An index of "leaks" and status: forbrawlbattle's "second post" and Brawl360 removed

[Gold_Darkness]

Speaking of him, has he said anything else lately? I'm surprised he hasn't said more.

 

[RandomGuy42]

ChaosZero's spot still needs some cleaning up. There are (dis)agreements with both Vetro Xu/SuperStarShip, both of which are fake.

 

[YSM]

A couple things are wrong with this. I don't know where you got the idea that Nintendo got a hold of the leaker and forced him to lie.

Well, that's what people are saying. They're suggesting that the reason he said he lied and made up the roster is because Nintendo saw it and forced him to pretend he made it up. Why else would he say he lied if he really didnt?

Sakurai wouldn't need the dojo updates months in advance, the roster (when I saw it posted) said Dec.3. So really only about a month in advance, but only the character updates. The delays have nothing to do with the leak. I'm pretty sure Serebii isn't being forced to do anything...aside from not tell what he knows.

I'm pretty sure that roster was posted before that...regardless, though, in order for this Prima leak to follow the Dojo, Prima would have had to have received the order in which characters would be released on the Dojo. There's simply no reason for that to happen. Also, some people ARE suggesting Serebii might be being forced to lie about this roster, just read a couple pages back.

 

[Saltwater Gem]

A question to Serebii: Once the 31st hits, will you answer anything we ask you?

 

[yoshi_fan]

I doubt this, I am pretty sure it is just a coincedence.

I don't think so.

I had this theory for a LOOONG time... but i thought i was crazy. I read somewhere it did happen something like this between webs when the pokes of diamond/pearl were out (even i remember the first leak of the starters, the turtle, the penguin, and the monkey, and serebii deconfirmed that... only for putting in his web after a long time after...)

Serebii tell the truth already, or you are going to get -> DEBUNKED!

 

[RandomGuy42]

Jeez, I wish I'd been here earlier. I could've saved Serebii a lot of trouble and this thread a lot of pages.

To restate was has been said too many times: The Prima Roster is FAKE!

How do I know this? Because the original poster denied it in the very same thread the fake roster was posted in. Again, this has been said many times.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/Dark_Random/fakeleak.jpg

There is the original post. Many of you seem to be under the impression that the Nintendrone was the first to "leak" it. This is not true, that blog took it from this thread.

I followed this thread to it's conclusion, as I too, thought it looked authentic (there was most likely some Isaac bias there). After suckering in a lot of people into the thread, the user posted an "image of the back cover of the Brawl boxart". This was just a delibrately bad Paint job, and after that the user confessed to being fake.

However, the damage was already done. Other users took it to other forums. The Nintendrone posted it up, spreading the roster further, and not everyone caught the admission on Page 16 or whatever. MetalIceWolf (The user who had created the "Roxas XIII" account for the purposes of "leaking" this roster) made another thread with the intent of announcing the fakery, but still this did not stop the spread.

Taking a detour here, as you can see, this was posted on the 4th of December (for me, though I'm Australian, so that would make it December 3rd in America). So it's no great big surprise that the characters up until there are in order. The Sheik and Olimar thing, however, is just one big coincidence. People do get lucky with their guesses, you know?

Since I know no-one here will take these words without proof, I've hunted down a non-GameFAQs spot where MetalIceWolf admitted making it up.

http://www.thewiieffect.com/2007/12/06/brawl-roster-leak/

That site ran the story. On the 3rd comment, she admits making it up. She has her own picture of the first post from after the mods took it down that proves she is the original poster (You can only view your own moderated messages).

I hope this clears up any final misconceptions about this roster.

 

[Gold_Darkness]

I don't think so.

I had this theory for a LOOONG time... but i thought i was crazy. I read somewhere it did happen something like this between webs when the pokes of diamond/pearl were out (even i remember the first leak of the starters, the turtle, the penguin, and the monkey, and serebii deconfirmed that... only for putting in his web after a long time after...)

