unwilling to realize this.

Your frustration seems strange and adds a little credibility to the very improbable notion that you have been asked to go after an unfortunate leak.

 

[Serebii]

You're just trying to see patterns where there are none. Believe what you want, but I know its fake

 

[SAMaine]

Serebii, unless you got a PIC of Lucario in Brawl, then you CAN'T deconfirm this Prima Games guy. Meanwhile, this guy from Prima Games has an amazing coincidence surrounding HIS roster... He called Olimar being the next Newcomer update, and Sheik as the next Veteran update. As far as him knowing the order in which the characters appear, maybe that's how NINTENDO GAVE the list to Prima, as two lists, one of Newcomers and one of Veterans, straight from planned updates for the Dojo. There IS enough reasonable doubt and correct predictions TO put him on the index of leaks, and should Krystal or Jigglypuff appear next, I would DEMAND it. Big coincidences put ChaosZero and NyaseNya on the list, and this guy deserves to be on the list as well. Heck, we could even put "Deconfirmation: Lucario" in purple and as disagreeing with you. The Index of Leaks is meant to be a way to easily access leaks, which... and here's the kicker... MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE! FFSultan, The Almighty Goat, and Vatro Xu are still on the list despite being confirmed fakers, because their leaks SOUNDED right. Pretty much EVERYONE is on MY skepical list, unless it is confirmed on a major website like EGM with Sonic or in a major publication like Famitsu with Sheik, and oddly... the update following it, we got Sonic AND Sheik, respectfully.

This is providing, of course, that you do not have better proof of your claims of Lucario in the game.

 

[Zoolander]

I for one pray that One_Step is telling the truth. Sukapon is a rare find from "leakers".

And which one was prima games guy?

 

[Zinfandel]

"You're just trying to see patterns where there are none."

We are all trying to see where it is most probable that a pattern exists as of now.

"Believe what you want, but I know its fake"

I have factored in that you have said that you have a dead lock.

Listen, even if Swarm of Hanafuda Cards are introduced as the next newcomer tomorrow I won't feel I have egg on my face or anything - if you are not sure which shape a die has, and some numbers are more probable to appear than others, you look for clues. You find a clue that is faaaar from ironcast but still manages to be more probable than the others. So, you go with that. If you feel your voice should have more weight then say something other than "I know this is fake at least." Otherwise you have no right to be annoyed, and may as well let us see our chimeras in the tealeaves in peace.

 

[Serebii]

Serebii, unless you got a PIC of Lucario in Brawl, then you CAN'T deconfirm this Prima Games guy. Meanwhile, this guy from Prima Games has an amazing coincidence surrounding HIS roster... He called Olimar being the next Newcomer update, and Sheik as the next Veteran update. As far as him knowing the order in which the characters appear, maybe that's how NINTENDO GAVE the list to Prima, as two lists, one of Newcomers and one of Veterans, straight from planned updates for the Dojo. There IS enough reasonable doubt and correct predictions TO put him on the index of leaks, and should Krystal or Jigglypuff appear next, I would DEMAND it. Big coincidences put ChaosZero and NyaseNya on the list, and this guy deserves to be on the list as well. Heck, we could even put "Deconfirmation: Lucario" in purple and as disagreeing with you. The Index of Leaks is meant to be a way to easily access leaks, which... and here's the kicker... MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE! FFSultan, The Almighty Goat, and Vatro Xu are still on the list despite being confirmed fakers, because their leaks SOUNDED right. Pretty much EVERYONE is on MY skepical list, unless it is confirmed on a major website like EGM with Sonic or in a major publication like Famitsu with Sheik, and oddly... the update following it, we got Sonic AND Sheik, respectfully.

This is providing, of course, that you do not have better proof of your claims of Lucario in the game.

Nintendo DONT give information to the people to make guides. They give them the bloody game and thats how they make the guides. They dont just make guides based upon lists that Nintendo gives them

Also, I have not claimed Lucario is in the game. People are inferring that, but I have not once said it thank you very much

 

[Zoolander]

I for one pray that One_Step is telling the truth. Sukapon is a rare find from "leakers".

And which one was prima games guy?

As much as I trust Serebii, he's only a tiny bit higher than the other "leakers" because of his reputation. Because he's bound by trust, he has as much proof as the other "prophets".

 

[Elysium]

We can take Serebii's word that it's fake if we want.

