An index of "leaks" and status: forbrawlbattle's "second post" and Brawl360 removed

[SPP Kirby]

So cmon, who has proofs that "serebii" on smashboards is really the serebii.net admin?

I'm a mod on his site as well as a chat operator, so I frequent the chat and have had many discussions with him, most not really to do with Brawl, but at times I will be reading this board and copy/paste a link into the chat, and he'll pick up on it right off and, on occasion, reply to what I pasted via posting here.

So yea, I can vouch for him being the real Serebii. Last time there was a fake Serebii causing trouble somewhere else, he made a topic on his forums talking about it, if I recall.

 

[kanpyo7]

I posted a topic a while back on gamefaqs talking about my pen pal from japan whose father works for a company making the guide telling me the roster, I still don't beleive him but I wouldn't mind if it was true. Since then, he's come clean about a few things (who was the lie, etc.) So here's pretty much what he said:

VETERANS: Roy, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Young Link, Ness, and Mewtwo are no longer playable, though they will be appearing in some form. Everyone else is in. (I posted this before shiek was confirmed, he could have just guessed though)

NEWCOMERS: The following are the yet-to-be-revealed newcomers;
Ridley
Lucario
King K.Rool
Krystal
Bowser Jr/Shadow Mario
Geno
Sukapon

(from gamefaqs, Krystal was the one not revealed, RAY and Takamaru were the lies)

MISC. info:
-Ganondorf's final smash is "done in the same style as Bowsers" (posted before ultimatex64)
-Ancient Minister is "the face behind master hand"
-Isaac, RAY, and Takamaru are ATs.

That's about it, I personally think he's full of crap, but he COULD be telling the truth. Just thought I'd let you all know for discussion value.

 

[Grand Champion]

I posted a topic a while back on gamefaqs talking about my pen pal from japan whose father works for a company making the guide telling me the roster, I still don't beleive him but I wouldn't mind if it was true. Since then, he's come clean about a few things (who was the lie, etc.) So here's pretty much what he said:

VETERANS: Roy, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Young Link, Ness, and Mewtwo are no longer playable, though they will be appearing in some form. Everyone else is in. (I posted this before shiek was confirmed, he could have just guessed though)

NEWCOMERS: The following are the yet-to-be-revealed newcomers;
Ridley
Lucario
King K.Rool
Krystal
Bowser Jr/Shadow Mario
Geno
Sukapon

(from gamefaqs, Krystal was the one not revealed, RAY and Takamaru were the lies)

MISC. info:
-Ganondorf's final smash is "done in the same style as Bowsers" (posted before ultimatex64)
-Ancient Minister is "the face behind master hand"
-Isaac, RAY, and Takamaru are ATs.

That's about it, I personally think he's full of crap, but he COULD be telling the truth. Just thought I'd let you all know for discussion value.

To the Thread Starter, I think all accounts that have been created recently should automatically be discredited for any such "leaks".

Also, Serebii told me via PM that the game was set on track for Feb.10. I'm skeptical if he's real, but I know he doesn't have that much info on SSBB.

 

[Serebii]

As far as I knew then it was set for Feb 10th, the delay was a very recent decision

 

[Firefalcon]

I posted a topic a while back on gamefaqs talking about my pen pal from japan whose father works for a company making the guide telling me the roster, I still don't beleive him but I wouldn't mind if it was true. Since then, he's come clean about a few things (who was the lie, etc.) So here's pretty much what he said:

VETERANS: Roy, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Young Link, Ness, and Mewtwo are no longer playable, though they will be appearing in some form. Everyone else is in. (I posted this before shiek was confirmed, he could have just guessed though)

NEWCOMERS: The following are the yet-to-be-revealed newcomers;
Ridley
Lucario
King K.Rool
Krystal
Bowser Jr/Shadow Mario
Geno
Sukapon

(from gamefaqs, Krystal was the one not revealed, RAY and Takamaru were the lies)

MISC. info:
-Ganondorf's final smash is "done in the same style as Bowsers" (posted before ultimatex64)
-Ancient Minister is "the face behind master hand"
-Isaac, RAY, and Takamaru are ATs.

