An index of "leaks" and status: forbrawlbattle's "second post" and Brawl360 removed

[SAMaine]

The author of said article admitting it's fake. Serebii saying it's fake. Taking potshots at Serebii, a guy who knows things, and believing an article that has been ADMITTED TO BEING FAKE because of a slight coincidence...

For all we know the article writer might've gotten a threatening letter from Nintendo to say its fake or face a lawsuit for breaking NDA, because if they actually did go after someone who broke NDA, that would confirm the roster, and Nintendo, I feel, would rather have doubt over the internet than the roster over the internet.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Are you a prophet too?

No...I'm Reggie...Didn't you read the rumor a while ago? (old j/k BTW)

 

[Zek]

There is absolutely no logical reason for Jigglypuff to be removed. I don't understand why people are still worried about this. It's no different than when everybody was convinced Ice Climbers and Mr. Game & Watch wouldn't come back. Hell, Jigglypuff is much more popular than either of them.

 

[MajinNecro69]

Maybe Sakurai thought there would be too much 1st gen representation? I dunno why he would remove Jiggs if he did...a good indicator of this is the fact that Peach has a sleep-related Final Smash...

Also, new One_Step84 comments. He will be posting daily now.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

There is absolutely no logical reason for Jigglypuff to be removed. I don't understand why people are still worried about this. It's no different than when everybody was convinced Ice Climbers and Mr. Game & Watch wouldn't come back. Hell, Jigglypuff is much more popular than either of them.

The logical reason is Sakurai never wanted Jiggs in the first place, and WAS going to get rid of it in Melee...

 

[Eternal Neo]

Didn't David Hayter practically confirm Jigglypuff in an interview anyway?

 

[SAMaine]

Oh and you should also mention that it COULD be a Pokemon character that ISN'T a Pokeball or Plusle & Minun

For all we know... DITTO might be a playable character!

 

[Zek]

For all we know the article writer might've gotten a threatening letter from Nintendo to say its fake or face a lawsuit for breaking NDA, because if they actually did go after someone who broke NDA, that would confirm the roster, and Nintendo, I feel, would rather have doubt over the internet than the roster over the internet.

Come on, dude... How much more proof do you expect beyond the author himself saying it was fake? You can make up a convoluted excuse for anything but if you're going to linger on every little uncertainty then you might as well not even think about it until we know for sure.

The logical reason is Sakurai never wanted Jiggs in the first place, and WAS going to get rid of it in Melee...

Okay then, why didn't he?

 

[kingjoekur]

put all the debunks together

 

[Darkraid]

Yeah I was to one who reported on David Hayter's mentioning of Jigglypuff. So now Pichu is PC? Oh crap

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Come on, dude... How much more proof do you expect beyond the author himself saying it was fake? You can make up a convoluted excuse for anything but if you're going to linger on every little uncertainty then you might as well not even think about it until we know for sure.



Okay then, why didn't he?

I dunno...for N64, he wanted Pit but settled for Jiggs instead when the model for Pit couldn't work right with the wings...

For Melee, he ONLY kept Jiggs because he thought the people that mained JIggs would be upset...However, He apparently hasn't cared about that in Brawl as it's assured - Not everyone with original movesets will return in Brawl

 

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

Wait, so is Serebii saying that those 4 are IN or OUT? I was a supporter before this due to his deconfirmation of Poke Floats 2. lol.

Sakurai put Jiggs into Melee because he needed more characters.

 

[Zek]

I dunno...for N64, he wanted Pit but settled for Jiggs instead when the model for Pit couldn't work right with the wings...

For Melee, he ONLY kept Jiggs because he thought the people that mained JIggs would be upset...However, He apparently hasn't cared about that in Brawl as it's assured - Not everyone with original movesets will return in Brawl

Source? Sakurai has never so much as suggested that except for his hints about Ness, who has a direct replacement. Even Marth being cut is still just fan speculation based on Ike having blue hair. There's no evidence whatsoever of Mewtwo being gone.

 

[CyberBenX4]

Even so, I doubt Jiggs/Purin is out. Like Pikachu, Purin is an old school Pokemon that still enjoys popularity even to this day, especially in Nihongo-land, where it enjoys the same type of enduring popularity that can be attributed to the likes of Pikachu, the Kanto Starters, and even Mewtwo.

Even if, by some stroke of bad luck, Mewtwo ended up getting the axe along with Pichu, again, I doubt that Jiggs would have been next up for gallows.

Any way, I'll just choose to see if/when Serebii will be interested will be spilling the beans. Not that he's 100% infallible, but, barring a few translation/transliteration/semantics errors, he's proven that he's known his **** when it came to D/P information. Even going so far as to being able to basically disprove one of the first major rumors surrounding the game (remember the 3 "fake starters?) on the spot. So, it goes without saying that he knows what's up, but like so many others who know the real truth, he can't...or rather won't tell us, but CAN afford to be aloof.

 

[Eternal Neo]

For Melee, he ONLY kept Jiggs because he thought the people that mained JIggs would be upset...However, He apparently hasn't cared about that in Brawl as it's assured - Not everyone with original movesets will return in Brawl

Where did you hear that? I've never heard that before.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Source? Sakurai has never so much as suggested that except for his hints about Ness, who has a direct replacement. Even Marth being cut is still just fan speculation based on Ike having blue hair. There's no evidence whatsoever of Mewtwo being gone.

Well, Serebii was the one who said that...if he is to be believed...

..That's really up to you

 

[SAMaine]

Come on, dude... How much more proof do you expect beyond the author himself saying it was fake? You can make up a convoluted excuse for anything but if you're going to linger on every little uncertainty then you might as well not even think about it until we know for sure.