But until this roster is *proven* fake, the question isn't is it fake. The real question is where is it fake. Like I said it would go down until Megaman and G&W. If Krystal or Jiggs are revealed as the next character, they we play another round. Simple as that simple as that until we find the flaw.

 

[Masque]

Good god, I discredited that roster leak ages ago, keep up

I thought so. Good to know that I'm not going crazy. I thought these Nintendrone POS leaks died months ago...evidently not. Can't we just let the dead rest in peace (or pieces)?

I'm just curious what's so great about Claus, his character thread is pretty much broken (picture wise), what is he, a sword fighter or something? We have so many of those x_x

The descriptions on the thread still work, though. Claus has an arm cannon, a lightning-slashing sword (not to mention the ability to launch a lightning bolt on its own), metal wings (aided by a jetpack), AND the ability to use PSI, including the most powerful technique (PK Love).

Watch this video for major spoilers: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_aDV4vJUtxY

 

[Black/Light]

anyone complaining about a roster of 35 is brain dead.

Say we get a roster of 45, guarantee we get clones in there. Then the people who complained about the roster of 35 will complain about clones. This game is not a MMO, we don't pay for it monthly, not everyone is going to be happy, and nothing will come from complaining. Pay your 50$ and stfu.

I hope Geno isn't in this game, because I bet 90% of these people complaining about the roster of 35 want Geno, Cloud Strife, and every other extremely popular Square character in this game. Seriously, stop whining guys.

Ok people, Ok people. lets do some MATH!

Eyes HERE, arses DOWN.

How many chars are known so fare on the Dojo?
12 new comers + 13 vets = 25

Keeping up
*Yes honorable Black/Light*

Ok, and just call me Black/Light. .

NOW, lets see how many vets are likely to come given Doc/ Pichu/ Roy and maybe even Mew2 are gone.
Ganon= . . .need I say more
CF=. . .again
Jpuff= Confirmed by Snake's VA
Luigi=. . .again, need I say more?
G&W=. . .
Falco=. . . . . .Again
Marth= FE fanboys seem to see him as a shoe in
Y Link= I can see him getting canned all together. People may not agree with me but I have yet to see any 2 chars from the same series in completely different styles. Could be CS, could be TP looking, could be gone all together.
Ness= got a chance of coming back.


Thats about 8-9 vets coming.

Lets assume all the vets we assume to see are coming back. . .
25+9=34
Meaning only one new char is coming. . .PLUS the whole Lucario replacing Mew2 thing along with Nya saying Wolf was in and thats 36. Could be subbed by 1-2 according to the unknown vets.

In all we would be getting mostly vets from here on out and 1-3 new chars if enuff vets are chopped off.

I really don't think 12 of the 13-15 new chars to brawl are on the dojo right now but it's up to you all to believe.

Oh, and 45=/=auto clones. Thats dumb ars logic.

 

[Aurora Jenny]

That's it. Someone pull up all the unconfirmed characters, and compare. It's not Mewtwo or Lucario.. so it's got to be someone else. It's making my head spin trying to figure out what Serebii sees that we don't.

 

[Little Red Corvette]

Since a lot of people in this thread are either leakers, prophets, or followers of those people, I want to ask this question: why is it so believable that Ness (a character virtually identical to one we already know is in Brawl) could be in Brawl and that Mewtwo (who barely resembles the character that would "replace" him) is out? Just saying, the only reason for Mewtwo to be out if Lucario is in is "too many Pokemon representatives," yet there is plenty of logic behind Ness not appearing (his near-exclusion from Melee most notably).

 

[Saltwater Gem]

Well, I'm glad to see you've replied EXACTLY how I expected you to... really tense and defensively. I'm beginning to believe this leak could be real by how militant you're being about this... besides, the Prima leak has Mewtwo and everyone around here knows how agressive you've been towards ANY roster with Mewtwo in it. Perhaps you've been puling the wool over our eyes all this time to protect yourself?

You have to remember that this Prima leak was out for more than a month before Nintendo made the Olimar and Shiek updates... you could say they were likely characters, but so are a lot of others. Nintendo could have spotted this leak and thrown someone like Captain Falcon into the works because HE'S likely too, but guess what? They didn't... maybe Nintendo is FORCED to reveal these characters in this order now and they are just hoping nobody will notice.