Serebii tell the truth already, or you are going to get -> DEBUNKED!

What was deconfirmed was the images that were claimed to be the starter trio. People putting up fakes during a new Pokemon generation release was very common. It just became safer to wait for the next Coro Coro during that time.

 

[yoshi_fan]

For what it's worth guys, there's a Japanese ad out now(the long one with all the mode explanations) in which we see WW Link in villager clothes as a trophy. I think it's unlikely they would have shown that if he was playable.

Also, guessing Olimar and Sheik is NOT DIFFICULT. They were both basically shoe-in characters. Anybody could have guessed that.

I think that throphies really confirms WW link.

Why?

Only no playable characters gets wtf throphies (remember mario with mario and yoshi, and a lot others marios. Same for the other characters)

If WW link wasn't a PC, they would show it up in his normal wear... and not his pyjamas. Don't you think so?

And the starter trio decnfirmed by images was the dark/ghost/psy one. The penguin and animal nonsense was deconfirmed later.

Edit: (for random guy)

A paint boxart??? LOL, that only makes more sense to the theory of he being obligated to "fake" it. think... any prophet would have used other thing but NOT PAINT, **** is ridiculous...

 

[Saltwater Gem]

Thank God. Can we put this rampant paranoia to a close finally?

 

[Zek]

Whether or not you guys trust Serebii, can you at least understand that he is a far more credible source than some random guy that showed up on GameFAQs and started making claims? If it's his word against theirs, there's no reason you should believe them. Some of you guys are way too eager to support a "prophet" just because you like their roster.

 

[PyrasTerran]

Question:

If Serebii's leaker information on the original post has him saying that Lucario is in the game, and yet he says himself just a few pages ago:

"Also, I have not claimed Lucario is in the game. People are inferring that, but I have not once said it thank you very much"

Then why does the first post of this thread still have that under his information?

 

[yoshi_fan]

Whether or not you guys trust Serebii, can you at least understand that he is a far more credible source than some random guy that showed up on GameFAQs and started making claims? If it's his word against theirs, there's no reason you should believe them. Some of you guys are way too eager to support a "prophet" just because you like their roster.

I have two questions:

Why do you are like that? I mean, is like you are going to lose your life if this roster isn't debunked ...

second:

serebii: say what's wrong with the roster, or i'm not going to believe you anymore... (if i did in the past, so many problem between pokemon sites and that's a thing pokemon-fans hate)

well nothing more your honor ^^

 

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

I would think that showing us WWLink deconfirms him, however, I've learned by now that Sakurai is Master of Mindgames. So he might be pulling the reverse psychology. or double-reverse, or even triple! (which is just normal reverse, but whatever).

It could be insinuating A LOT of things. Let's leave it as is, and stop trampling on my dreams, ya big jerk!

 

[anonymous535]

Viewtiful Joe is One_Step87's "WTF 3rd Party" character.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Viewtiful Joe is One_Step87's "WTF 3rd Party" character.

Viewtiful Joe isn't gettin in Brawl

 

[RandomGuy42]

A paint boxart??? LOL, that only makes more sense to the theory of he being obligated to "fake" it. think... any prophet would have used other thing but NOT PAINT, **** is ridiculous...

What the hell? I think you entirely misinterpreted that part. It was just black and white, a rough square drawn in, stupid text like "Lolz this is teh boxart!" and "OVER 9000 characters!". It wasn't even pretending to be real, by that point.

 

[FlipTroopa]

Smashboards crashed while I was trying to make some posts. Aye yi yi...

