An index of "leaks" and status: forbrawlbattle's "second post" and Brawl360 removed

[Serebii]

A question to Serebii: Once the 31st hits, will you answer anything we ask you?

Possibly

second:

serebii: say what's wrong with the roster, or i'm not going to believe you anymore... (if i did in the past, so many problem between pokemon sites and that's a thing pokemon-fans hate)

well nothing more your honor ^^

Oh, I'm sorry...of course, I'll reveal all my information, jeapordise the relations between me and my sources and even risk my source's job, just so you can believe me

For all we know the article writer might've gotten a threatening letter from Nintendo to say its fake or face a lawsuit for breaking NDA, because if they actually did go after someone who broke NDA, that would confirm the roster, and Nintendo, I feel, would rather have doubt over the internet than the roster over the internet.

That isnt how things work in the industry. Nintendo don't comment on rumours and if things get leaked, they hunt down the person, prosecute and then just ignore

Didn't someone predict Olimar's FS?

Wasn't exactly hard to predict was it. I mean what else could it have been

 

[Aurora Jenny]

Geez, Serebii. Sorry to hear you so frustrated with the community when you're only trying to participate and help in what little way you can. I wish you luck in riding the next two weeks out man. Incidentally, I'm a bit confused, you seem to be much more free with information related to stages and character moves, like when Rapscouter mentioned Saffron City and a Pokefloats 2. What's the difference, there? I'm just wondering, that's all. Doesn't that say as much as confirming something? You don't have to answer, given things are rough for you right now with all the rude people assaulting you without good cause.

 

[Johnknight1]

Serbii deserves a medal for confusingedededing me! Wait...I confuse myself...so....I deserve a medal!

Anyways, this whole Serbii deal has me confused. But regardless, I hope Mewtwo, Lucario (my $50 worth), and Jigglypuff are in Brawl. Mewtwo for the awsomeness of a villian with psychic powers, Lucario for intresting combinations and styles of fighting, and Jigglypuff for total uniqueness, awsomeness (in smash), and randomness! Fear the puff, respect the puff!

And this "Prima Guide" one is intresting (or so it seems). I sorta hope it's true, but replace Animal Crosser with Miis and maybe add Roy=my dream roster is complete! And it even had a few random characters to add to it. Has it been debunked yet=??? (need to know, because if it hasn't, I.m guessing Jiggs for the Brawl Info Contest Thread! ). Thanks in advance!

The fact that the Melee roster was leaked a month or so in advance was intresting. It was so random-Nintendo did nothing. I bet there are quite a few random characters, and if someone was let's say leak most of the newcomers, they'd get flammed and "disproven". Nintendo wouldn't care, because no one would believe them, but with Brawl...ya know, someone is predicting ANY CHARACTER! We got a guess on every Pokémon ever, a Error from Zelda II for Brawl thread...hell! We even got a Popeye (the Sailorman) for Brawl thread, and not to mention John Madden (I should ask him if he's in Brawl; he lives like 10 miles away from me! ). And Naruto, the King of Red Lions, and so on. So many random character guesses, it's ridiculous. Someone is expecting anyone! XD

 

[RobinotX]

People.. we all will know it on the 31st of January o.o.

Maybe some reviews.. that help us. Oh well. I can wait though xD.

 

[Reptilian Overlord]

That isnt how things work in the industry. Nintendo don't comment on rumours and if things get leaked, they hunt down the person, prosecute and then just ignore

I have a few questions about this just out of sheer curiosity and not being familiar with these matters.

1. Are there any notable or recorded cases of this ever happening before, such as with Mario Galaxy, Soul Calibur 3, or your own Pokemon information?

2. If the character roster was leaked (just the characters, not images, movies or other information) would Nintendo really go through the hassel and legal fees for something rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things? What if it caused more hype and preorders?

3. If there was a genuine leak before the JPN release, and Nintendo did go through the trouble of tracking down and prosecuting the leaker in an attempt to silence them, is there anything preventing the leaker from submitting proof of the Nintendo lawsuit, and thus proving their leak to be true?

As I said, I have no absolutely no knowledge of these sort of matters, I am just asking for my own education.

 

[Japanese Monk]

http://www.brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=1214&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

TC, you might want to check this out.

I know its the "deconfirmed" prima guide leak....but apparently people over at Brawlcentral noticed the order of the "roster" was exactly the same as the dojo. Go to the Dojo characters section: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/index.html

Notice how the characters are listed in the same order as this "leak".

Something which it seems is highly unlikely to guess, as the roster supposedly has both sheik and C. Olimar in the correct spots thats correspond to the DOJO....both characters being revealed AFTER this guide "leak".

This actually is VERY interesting. If sakurai notices this he "could" change the order of updates....but it will be VERY telling if the next character revealed is Jiggly Puff or Krystal.