I think you are a very trustworthy source Serebii...I just think you're trying to hide the real leak from us, simply because you'd be in big trouble if you said "yes this is the real leak". The fact you're being so defensive doesn't help either... you've seen how all those silly false prophets acted, right? You could be ignoring us with our ******** theories, but no, you're fighting back. Why? I'd say it's because we're actually onto something here.

Holy crap, man you are just grasping at straws for utterly ridiculous non-logic and complete asinine 'theories.'

As I admitted earlier in this thread, I once made a bunch of crap up to see how gullible everyone was on GameFAQs, and so far everything that I GUESSED so far has come true. Or maybe I didn't really guess and I actually DO know and I'm just saying that I guessed to stay out of trouble.

NO. Some things are just plain easy to guess and the surrounding details can be filled in by your wishful thinking combined with clever vagueness from the faker.

You want to know which one the real leak is? Well I'll tell you... the real roster is the one that doesn't include the one character you're absolutely dying for, has less characters then hoped for, and a bunch of seemingly useless oddballs.

 

[Pieman0920]

That's it. Someone pull up all the unconfirmed characters, and compare. It's not Mewtwo or Lucario.. so it's got to be someone else. It's making my head spin trying to figure out what Serebii sees that we don't.

Y'know if you combine Mewtwo's evil-ish though not technically evil legendary Pokemon status with Lucario's 4th generation Poke with a movie status, you get a certain dark-type legendary Pokemon with a more recent movie than Lucario~

 

[Saltwater Gem]

I don't know if this has been pointed out yet, but in the new Japanese video, Krystal's sticker is large, the size of one of the playable characters sticker. COINCIDENCE?! Or maybe Sakurai did that on purpose to make us THINK she is but she ISN'T?! It COULD BE that he predicted THAT line of thinking and she really is!!! I can come up with completely stupid theories TOO!

 

[Zinfandel]

Holy crap, man you are just grasping at straws for utterly ridiculous non-logic and complete asinine 'theories.'

NO. Some things are just plain easy to guess and the surrounding details can be filled in by your wishful thinking combined with clever vagueness from the faker.

Can you guess the next newcomer and veteran? Because that is the only thing here - there are no details filled in - it's just me, looking at factors and different explanations, weighing things differently, and coming to a conclusion that is no better than anyone elses.

Neither "side" in this "argument" (it is more of an attempt to express cognitive workings and raise different explanations) has the right to rub this is anyone's face if they are proven right (unless the other side has been asking for it, and I apologize if I haven't adhered to the golden rule) because we are all in the same fog, giving different clues of varying ambiguity and solidity more weight based on unconscious bias and previous experiences. Serebii says he has a solid debunking of one such siren call, and I have weighed that in. Yes I have imposed a pattern, and no I do not think I have chosen to see it in a more irrational place than others have.

It's the internet - until people start posting e-mail adresses or bring up politics/furries and Halo 3 it should tend towards being harmless fun.

 

[Terrabottuti]

Holy crap, man you are just grasping at straws for utterly ridiculous non-logic and complete asinine 'theories.'

As I admitted earlier in this thread, I once made a bunch of crap up to see how gullible everyone was on GameFAQs, and so far everything that I GUESSED so far has come true. Or maybe I didn't really guess and I actually DO know and I'm just saying that I guessed to stay out of trouble.

NO. Some things are just plain easy to guess and the surrounding details can be filled in by your wishful thinking combined with clever vagueness from the faker.

You want to know which one the real leak is? Well I'll tell you... the real roster is the one that doesn't include the one character you're absolutely dying for, has less characters then hoped for, and a bunch of seemingly useless oddballs.

I agree, I am grasping at straws and making completely illogical theories... until we can get some concrete evidence there's really nothing else we can do. I just happened to spot quite a few ties that could make this Prima leak a little more than an easily guessable coincedence, but however like every little stupid theory of for Brawl, it needs more time. Quite frankly, I don't want to be right about this fruitless matter, I'm just presenting this possibility because I'm bored. Like every other leaker out there.

I wish the Melee roster never got leaked anyway, because this sort of thing is really riling me up... I'm just expecting a real roster to turn up somewhere, but because the Melee leak happened, it can now just come out of anywhere at any time. It sucks.

Anyway, the one character I'm absolutely dying for is Luigi, and but some reason he's very unpopular with most leakers... oh Luigi, how I'll miss thee!