Anonymous01 from BrawlCentral posts:

http://brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=489

copy pasted:
Veteran Fighters
------------------------
-Mario
-Luigi - Jumps higher than Mario and uses a different fighting style.
-Link
-Kirby
-Pikachu
-Fox
-Samus
-Zelda - Can transform into Sheik. Though this Sheik isn't the one we loved playing as in Melee, this Sheik is an updated TP inspired model.
-Bowser
-Donkey Kong
-Yoshi
-Peach
-Ice Climbers
-Marth
-Captain Falcon
-Mr Game & Watch
-Gannondorf - TP model
-Ness - Has a completely different style of play than his SSB and Melee counterpart.
-Mewtwo - Fighting style changed slightly (for the better)
-Jigglypuff - Fighting style changed slightly (for the better)
-Falco - Has a completely new moveset. He may not be as fast as Fox himself, but deals a bit more damage.

New Commers
----------------------------

-Pit
-Wario
-Zero Suit Samus - Only playable after using Samus' FS
-Ike -
-Pokemon Trainer
-Takamaru - From Nazo no Murasame-jō (JP only released game).
-Diddy Kong
-Vaati - A new, updated character model.
-Meta Knight
-Snake
-Young Link - Has a different moveset than Link, is a bit faster and in SSBB he will have an upgraded character model which isTP inspired.
-Lucas
-Lucario - A highly demanded character. Sakurai was skeptical about including him due to too many pokemon characters in the game, but went along with it at last minute.
-Sonic
-King Dedede
-Wolf O'Donnell - From the Star Fox series
-Pikmin & Olimar
-Black Shadow - From the F-Zero series.
-Animal Crosser - Alt costume consists of 2 male models and 2 female models. (FS is pretty hilarious, but I wont spoil it)
-Mii - Able to use a character from Mii channel. Same FS and moves for all Miis obviously.
-Andy - From the Advance Wars series.
-Ray 01 - From the Custom Robo series
-Bowser Jr - Imagine a faster bowser, though weaker (not to be confused with Baby Bowser, who wont be in this game).
-Geno - Was put in to feed the fans basically, Sakurai wasn't going to add him, but wants this game to appeal to fans and last a long time (at least till the next SSB).
-Sukapon - From Joy Mech Fight (nintendo game from the early 90's)
-Krystal - From the Star Fox series
-Dark Samus

Also, I forgot the thread BUT:

Darkrai is likely not playable. That's a weird character addition if you ask me, and Serebii at some point said he was sure that Arceus and Darkrai were not present (according to his sources). Then again, Shaymin IS present, so that may have changed from Serebii's knowledge--though likely NOT the playable character.

If it isn't Lucario or Mewtwo, I still venture Jigglypuff. It's too much to go and search for all the rosters Serebii has "deconfirmed," but almost ALL of the "leaked" rosters included JPuff and we just assumed Mewtwo got the axe because of ChaosZero. We NEVER confirmed that he was 100% legit, and we know for a FACT that JPuff was originally planned to be cut from Melee.

If we get a new character in the realm of say... Pac-Man or something like that, it's not that far to say they adopted JPuff's moves. Afterall, it happened with Ness to Lucas. Jigglypuff can be recycled. But she is not necessarily guaranteed to return. Beating up on the Puffster is a Smash staple, but not a requirement. Hayter was just reciting what he knew if this is the case. We can not take an amateur interview as a legitimate source, no less the mumblings of a voice actor who obviously was only casually familiar with Smash Bros.

That said, there's one other option: Pichu.

Was it ever GUARANTEED he got the axe?

 

[Saltwater Gem]

I have two questions:

Why do you are like that? I mean, is like you are going to lose your life if this roster isn't debunked ...

second:

serebii: say what's wrong with the roster, or i'm not going to believe you anymore... (if i did in the past, so many problem between pokemon sites and that's a thing pokemon-fans hate)

well nothing more your honor ^^

Conversely, why can't you just completely drop the roster which has been admitted fake by a guy who knows something AND the creator? And why does everyone feel the need to question and aggravate the ONLY guy here who definitely knows anything?

And as if the roster needed anymore debunking... it says Olimar, not mentioning Pikmin.

 

[YSM]

Whether or not you guys trust Serebii, can you at least understand that he is a far more credible source than some random guy that showed up on GameFAQs and started making claims? If it's his word against theirs, there's no reason you should believe them. Some of you guys are way too eager to support a "prophet" just because you like their roster.