That's about it, I personally think he's full of crap, but he COULD be telling the truth. Just thought I'd let you all know for discussion value.

I don't believe this, but I wouldn't mind if this was the roster.

 

[Black/Light]

As far as I knew then it was set for Feb 10th, the delay was a very recent decision

I would have to agree with him (serebii) on this. We all know Nintendo. . .they more likely than not always delay a game more than 2 months and given how people are saying that the Japan release was delayed because of the amount of copies I wouldn't think the delay was fore seen long ago. (Serebii said he got his info a well back).

This is a very odd, very short and very close to release delay. Only recent things, IMO, would be the cause of it and not some crap fore seen in Dec 12th (points at Nya).

 

[Japanese Monk]

My sentiments exactly Zinfandel. (minus thealmightygoat)

Serebii probably is trying to lead us to believe he knows more than he actually does. And dealing with the Prima "leak", I think its plausible. Not confirmed to be real...but plausible.

Reneging on ones own statement actually is the smartest thing to do to avoid being chased by Nintendo. Its an intelligent strategy and likely something a real "leaker" would do after dishonoring a NDA.

btw, zinfandel, randomguy actually was talking about me. Read my posts a few pages back on why its plausible that the prima guide could be real. The whole time I was simply stating my argument...after which Serebii lost his cool and called me an idiot. Funny thing is for some reason beyond my comprehension, Randomguy said I was slandering serebii instead!!! (i know, wtf?)

Something I think is actually funny considering he said he'd never mislead people. I dont think its a really big moral jump to use petty insults and then lie to people. Most times people who are willing to call others idiots, are also willing to lie. (at least in this context where I wrote or did nothing to warrant the insult) Simple as that.

Again, if the next character that is revealed is Krystal or Jiggly than this is perhaps more than plausible....until then Im not saying its real....im not saying its fake. Im more or less undecided.

 

[agag19]

^^^^ Have you ever been in a position where your telling the truth and no one believes you? It really sucks and easily escalates your temper. I'm not saying I support him but, just take that into consideration.


Wow, I gotta give you props this was a great idea and good job maintaining it too!

 

[volbound1700]

None of these leaks are probably 100% accurate. Nintendo is probably adding and cutting characters all the way up until late December, maybe even January. In Melee, they changed around the characters and game a lot before final release. These leaks may have been accurate at the time but not so much anymore.

 

[Saltwater Gem]

For me, right now its in the plausible pile.

For a low payment of $5,000 I'll sell you the rosters for the next 4 Smash Bros. games! It must be plausible because I made a thread making a bunch of random predictions and they all CAME TRUE!

 

[Serebii]

I do not, have not and NEVER will lie to people. How dare you accuse me of such

I don't mislead, I don't lie. THE END. Get over yourselves, seriously.

 

[Japanese Monk]

For a low payment of $5,000 I'll sell you the rosters for the next 4 Smash Bros. games! It must be plausible because I made a thread making a bunch of random predictions and they all CAME TRUE!

Sorry 5,000 dollars is a little much for "plausible".

I guess you guys have a problem with the definition of plausible.

Plausible: superficially fair, reasonable, or valuable but often specious/pleasing to the eye but deceptive.

So am I an idiot for believing that this Prima leak could be considered this ^^^^^^ definition?

That definition is exactly how I feel right now. Its plausible. Remember people, plausible and truth are two separate things.

 

[Japanese Monk]

I do not, have not and NEVER will lie to people. How dare you accuse me of such

I don't mislead, I don't lie. THE END. Get over yourselves, seriously.

If I ever heard that one before! Now you'll be telling me your poop smells like roses!

Fact: Everyone has lied/lies.

 

[Strongside]

This is seriously getting pathetic. Serebii is trying to help us out, by guiding us with NOT what to believe, and you are too proud or stupid to accept it? That is pure ignorance, and you should be glad we get anything from Serebii, as he is the only reliable source on that entire list of people.

 

[trio1000]

if there isnt another third party tommorow then thats another strike for rapscouter

 

[Japanese Monk]

This is seriously getting pathetic. Serebii is trying to help us out, by guiding us with NOT what to believe, and you are too proud or stupid to accept it? That is pure ignorance, and you should be glad we get anything from Serebii, as he is the only reliable source on that entire list of people.