 

[SAMaine]

Nintendo DONT give information to the people to make guides. They give them the bloody game and thats how they make the guides. They dont just make guides based upon lists that Nintendo gives them

Also, I have not claimed Lucario is in the game. People are inferring that, but I have not once said it thank you very much

Then what IS wrong with it? Jigglypuff's not in the game? Because you haven't claimed that Lucario is in or that Mewtwo is out, but yet use your clout as the Great Pokemon Webmaster to confirm and deconfirm and reconfirm and such. I utterly HATE it when people flaunt having knowledge that they won't or can't give.

I mean... I run a small Smash Bros. fansite, and even if I had all the info right here on my desk or the game in my Wii, I would probably be too busy working on my fansite or playing Brawl and putting notes down to even care about if the rest of the internet is completely wrong. If I signed an NDA, I'd be completely avoiding anything Smash Bros. related but my own website and the official Nintendo source. If I was a real prophet, I'd be using my power on Lottery Tickets and not measly character lists.

Oh and to the clarify to the eager masses, I used that as an example... I have absolutely no info on Brawl beyond what SmashWiki and the Dojo say. I do not have the game in my Wii. I do not have inside sources or psychic powers, and my character lists are at best educated guesses and at worst, completely and utterly wrong.

 

[Saltwater Gem]

All you're really doing is aggravating our only guy who can definitively lend some insight on issues while torturing yourselves by putting false hope and thought into a story that was ADMITTED fake and lives by sheer luck. That is why I think it's best to just let it go.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Why are people defending a list that was proven fake? Because Olimar and SHeik were listed in the right order???


I demand you all listen to whatever I say who is in because I predicted Olimar as the next newcomer and sheik as the next veteran for a LONG time...

 

[Talendime]

Why are people defending a list that was proven fake?

I believe you and everything, but just out of curiosity, how was it proven fake?

 

[SAMaine]

Proven fake? Proven fake by WHAT? Serebii saying it's fake? Heck, half the people here go around saying a roster is fake because RIDLEY'S on it. Because Krystal and Young Link have stickers and trophies? Mario and Samus have stickers and trophies that are not them as playable characters! If anything, that PROVES Young Link is in since the Young Link trophy is called "Casual Clothes Link" and wears PJs and not you know, "Link (Wind Waker)" and in his familar green outfit. And the sticker thing is even more off since Sonic has 2 stickers based on his Genesis artwork. The fact a character is a trophy or a sticker DOES NOT deconfirm them... Only if they are Assists or Pokeballs.

Either way, I am willing to drop the subject unless the next character is Krystal or Jigglypuff. First time, it's a fluke. Second time, it's a coincidence. Third time, it's a pattern!

 

[Zinfandel]

Why are people defending a list that was proven fake? Because Olimar and SHeik were listed in the right order???


I demand you all listen to whatever I say who is in because I predicted Olimar as the next newcomer and sheik as the next veteran for a LONG time...

Did you really do that or are you positing an analogous situation?

Anyway, the reason I look at the Prima leak as a possible authentic leak despite the admittance of fakeness from the OP at Gfaqs and Serebii at Nintendrone (who was the main spreader of the original leak at Gfaqs) is simply because it's all up there - different factors pointing here and there, possiblt not having that much weight when you think about it.

For example - Krystal as a render from Assault -not a game model- is shown as a sticker in the "How to Play" video, but so is a render of Samus that is not a game model, so that could be whatever. Same thing about the YL trophy . YL doesn't look like a game model and lacks a sword, but that doesn't have to be his only appearance in the game - it could just be a way to showcase his "2nd playthrough" clothes (notice his awkward expression).

Straws? Yes. Am I building a house for the rest of my life? No.

Sorry, but to me two chars in the right place in time has a high probability of reflecting authenticity. Then there is the Golden Sun link I posted at the Krystal thread, but that can be explained away as well if one took the time.