People are only bashing him because they KNOW he has info, but he won't release it and they can't handle it. They can't wait 2 weeks, so instead of simply letting him help, they get mad because he's deconfirming people who DO claim to know it. They'd rather be lied to than hear the truth.


As for Serebii and Lucario, he's never actually said he's in. He's merely suggested it(in most people's opinions, including mine) and he SEEMS to de-confirm any roster without him. Of course, it could very well be other reasons he's deconfirming it that we simply haven't thought of yet...


Wait, Viewtiful Joe is one_step's character? Oh GOOD LORD I hope he's right. If he's not I'll be friggin pissed at him for playing with my emotions like this!!!

 

[anonymous535]

Wait, Viewtiful Joe is one_step's character? Oh GOOD LORD I hope he's right. If he's not I'll be friggin pissed at him for playing with my emotions like this!!!

For the love of Stephen Colbert, I hope I'm right too.

 

[JPSChampagne]

Anonymous01 - Admitted he was fake on the second page of that thread. Read the topic.

Also - the latest vid shows Olimar's final smash. Olimar's ship.

Just like FForceSultan said.

This just gets more fun every day, doesn't it?

 

[Gold_Darkness]

Smashboards crashed while I was trying to make some posts. Aye yi yi...

Anonymous01 from BrawlCentral posts:



Also, I forgot the thread BUT:

Darkrai is likely not playable. That's a weird character addition if you ask me, and Serebii at some point said he was sure that Arceus and Darkrai were not present (according to his sources). Then again, Shaymin IS present, so that may have changed from Serebii's knowledge--though likely NOT the playable character.

If it isn't Lucario or Mewtwo, I still venture Jigglypuff. It's too much to go and search for all the rosters Serebii has "deconfirmed," but almost ALL of the "leaked" rosters included JPuff and we just assumed Mewtwo got the axe because of ChaosZero. We NEVER confirmed that he was 100% legit, and we know for a FACT that JPuff was originally planned to be cut from Melee.

If we get a new character in the realm of say... Pac-Man or something like that, it's not that far to say they adopted JPuff's moves. Afterall, it happened with Ness to Lucas. Jigglypuff can be recycled. But she is not necessarily guaranteed to return. Beating up on the Puffster is a Smash staple, but not a requirement. Hayter was just reciting what he knew if this is the case. We can not take an amateur interview as a legitimate source, no less the mumblings of a voice actor who obviously was only casually familiar with Smash Bros.

That said, there's one other option: Pichu.

Was it ever GUARANTEED he got the axe?

I swear I seen this roster before. And I think it was claimed as a fake then.

 

[AdmantNESS]

Actually, direct your attention to the bottom of the screen when you see the rocket blast off. You see a bunch of night predators and beasts from Pikmin rampage the stage. The ship itself is not an attack. Its a reference to the game.
"End of Day" is when Olimar and Pikmin leave the area as night is very dangerous.

 

[Terrabottuti]

Also - the latest vid shows Olimar's final smash. Olimar's ship.

Just like FForceSultan said.

But didn't FForceSultan say that Olimar's ship would crash onto the battlefield with a huge explosion and break into several parts that could be thrown? I think that's a bit of a conflict when you consider Olimar's real final smash effectively has him flying away safely and letting nasty creatures kill everyone else...

So if anything, FForceSultan is more of a fake than ever.

 

[Zevox]

Also - the latest vid shows Olimar's final smash. Olimar's ship.

Just like FForceSultan said.

This just gets more fun every day, doesn't it?

Correction, not at all like FForceSultan said. He claimed that the FS was that his ship would crash into the stage, but if you watch that video, Olimar is clearly blasting off in it and a bunch of creatures are spawning in his wake. Combine that with the name given for it on the Dojo ("End of Day"), and its pretty obvious the FS is actually the monsters that would swarm him at night if he didn't take off in time in his games, and hes using the ship to escape them as he did in his games. This is just more evidence against FForceSultan (as if we needed any more).