Ok. I'm sorry. I'll stop.

Sometimes I forget where I'm at. This is no place to behave like a ruffian.

 

[CT Chia]

None of these leaks are probably 100% accurate. Nintendo is probably adding and cutting characters all the way up until late December, maybe even January. In Melee, they changed around the characters and game a lot before final release. These leaks may have been accurate at the time but not so much anymore.

are you kidding me? especially when they originally planned for a december release... theyv had the final roster planned probably since January of last year. Game development takes a long time, especially for big names like this. Then they still have to create all the characters, and balance them accordingly.

 

[Black/Light]

Reneging on ones own statement actually is the smartest thing to do to avoid being chased by Nintendo. Its an intelligent strategy and likely something a real "leaker" would do after dishonoring a NDA.

Reneging will not stop Nintendo. Nintendo would still know some one broke their NDA and would look into it. The "smartest" thing to do is to not say you are from prima (giving Nintendo a one way sign to find you) and to just stop talking all together. . .if your directly leaking info that is. The smartest way to leak info in general is to do it in a way that it can't be traced back to you (via-a 2nd person somewhere else relaying your info to the masses or going by a "2nd person" view, claiming your info is from someone else and not your own even if it is your own).

Yep, Light from Death Note is very much a prime example now that I think about it.

 

[Zinfandel]

This is seriously getting pathetic. Serebii is trying to help us out, by guiding us with NOT what to believe, and you are too proud or stupid to accept it? That is pure ignorance, and you should be glad we get anything from Serebii, as he is the only reliable source on that entire list of people.

The problem is that he can't help that much apart fro saying his source(s) are/is saying this and that. Once again, I only know of him having provided secret info once, on D & P. If his sources say that a roster can't include Mewtwo and not Lucario then I don't think the sources or what they are saying is made up. It could be, but Serebii's history only includes being right, and no precedent of lying.

 

[yoshi_fan]

He had info on Diamond and Pearl before, and for this board he has been able to say he is 100 % sure that rosters sans Lucario but avec Mewtwo are fake. If people told me what else he has been able to inform us of ahead of official info rather than complain about me aggravating him I might drop the Prima leak and go uncommitted. The Prima leak looks the best to me but that doesn't mean a lot.

But a lot of websites had this information (and that's where the problems with "good-serebii" where: he is a oscure treatment in "leak-things"... i read somewhere the history back doors and it was a lot more than i saw and i expected... it really sux)

And about the other... Do i have to quote the post where he DON'T confirms lucario?

He hasn't do ANY_THING

 

[Saltwater Gem]

Plausible: superficially fair, reasonable, or valuable but often specious/pleasing to the eye but deceptive.

So am I an idiot for believing that this Prima leak could be considered this ^^^^^^ definition?

YES!!!!!!!

 

[MajinNecro69]

I had to create a whole new color to highlight what One_Step87 said, since two of them are misinformed...

 

[Japanese Monk]

Reneging will not stop Nintendo. Nintendo would still know some one broke their NDA and would look into it. The "smartest" thing to do is to not say you are from prima (giving Nintendo a one way sign to find you) and to just stop talking all together. . .if your directly leaking info that is. The smartest way to leak info in general is to do it in a way that it can't be traced back to you (via-a 2nd person somewhere else relaying your info to the masses or going by a "2nd person" view, claiming your info is from someone else and not your own even if it is your own).

Yep, Light from Death Note is very much a prime example now that I think about it.

I understand that. But in a situation where you absentmindedly laid most/all your cards on the table, reneging is the simplest way to avoid the Ninjas. Though, you actually never know. It could make them back off, or it couldnt.

Either way....in that position. Id renege.

btw Death Note is one of the best animes Ive watched. Up there with FMA and Ghost in the Shell.

 

[Serebii]

But a lot of websites had this information (and that's where the problems with "good-serebii" where: he is a oscure treatment in "leak-things"... i read somewhere the history back doors and it was a lot more than i saw and i expected... it really sux)

So another site got a leak of the Pokemon stuff for DP? That changes my leak how?