 

[MilesPrower]

16. One_Step87
One_Step87 is a member of the new Brawl Central forums and posted findings he supposedly received from a friend in Japan who works at Famitsu, that told him Super Mario Galaxy stuff that turned out to be true. He says he will not reveal anything else until the day before the release of Brawl. Here's the post: One_Step87's Post

Here's a summary of what he said:
-Roster: 38 1st & 2nd Party Characters (Disagrees with NyaseNya, who says 35 total)
-Character: Lucario (Agrees with most)
-Character: Geno (Agrees with UltimateX64)
-Character: Krystal (ChaoticImplosion says she is an AT)
-Character: Wolf O'Donnell (Agrees with ChaoticImplosion & ChaosZero)
-Character: Wind Waker Link (Agrees with NyaseNya)
-Character: Marth (rapscouter says Marth is being replaced)
-Character: Sukapon
-Character: Paper Mario
-Character: WarioWare Character
-Character: WTF 3rd Party
-Boss: Congazuma (DK: King of Swing)
-Assist Trophy: Roy
-Stage: Dr. Mario-based Stage
-Stage: "Time Machine" (pays homage to old school games)
-Stage: Tetris DS Stage
-Stage: Wind Waker Stage
-Subspace Emissary Detail: Shadow Bugs (Being that combines with other Shadow Bugs to create Primids) (1/15/2007) Big Primid Trophy Info confirming the existence of Shadow Bugs
-Subspace Emissary Detail: Assisting Assist Trophies (they help you out in SSE) (Agrees with a rapscouter comment)
-Subspace Emissary Detail: Master Hand
-Subspace Emissary Detail: High Scoring Characters on Sakurai's Poll
-Unlock Method: Geno: Unlock Geno via Subspace Emissary
-Unlock Method: Sukapon: Beat Every Event
-Deconfirmation: Dr. Mario
-Other: Not all characters that scored high on Sakurai's Poll will be playable.

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EARTHWORM FREAKING JIM FTW!!!!

Originally, that was just a joke, but now I really, really would like to see him.


And Smashboards is just as weird. u.u Why is it always timing out these days? It's not my connection; everything else loads fast and profoundly.

So I'm sorry if this is posted multiple times.

 

[Zinfandel]

I believe you and everything, but just out of curiosity, how was it proven fake?

I think the Prima leak originated in a Gfaqs thread, then a blog called Nintendrone picked it up at a time between Ice Climbers and Sheik/DeDeDe and Olimar.

Later, I have it said by some that the OP or someone in the GFaqs thread said the Prima leak was fake, and Nintendrone said that Serebii had told them the roster was fake as well.

That's all I know. What Serebii knows and whether he has exhibited any foresight into official information outside of the Diamond/Pearl predicitions I do not know - apparently he knows which Pokémon are supposed to be PCs in Brawl, but I do wonder exactly why he is so adamant about this rumor and why he bothered to contact Nintendrone.

Once again, I do not know but he seems to think he is not being elusive and unconvincing at all.

 

[Krell]

Wow, I actually hope OneStep is right. Though I don't believe any rumors, they are all probably fake. Have to wait until the 1st or 2nd to know for sure.

 

[Zinfandel]

EARTHWORM FREAKING JIM FTW!!!!

Originally, that was just a joke, but now I really, really would like to see him.


And Smashboards is just as weird. u.u Why is it always timing out these days? It's not my connection; everything else loads fast and profoundly.

So I'm sorry if this is posted multiple times.

This OneStep character - has he been able to prove his friend gave him Galaxy info that was later given by an official source? Not that I want to scream fake or whatever.

Also, seconded on the lagging - half of the time pages won't load on any browser and then there is the whole thing with quotes and editing.

 

[Serebii]

For the record, I never contacted Nintendrone...he must have seen my posts in here or something like that

 

[SAMaine]

I think the Prima leak originated in a Gfaqs thread, then a blog called Nintendrone picked it up at a time between Ice Climbers and Sheik/DeDeDe and Olimar.

Later, I have it said by some that the OP or someone in the GFaqs thread said the Prima leak was fake, and Nintendrone said that Serebii had told them the roster was fake as well.

That's all I know. What Serebii knows and whether he has exhibited any foresight into official information outside of the Diamond/Pearl predicitions I do not know - apparently he knows which Pokémon are supposed to be PCs in Brawl, but I do wonder exactly why he is so adamant about this rumor and why he bothered to contact Nintendrone.

Once again, I do not know but he seems to think he is not being elusive and unconvincing at all.

That IS weird... Almost as if... SOMEONE is trying to make this supposibly fake roster LOOK fake... But that's crazy conspiracy talk! Let's wait for the next fighter to appear, before we discuss if this leak is real or not.