Oh, and Viewtiful Joe is just BS. Theres no logical reason Capcom would contribute a lesser character from a discontinued series like him to Brawl when they have a titan like Mega Man, or even stars from big-name series like Resident Evil and Street Fighter, that they could use instead and get much more money for while simultaneously satisfying many more fans. It just doesn't work that way.

Zevox

 

[JPSChampagne]

Alright. Cool. I guess I didn't get to see the right video, then. Sorry.

 

[anonymous535]

Capcom wouldn't contribute the licensing. But would Clover Studios?

 

[ruffrydr017]

Viewtiful Joe could essentially revive a dead franchise, likely would be cheaper to license and would bring exposure to some underrated games.

I do believe that Megaman or a Resident Evil character would better represent the company, but Joe is still just as good a character as any.

 

[Masque]

Jeez, I wish I'd been here earlier. I could've saved Serebii a lot of trouble and this thread a lot of pages.

To restate was has been said too many times: The Prima Roster is FAKE!

I hope this clears up any final misconceptions about this roster.

Ugh, finally someone can officially disconfirm this. Thanks a bunch!

That said, there's one other option: Pichu.

Was it ever GUARANTEED he got the axe?

Um, of course Pichu is gone. No explanation needed.

Anonymous01 - Admitted he was fake on the second page of that thread. Read the topic.

Also - the latest vid shows Olimar's final smash. Olimar's ship.

Just like FForceSultan said.

This just gets more fun every day, doesn't it?

Anonymous AND FForceSultan have been disconfirmed. Let's not bring up the dead, shall we? Moving on.

I swear I seen this roster before. And I think it was claimed as a fake then.

Correct.

 

[Zevox]

Capcom wouldn't contribute the licensing. But would Clover Studios?

Considering Clover Studios no longer exists and all their intellectual property defaulted back to Capcom, their parent company, after their dissolution back in March 2007, I'd say thats one thing we can guarantee won't happen.

Zevox

 

[anonymous535]

You're right. But he could still be in Brawl. You never know.

 

[MajinNecro69]

With Serebii's newly released comment that he hasn't "said" Lucario is or isn't the problem, I have edited his section to take Lucario out of the realm of suspicion. Instead, I have listed Lucario, Jiggs, Mewtwo & Pichu, in hopes we can see what he is or isn't sayin'...

 

[PyrasTerran]

Hopefully he clarifies.

 

[ShortFuse]

Serebii said FForceSultan was potentially a fake, probably because he said Pokemon Trainer has a team rocket alt costume and pikachu has raichu

 

[MajinNecro69]

Serebii said FForceSultan was potentially a fake, probably because he said Pokemon Trainer has a team rocket alt costume and pikachu has raichu

FForceSultan was wrong about Zelda' FS, that's why he was fake...

 

[ShortFuse]

FForceSultan was wrong about Zelda' FS, that's why he was fake...

yeah i know but i though you were wondering why he could say the list was fake

 

[MajinNecro69]

yeah i know but i though you were wondering why he could say the list was fake

Well...here's the roster of PKMN characters FFS said:

-Pikachu
-PT
-Jigglypuff
-Lucario

Is JIGGLYPUFF the problem? Is not HAVING Mewtwo the problem?

 

[AdmantNESS]

Don't forget to edit out the SuperStar disagreements.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well...here's the roster of PKMN characters FFS said:

-Pikachu
-PT
-Jigglypuff
-Lucario

Is JIGGLYPUFF the problem? Is not HAVING Mewtwo the problem?

Hey, your right...

Maybe Jiggs is the one out...

...and Ness...

Jiggs/ Ness...OUT, just as Sakurai wanted in Melee

 

[TaurToph]

Jiggs/ Ness...OUT

Are you a prophet too?