The only questionable thing that happened was when that Spanish site blackmailled me by threatening to release the whole list (which I would then do as it would have spread quickly and thus Nintendo gets angry at me) so that I instead linked to him whenever I revealled anything regarding to the Pokemon names. I have logs to confirm this occured.

So I do not see how I cannot be trusted because a) Another site got a source and b) they did immoral things with that information

 

[MIRAI87]

YES!!!!!!!

QFL

No you aren't. It's perfectly plausible that you find the list plausible. You're not an idiot for thinking so.

 

[Japanese Monk]

YES!!!!!!!

Well, I walked right into that one didn't I? :embarrass

 

[Saltwater Gem]

QFL

No you aren't. It's perfectly plausible that you find the list plausible. You're not an idiot for thinking so.

If a singular coincidence gives something plausibility than I'm not an idiot if I think there's an underlying conspiracy against Jay-Z via an underground agreement between Al Qaida and Nas because 9/11 occurred on the same day that his big album was released.

 

[UltimateX64]

I posted a topic a while back on gamefaqs talking about my pen pal from japan whose father works for a company making the guide telling me the roster, I still don't beleive him but I wouldn't mind if it was true. Since then, he's come clean about a few things (who was the lie, etc.) So here's pretty much what he said:

VETERANS: Roy, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Young Link, Ness, and Mewtwo are no longer playable, though they will be appearing in some form. Everyone else is in. (I posted this before shiek was confirmed, he could have just guessed though)

NEWCOMERS: The following are the yet-to-be-revealed newcomers;
Ridley
Lucario
King K.Rool
Krystal
Bowser Jr/Shadow Mario
Geno
Sukapon

(from gamefaqs, Krystal was the one not revealed, RAY and Takamaru were the lies)

MISC. info:
-Ganondorf's final smash is "done in the same style as Bowsers" (posted before ultimatex64)
-Ancient Minister is "the face behind master hand"
-Isaac, RAY, and Takamaru are ATs.

That's about it, I personally think he's full of crap, but he COULD be telling the truth. Just thought I'd let you all know for discussion value.

I was asked to comment on this post with the information I have received. I will comment on most of what is here, but not all of it.

-Dr. Mario, Ness, Pichu, and Mewtwo are not playable characters in the game.
-Ridley, King K. Rool, and Sukapon are not playable characters in the game.
-Ancient Minister has nothing to do with the Master Hand.

I'd say that's good for an extra update in the middle of the day. A SmashBoards exclusive!

 

[Japanese Monk]

If a singular coincidence gives something plausibility than I'm not an idiot if I think there's an underlying conspiracy against Jay-Z via an underground agreement between Al Qaida and Nas because 9/11 occurred on the same day that his big album was released.

How is it singular? There are TWO characters that were revealed since this Prima "leak" came out. Both characters that were revealed on the DOJO are matching the "leaks" order.

See posts here: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=3735356#post3735356

here: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=3735396#post3735396

And here: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=3735431#post3735431

And obviously you didnt understand the definition of plausible. Let me write it again. This time though, read it about 5 times.

Plausible: superficially fair, reasonable, or valuable but often specious/pleasing to the eye but deceptive.

Now after reading all three of those posts, I dont see how im being unreasonable to say this rumor is plausible.

 

[Pieman0920]

Hmm, I don't quite get what One_Step's hinting at in regards to Ridley. He says that not all those who scored high in the polls will be playable, which kinda points at Ridley, since he's the only other high scorer that he does't mention as playable, but then goes to say that said high scoring characters get placed into SSE. When he gets to SSE though, he mentions that Kraid is the boss, and not Ridley?

 

[BraveDave88]

http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Arachnus-X

"Arachnus-X is the first boss Samus faces aboard the Biologic Space Laboratories research station in Metroid Fusion. It is an Arachnus taken over by the X Parasite."

Apparently there is something called Arachnus in Metroid Fusion. Though being such an incredibly minor character, I'd be surprised as it being an Assist Trophy or anything else besides in Brawl.

 

[webrunner]

Search doesn't seem to pick up this thread properly so I don't know if this has been answered.. Aracnhus is a boss in Metroid 2, and "returns" as the x-parasite copy of Arachnus in Metroid Fusion - Arachnus-X.