 

[Serebii]

For the record, I never contacted Nintendrone...he must have seen my posts in here or something like that

 

[kingjoekur]

almightyserebii

 

[Saltwater Gem]

Proven fake? Proven fake by WHAT?

The author of said article admitting it's fake. Serebii saying it's fake. Taking potshots at Serebii, a guy who knows things, and believing an article that has been ADMITTED TO BEING FAKE because of a slight coincidence... I mean get over it people.

Oh and I PRAY that OneStep is wrong because it seems to allude to no Ridley.

 

[skiks]

Then what IS wrong with it? Jigglypuff's not in the game? Because you haven't claimed that Lucario is in or that Mewtwo is out, but yet use your clout as the Great Pokemon Webmaster to confirm and deconfirm and reconfirm and such. I utterly HATE it when people flaunt having knowledge that they won't or can't give.

I mean... I run a small Smash Bros. fansite, and even if I had all the info right here on my desk or the game in my Wii, I would probably be too busy working on my fansite or playing Brawl and putting notes down to even care about if the rest of the internet is completely wrong. If I signed an NDA, I'd be completely avoiding anything Smash Bros. related but my own website and the official Nintendo source. If I was a real prophet, I'd be using my power on Lottery Tickets and not measly character lists.

Oh and to the clarify to the eager masses, I used that as an example... I have absolutely no info on Brawl beyond what SmashWiki and the Dojo say. I do not have the game in my Wii. I do not have inside sources or psychic powers, and my character lists are at best educated guesses and at worst, completely and utterly wrong.

Dude Chill out.
it's not that hard to try and infer what Serebii says. It's obvious he'd get in trouble if he told straight out what he knows.
Also realise it's just a game. It's not what your existence depends on.

 

[YSM]

Ok, so let me get this straight...some of you guys believe that:

Someone originally leaked the entire roster. However, Nintendo quickly found it and forced them to pretend it was fake and they made it up. However, the Prima leak was ordered in the exact manner of the Dojo(this not only implies that Sakurai had every single day of the Dojo planned out for months in advance, including the two delays, but also that this Dojo list was given to Prima for whatever inexplicable reason). Now, instead of the obvious solution, which would simply be to change the order in which characters were revealed, they instead decide to force Serebii, mafia style, to lie to all of us and make us THINK it's a fake roster by hinting at Lucario when he's not in in the first place.


Am I missing anything? Oh right, Nintendo is also part of the Illuminati and has already decided the next president of the United States.


Unbelievable. Two consecutive characters that just happen to be in the order of the Prima leak and all hell breaks loose. Look, it's NOT as if Sakurai said "hey, let's plan out ever single update for every single day for the next 5+ months in an order that CANNOT be altered, and then send it to Prima and hope they decide to list their characters in that exact order". And it's also ludicrous to assume that, IF this leak WAS real and Nintendo wants to suppress it, that they can't simply tell Sakurai to update one character before another to throw us all off. They aren't operating on some list that they MUST go by or else the universe implodes. And let's face it, if Nintendo would go to the ludicrous extent of forcing Serebii to lie to us, there would be no doubt that they know about this silly little character theory and simply throw it off. For example, they would say "hey, they're on to us, let's reveal Krystal BEFORE Olimar to throw everyone off!"

This theory is more ridiculous than Loose Change, and that's saying a lot.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Did you really do that or are you positing an analogous situation?

Anyway, the reason I look at the Prima leak as a possible authentic leak despite the admittance of fakeness from the OP at Gfaqs and Serebii at Nintendrone (who was the main spreader of the original leak at Gfaqs) is simply because it's all up there - different factors pointing here and there, possiblt not having that much weight when you think about it.

For example - Krystal as a render from Assault -not a game model- is shown as a sticker in the "How to Play" video, but so is a render of Samus that is not a game model, so that could be whatever. Same thing about the YL trophy . YL doesn't look like a game model and lacks a sword, but that doesn't have to be his only appearance in the game - it could just be a way to showcase his "2nd playthrough" clothes (notice his awkward expression).

Straws? Yes. Am I building a house for the rest of my life? No.

Sorry, but to me two chars in the right place in time has a high probability of reflecting authenticity. Then there is the Golden Sun link I posted at the Krystal thread, but that can be explained away as well if one took the time.

I'm sorry, but am I the only one who figured it was obvious that Sheik was going to be the next veteran???