I think you def. should put that back up. I don't know why it was deconfirmed if it was, but this revelation is enough to put it back on the list.

Guys....we really have to analyze what we have. Like others said if the real list ever does come we might be to critical to even notice.

 

[Serebii]

Yes its in the same order

Again Prima has nothing to do with the random Dojo order...its just that, random. I don't think anything in-game follows that order

And it got deconfirmed by myself and the person who created the **** list

 

[Japanese Monk]

Well. Im going to believe this one if the next character reveal is Jiggly or Krystal.
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Once.. Phew, I almost died!

Twice... Lighting sometimes does strike in the same spot...

Thrice? Well...I think someones trying to kill me up there!
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[Serebii]

Well I wouldn't...considering its fake and all and there is no logic as to why a Prima Graphics Designer would have the Dojo order

 

[Japanese Monk]

Yes its in the same order

Again Prima has nothing to do with the random Dojo order...its just that, random. I don't think anything in-game follows that order

And it got deconfirmed by myself and the person who created the **** list

I never said Prima had something to do with the order. But if this leak is real, then they (or the leaker) were told/shown the order of characters.

Shortfuse (I believe it was) already proved that the DOJO pre-ordered its list before hand. Its not random actually. Planned months in advance.....Here: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=136974

Nice try though.

Even if you knew the real list, you'd just deconfirm it and then when you felt safe you'd say, "guys, you know that list I deconfirmed? That was real?"

At least thats what I'd do if I knew anything. So you already know I take your info with a bucket of salt. If you know the real list, you lie. If you dont (which im leaning toward), you end up lying.

Its a lose lose. Im not going to take anything you say serious until the day before, or the day brawl comes out.

 

[Serebii]

Even if the Dojo is planned in advance, this leak is supposeduly from a Prima Graphics Designer. The people on the Prima Guide would be compiling data themselves, they wouldnt have a list given to them or anything like that

And I would never EVER mislead anyone

 

[RandomGuy42]

What does it take to convince you people? Do I need to repost this?

Jeez, I wish I'd been here earlier. I could've saved Serebii a lot of trouble and this thread a lot of pages.

To restate was has been said too many times: The Prima Roster is FAKE!

How do I know this? Because the original poster denied it in the very same thread the fake roster was posted in. Again, this has been said many times.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/Dark_Random/fakeleak.jpg

There is the original post. Many of you seem to be under the impression that the Nintendrone was the first to "leak" it. This is not true, that blog took it from this thread.

I followed this thread to it's conclusion, as I too, thought it looked authentic (there was most likely some Isaac bias there). After suckering in a lot of people into the thread, the user posted an "image of the back cover of the Brawl boxart". This was just a delibrately bad Paint job, and after that the user confessed to being fake.

However, the damage was already done. Other users took it to other forums. The Nintendrone posted it up, spreading the roster further, and not everyone caught the admission on Page 16 or whatever. MetalIceWolf (The user who had created the "Roxas XIII" account for the purposes of "leaking" this roster) made another thread with the intent of announcing the fakery, but still this did not stop the spread.

Taking a detour here, as you can see, this was posted on the 4th of December (for me, though I'm Australian, so that would make it December 3rd in America). So it's no great big surprise that the characters up until there are in order. The Sheik and Olimar thing, however, is just one big coincidence. People do get lucky with their guesses, you know?

Since I know no-one here will take these words without proof, I've hunted down a non-GameFAQs spot where MetalIceWolf admitted making it up.

http://www.thewiieffect.com/2007/12/06/brawl-roster-leak/

That site ran the story. On the 3rd comment, she admits making it up. She has her own picture of the first post from after the mods took it down that proves she is the original poster (You can only view your own moderated messages).

I hope this clears up any final misconceptions about this roster.

Fake roster is FAKE! Not hard to understand.

 

[shortwanabelaker]

to the starter of the thread.. can u point out which leak was correct after brawl comes out in 2 weeks. ty

 

[DarkSpidey13]

Even if the Dojo is planned in advance, this leak is supposeduly from a Prima Graphics Designer. The people on the Prima Guide would be compiling data themselves, they wouldnt have a list given to them or anything like that

And I would never EVER mislead anyone

if Nintendo just hands Prima (who is now making the official guide instead of NP) a copy of the game and says "Here ya go, now make a guide out of it" without any other information, then where do all the actual strategies/tips/secrets/etc. come from? anyone can just sit down and play a game; one would think that Nintendo must have some hand in the development of the guide to make sure that Prima gets their information right.

 

[Japanese Monk]

Even if the Dojo is planned in advance, this leak is supposeduly from a Prima Graphics Designer. The people on the Prima Guide would be compiling data themselves, they wouldnt have a list given to them or anything like that

And I would never EVER mislead anyone

I bet you would to avoid being sued....