In Fusion it's the boss you get the Morph Ball from (That does the Morph Ball thing back and forth itself)

I don't see Arachnus being really memorable enough to get an Assist Trophy though... space pirate, Kraid, maybe even Crocomire or Nightmare- I can see those. But not Arachnus.

 

[MajinNecro69]

Hmm, I don't quite get what One_Step's hinting at in regards to Ridley. He says that not all those who scored high in the polls will be playable, which kinda points at Ridley, since he's the only other high scorer that he does't mention as playable, but then goes to say that said high scoring characters get placed into SSE. When he gets to SSE though, he mentions that Kraid is the boss, and not Ridley?

However, rapscouter says something that made me think that multiple bosses from a franchise will appear in SSE: "Rayquaza will not be the only PKMN boss in the Subspace Emissary."

If rapscouter IS indeed right, we could end up seeing Kraid & Ridley as bosses.

Also, I'm not really liking how leakers that are springing up are now agreeing that Ridley's not playable

 

[CyberBenX4]

The problem is that he can't help that much apart fro saying his source(s) are/is saying this and that. Once again, I only know of him having provided secret info once, on D & P. If his sources say that a roster can't include Mewtwo and not Lucario then I don't think the sources or what they are saying is made up. It could be, but Serebii's history only includes being right, and no precedent of lying.

Pretty much.

Again, even going over the a year and some change's worth of time leading up to D&P's eventual release, his only main "faults" have been translation/transliteration errors, and that can be something that occurs for any body who's a non-Japanese native who has some translation skills to his name. As one myself, I can't fault him.

So, in the end, Serebii is pretty much the only "leaker" I'm choosing to remotely trust on this matter. It's just a pity that he's just choosing to remain aloof for now, whether it's because his hands are truly tied, or just because he can afford to, and there's not ****ed thing we can do about it any way.

 

[tutata]

dam what a waste of time

 

[Jesus Freak Nor]

This thing is an AT. Is Arachnus more memorable than this?


This is in response to webrunner.

 

[BraveDave88]

Yep, already beat ya too it, buddy. And I agree that it is nowhere near memorable enough to get Assist Trophy status. But heck, Hammer Bros. are an AT, so why not?

As for Clayton, I've got nothing on him.

 

[Gerbil]

Search doesn't seem to pick up this thread properly so I don't know if this has been answered.. Aracnhus is a boss in Metroid 2, and "returns" as the x-parasite copy of Arachnus in Metroid Fusion - Arachnus-X.

In Fusion it's the boss you get the Morph Ball from (That does the Morph Ball thing back and forth itself)

I don't see Arachnus being really memorable enough to get an Assist Trophy though... space pirate, Kraid, maybe even Crocomire or Nightmare- I can see those. But not Arachnus.

Where was he in Metroid 2? I don't seem to remember fighting him at all :/ (Then again, it's been years since I played)

And I agree, Arachnus just doesn't seem to be the type that's memorable enough to be brought into Brawl.....

 

[Gold_Darkness]

MajinNecto,

UltimateX64's deconfirmation of Sukapon conflicts with OneStep

 

[Pieman0920]

Hmm, let's see. We have technically 21 characters right now, if you count ZSS with Samus, Sheik with Zelda, PT as one, and then remove the third parties. Subtract that from 38 and you've got 17 more spots apperently.

1. Mr. Game & Watch
2. Lucario
3. Krystal
4. Wolf
5. WW Link
6. Marth
7. Unknown Zelda character
8. AC
9. Sukapon
10. PM
11. WW Link
12. Ganondorf.

Now this is not counting in Geno or the apperent WTF 3rd party character. He's possibly counting Geno though with the 1st/2nd parties. Also if the statement of the unknown Zelda character was WW Link, then there's one more spot...

That leaves 4 to 6 (depending on the specifics here) more characters though, which should include Luigi, Captain Falcon, and possibly Ridley (The high scorers could just be from the tiers lower. He also mentions five playable bosses, which would point to Wario, Bowser, Ganny, Dedede and one more.)

I should quit thinking about this guy's list right now. I think I'm buying into it too much.