I mean, I figured Sheik was going to return...and they haven't unveiled ANY veteran that has been secret before...SO I figured they would continue that "Pattern" and release Sheik next...

Olimar was obvious because he was the only newcomer I was 100% sure on...If anyone actually did reaserch into the character, it would have been obvious...

 

[Elysium]

Ok, so let me get this straight...some of you guys believe that:

Someone originally leaked the entire roster. However, Nintendo quickly found it and forced them to pretend it was fake and they made it up. However, the Prima leak was ordered in the exact manner of the Dojo(this not only implies that Sakurai had every single day of the Dojo planned out for months in advance, including the two delays, but also that this Dojo list was given to Prima for whatever inexplicable reason). Now, instead of the obvious solution, which would simply be to change the order in which characters were revealed, they instead decide to force Serebii, mafia style, to lie to all of us and make us THINK it's a fake roster by hinting at Lucario when he's not in in the first place.

A couple things are wrong with this. I don't know where you got the idea that Nintendo got a hold of the leaker and forced him to lie.
Sakurai wouldn't need the dojo updates months in advance, the roster (when I saw it posted) said Dec.3. So really only about a month in advance, but only the character updates. The delays have nothing to do with the leak. I'm pretty sure Serebii isn't being forced to do anything...aside from not tell what he knows.

Am I missing anything? Oh right, Nintendo is also part of the Illuminati and has already decided the next president of the United States.

I wouldn't doubt the second part of this statement...just the involvement of the Illiminati

Unbelievable. Two consecutive characters that just happen to be in the order of the Prima leak and all hell breaks loose. Look, it's NOT as if Sakurai said "hey, let's plan out ever single update for every single day for the next 5+ months in an order that CANNOT be altered, and then send it to Prima and hope they decide to list their characters in that exact order". And it's also ludicrous to assume that, IF this leak WAS real and Nintendo wants to suppress it, that they can't simply tell Sakurai to update one character before another to throw us all off. They aren't operating on some list that they MUST go by or else the universe implodes. And let's face it, if Nintendo would go to the ludicrous extent of forcing Serebii to lie to us, there would be no doubt that they know about this silly little character theory and simply throw it off. For example, they would say "hey, they're on to us, let's reveal Krystal BEFORE Olimar to throw everyone off!"

This theory is more ridiculous than Loose Change, and that's saying a lot.

How did all hell break loose? Once again...where are you getting the multiple months? They could give us different character. But the roster came out Dec.3 and it called Olimar, then sheik in that order. Thats why people are paying attention to it. Not because it's 100 percent true, but because it's interesting. Some call it a coincidence, or think we're on to something.
Zin and myself aren't claiming that the list is 100 percent right, as Serebii has already stated that it's not. Zin's following it because (i believe) so far it has the most going for it. Correct me if I'm wrong Zin.
I'm following it to find out where it's wrong. That could happen any day now and it wouldn't matter since in the end it's going to be wrong anyway according to Serebii. If we do get Jiggs, and krystal and we keep going down the list we're going to hit a wrong character and then I'll be happy.

 

[Pieman0920]

Why are people assuming that the leak was even meant to be in any special order? It was probably just random, and this is all a coincidence. (Though Sheik getting in at this time was obvious if you followed the pattern) =/

 

[Elysium]

Why are people assuming that the leak was even meant to be in any special order? It was probably just random, and this is all a coincidence. (Though Sheik getting in at this time was obvious if you followed the pattern) =/

To find out if it's all just a coincidence, and to pursue the never-ending question of "What if?".

 

[Machspeed]

Why are people assuming that the leak was even meant to be in any special order? It was probably just random, and this is all a coincidence. (Though Sheik getting in at this time was obvious if you followed the pattern) =/

Agreed.

A very odd coincidence, could possibly be true, but then again I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Don't follow the leaks guys, we have what; less than 3 weeks till Japan knows the full roster? Just wait for the Dojo to update characters or for Japanese information; either way it's not too far beyond the horizon.

 

[Aurora Jenny]

For the record, I don't think anyone who's posted here is legit, aside from Serebii who hasn't said anything except to debunk lists, and most particularly Nintendrone's who seems to have come out of the woodwork to restate that his is fake. Everyone needs to step back and take a deep breath and calm down. These are just rumors, and well-educated guesses. In Rapscouter's case, we might want to reconsider that second delay being a strike. It sounds like no one could have foreseen this one happening.