And would they? Really? I noticed that Famitsu issue here: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=137580

the character orders are almost exactly the same as the DOJO/leak. Except it goes something like this example:

Vet 1.

Vet. 2

Newcomer 1

Vet 3.

Newcomer 2.

So if you take all the vets and line em up...they are the same as the dojo. And if you take the newcomers and line em up they are the same as the dojo.

The only exception is Kirby and Pikachu which have swapped places. And I dont see it hard to believe that Nintendo/Sakurai tells the guides a few things to go by. They obviously worked with Famitsu.....And If this were real I think they'd have to work closely with Prima Anyway.

Serebii please just stop. Time will show us if this is real. You mouth is zipped either way so let it go.

 

[Serebii]

No I just wouldnt comment

I wont let it go, you're believing an obvious fake. Its been confirmed fake by the guy who bloody created it for christs sake

 

[Lecto2007]

Whats serebii got to do with the production for brawl anyway?

 

[Japanese Monk]

btw. If I knew the roster and leaked it, Id say it was fake too after the intial post. I dont want Nintendos Ninjas killing me. Thats the smartest way to get a leak out anyway. It makes perfect sense.

Anyway....Like I said before Ill believe it if Krystal or Jiggly are the next characters revealed.

For me, right now its in the plausible pile.

 

[Serebii]

btw. If I knew the roster and leaked it, Id say it was fake too after the intial post. I dont want Nintendos Ninjas killing me. Thats the smartest way to get a leak out anyway. It makes perfect sense.

Anyway....Like I said before Ill believe it if Krystal or Jiggly are the next characters revealed.

For me, right now its in the plausible pile.

Then, no offense, you're an idiot.

 

[RandomGuy42]

I have nothing more to say. If you want to keep dredging up old fakes and whatnot, go ahead. Go chase your wild geese. Just don't try to convince us that it's really when it's a confirmed fake, and don't slander on Serebii just for saying what we already know.

 

[Japanese Monk]

Then, no offense, you're an idiot.

So you wouldn't mislead people...but you have no problem calling them names?

Interesting morals you have there.

 

[Aurora Jenny]

Ugh. Rumor is fake, end of story! Person who stated the rumor on Gamefaqs admitted it. Let this one die already. Your desperation for truth is blinding you. There was no pressure to call it fake. Take Serebii's word for granted and let the blasted rumor die already!

 

[Japanese Monk]

I have nothing more to say. If you want to keep dredging up old fakes and whatnot, go ahead. Go chase your wild geese. Just don't try to convince us that it's really when it's a confirmed fake, and don't slander on Serebii just for saying what we already know.

Sorry if I missed something but when did I slander him? What? Because I said that I was leaning toward not believing him? After which, he called me an idiot. I think you might be confused randomgguy.

btw. How many times must I say this. Its in the plausible file. Not confirmed. GEEZ!

 

[RandomGuy42]

How many times must I say this. Its in the deconfirmed file. Proven Fake. GEEZ!

See? Works both ways.

 

[Japanese Monk]

How many times must I say this. Its in the deconfirmed file. Proven Fake. GEEZ!

See? Works both ways.

It really does. That sure put a boot up my argument...

 

[Matt Silver]

I don't like any of these leaks really. Lack of Isaac makes it ******** until the real proof comes out Jan 31st. :D

 

[Guru_The1nOnly]

There was a gamefaqs "leak" with a poster having zant as a wtf character. Seems to go well with one_steps prediction.

 

[Guru_The1nOnly]

So you wouldn't mislead people...but you have no problem calling them names?

Interesting morals you have there.

Probably because lieing and name calling are two completely different things

 

[Zoo-bellocks]

I was really hoping Krystal would be the next newcomer shown. But now if that happens, I'll have to deal with people arguing for this stupid fake roster even more. Well hopefully Captain Falcon will be shown soon (before Jigglypuff) to bury it once and for all.

 

[Zevox]

When has logic, and/or popularity been a thing that dictates 100% of what goes in the world of Smash?

Was there any real logic that dictated that Roy got in, as opposed to another, much more popular FE Lead like Sigurd, Celis or Leif? Nope, not really, Roy only got in the game predominantly to advertise for the (at the time) upcoming GBA game starring him. People ended up not liking it much, any way, but that's ancient history now.

Was there any real logic behind G&W, a character that 90% of modern gamers probably had no idea what he was about and where he came from, at the time? Not really, he was just put in as a means to pay tribute to another, much more obscure time in Nintendo's life as a game manufacturer. This similar argument carries over for the Ice Climbers, as well.

....I can't believe this. You gave the logic behind every one of those characters even while claiming them to be utterly illogical. Roy got in because Nintendo decided advertising concerns outweighed fan service. Game & Watch got in because Sakurai felt it was a good way to pay tribute to the man who created handheld gaming as we know it, and because he was Nintendo's first video game character. The Ice Climbers got in because Sakurai wanted someone from the NES era, and they were chosen as the most viable candidates.

Does Viewtiful Joe have any such logic that could possibly work in his favor? Can he be used for advertising? No - his series is canceled. Can he be used to pay tribute to some great mind in gaming history or to a specific era of gaming? Certainly no more so than many other characters that have too many advantages over him in other areas of concern for him to be chosen over them. Is there any rational reason at all why he would be added in Brawl? None that I can see. He just has nothing going for him.

Zevox

 

[JayceMJ]

You guys so make me want to be a fake leaker.

Too bad I'm a real leaker, here's the roster:

Kidding.

 

[TaurToph]

So cmon, who has proofs that "serebii" on smashboards is really the serebii.net admin?

 

[Black/Light]

Wow. . .People confuse the crap out of me. Are some of you soo intent on this being the roster that even after it's been confirmed fake by the creator and Serebii that you would build this complex system of lies? Oh, the prima guy is lieing, thats what I would do. Oh, Serebii is lieing, cause this is real and he wants to miss lead us.

God, all the guy did was take the info from the dojo and add the last non-unlock vet and Olimar (didn't even call him the official name. . .Pikmin and Olimar). If I cared to look at the vets and note this than I would also say Sheik was next. Olimar, simple luck. A very likely new comer just like Krystal.

And for the record, If I wanted to leak something and NOT get stabbed by Nintendo I would either make a account on a public comp and leak it to another guy fare fare away in-order for him to leak it (with a new account of his own) and simply call me the "source". I don't know how nintendo can find you than but hell, it sounds alot more cover-my-ars like than "oh, I lied. . ."

Just back off of Serebii, he has done nothing but help us.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

So cmon, who has proofs that "serebii" on smashboards is really the serebii.net admin?

Mods confirmed it, also...he mentioned about it on another site

 

[Zinfandel]

I have nothing more to say. If you want to keep dredging up old fakes and whatnot, go ahead. Go chase your wild geese. Just don't try to convince us that it's really when it's a confirmed fake, and don't slander on Serebii just for saying what we already know.

I haven't slandered him at all and I deplore those who have.

But seriously, he and some of those standing in the same corner are the ones getting themselves worked up over something that is not even there. The fact that it was confirmed fake by the creator himself is not an unambiguous factor to me. Getting called an idiot or whatever over that position is not something I'll honor with even heeding.

I am not trying to challenge Serebii's honesty or disprove his capability to be in the know ahead of official info. I've just weighed different factors more or less and my own equation ends up with a stronger slant to one side - nothing to get frustrated over. This is not a political issue even though the dynamic are similar. If the Prima leak is proven fake I'm not eating one crumb of humble pie and I won't demand it from anyone who believes nothing/Another rumor.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I haven't slandered him at all and I deplore those who have.

But seriously, he and some of those standing in the same corner are the ones getting themselves worked up over something that is not even there. The fact that it was confirmed fake by the creator himself is not an unambiguous factor to me. Getting called an idiot or whatever over that position is not something I'll honor with even heeding.

I am not trying to challenge Serebii's honesty or disprove his capability to be in the know ahead of official info. I've just weighed different factors more or less and my own equation ends up with a stronger slant to one side - nothing to get frustrated over. This is not a political issue even though the dynamic are similar. If the Prima leak is proven fake I'm not eating one crumb of humble pie and I won't demand it from anyone who believes nothing/Another rumor.

How was it NOT proven fake?

Might as well believe the AlmightyGoat while your at it

 

[Zinfandel]

Ugh. Rumor is fake, end of story! Person who stated the rumor on Gamefaqs admitted it. Let this one die already. Your desperation for truth is blinding you. There was no pressure to call it fake. Take Serebii's word for granted and let the blasted rumor die already!

But that is boring. I know Serebii would not lie about his having sources RE: Brawl but I still enjoy being a sceptic. I'm sceptical to the Prima leak too, just the least sceptical re: that one.

 

[yoshi_fan]

What have serebii done for help us?

 

[Zinfandel]

How was it NOT proven fake?

Might as well believe the AlmightyGoat while your at it

I don't believe in it, but I am entertaining the highly unprobable explanation that the Prima leaker and Goat had to renege to protect themselves/a friend.

Once again - I understand if my position is frustrating but there really is nothing we can do right now save for waiting for a new char update.

 

[Zinfandel]

What have serebii done for help us?

He had info on Diamond and Pearl before, and for this board he has been able to say he is 100 % sure that rosters sans Lucario but avec Mewtwo are fake. If people told me what else he has been able to inform us of ahead of official info rather than complain about me aggravating him I might drop the Prima leak and go uncommitted. The Prima leak looks the best to me but that doesn't mean a lot.