Actually, I don't rather care about the roster of this guy, just that all of you accept or dismiss them without a direct confirmation or deconfirmation from the OFFICIAL Nintendo source... The Dojo! I mean, remember the Melee Roster when it was revealed... Taken down because it was 'confirmed to be a fake.' This happened before!

 

[GeneralPit]

"1/15/2008; 7:42 PM EST: NyaseNya Tom Nook comment removed, due to lack of evidence"

What was the comment?

 

[J.A.Jenk]

He seems to be putting most of the 3rd and 4th gen pokemon in pokeballs

 

[MajinNecro69]

"1/15/2008; 7:42 PM EST: NyaseNya Tom Nook comment removed, due to lack of evidence"

What was the comment?

Someone said Nyase once said Tom Nook was in the game as a Samus clone, but we don't have any confirmation on that, also, it might have been someone else.

 

[ChronoBound]

Someone said Nyase once said Tom Nook was in the game as a Samus clone, but we don't have any confirmation on that, also, it might have been someone else.

NyaseNya never mentioned Nook, people keep confusing him/her with BlueWave.

 

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

NyaseNya never mentioned Nook, people keep confusing him/her with BlueWave.

True. You can find that on a Snapple Real Fact.

BlueWave and Nya, in dealing with Sonic being in Brawl, showed up about the same time claiming some things. The general was the same, but a few specifics were different, and the Tom Nook clone issue was BlueWave.

 

[MajinNecro69]

Edited comment to reflect BlueWave saying it, not NyaseNya (in the updates to the leak thread, not Nyase's profile).

 

[GeneralPit]

"1/15/2008; 7:42 PM EST: NyaseNya Tom Nook comment removed, due to lack of evidence"

What was the comment?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

"1/15/2008; 7:42 PM EST: NyaseNya Tom Nook comment removed, due to lack of evidence"

What was the comment?

^ Yes, I think this proves Nya said at least SOMETHING about Tom Nook

 

[Chepe]

Huh? In the first post it says that "Originally it was thought that Serebii was debunking any roster with Lucario in it."... dont you mean Mewtwo?

Either way, just like we cant assume that Mewtwo is the problem, we cant assume that he isnt either. Serebii is never giving a straight answer, so dont you all make conclusions on what he means with a specific character.

And by the way, major LOL at anyone still holding on to the debunked Prima roster...

 

[Zevox]

You're right. But he could still be in Brawl. You never know.

Not really. Theres just no ration reason for him to be in from any perspective. Other characters are more popular and requested by fans. Other characters will make more money for both Nintendo and Capcom. Because Viewtiful Joe's series has been discontinued, such couldn't even be used for advertising. Theres simply no logical reason that could possibly get him into Brawl.

Zevox

 

[UltimateX64]

I just figured that I should let you all know I updated my site again with new information.

 

[2007]

good riddance to Vatro Xu. I knwe he was fake the entire time.
as for ChaosZero, things look good.

=2007=

 

[MajinNecro69]

I just figured that I should let you all know I updated my site again with new information.

I added y'all

 

[CyberBenX4]

Not really. Theres just no ration reason for him to be in from any perspective. Other characters are more popular and requested by fans. Other characters will make more money for both Nintendo and Capcom. Because Viewtiful Joe's series has been discontinued, such couldn't even be used for advertising. Theres simply no logical reason that could possibly get him into Brawl.

Zevox

When has logic, and/or popularity been a thing that dictates 100% of what goes in the world of Smash?

Was there any real logic that dictated that Roy got in, as opposed to another, much more popular FE Lead like Sigurd, Celis or Leif? Nope, not really, Roy only got in the game predominantly to advertise for the (at the time) upcoming GBA game starring him. People ended up not liking it much, any way, but that's ancient history now.

Was there any real logic behind G&W, a character that 90% of modern gamers probably had no idea what he was about and where he came from, at the time? Not really, he was just put in as a means to pay tribute to another, much more obscure time in Nintendo's life as a game manufacturer. This similar argument carries over for the Ice Climbers, as well.

Hell, even now, we see some things that just defy logic, or what popularity would have lead some to believe. Deoxys is a Pokeball Pokemon, instead of the playable that a lot wanted. Little Mac got passed over and made into an AT, as well.

And why could this happen? Because, in the end, Sakurai already admitted that he's not committed to providing fan service in all respects; just because some thing is grossly popular, in no way necessarily guarantees that character will be playable. He's already stated as such that "only having popular characters is boring", to put it bluntly.

So, while I don't think Joe has much of a chance either, he still does have A chance, and that's enough for me. If Smash could be conceived as a way to jump start his career, that could be all the more reason to put him in.


Oh...and any notice that Olimar's Final Smash involves him coming down and crashing back down to Earth, as well as the "dangerous beasts"? Hmmm...

 

[Aurora Jenny]

Well well, he's still debunked, but FForceSultan got Olimar's Final Smash partially correct.. but then I suppose anybody could have logically figured that out. That means tomorrow we find out if Rapscouter gets another lie revealed.

 

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

Olimar's ship DOES come back and explode, but doesn't seem like you can pick up pieces...

back on topic: C.Falcon is not a shoe-in, so having Ultimate say it does NOT make it redundant. It's reassuring.

 

[MajinNecro69]

It's still possible (albeit unlikely) that a 3rd Party is revealed tomorrow. Last week there were 3 "Character Updates," who's to say there won't be again?

 

[Gold_Darkness]

MajinNecro, you say for OneStep:

-PokéBall: Shaymin (1/16/2008) (Confirmed at Whobby 2008)

I'm not sure if Shaymin can be truly be called confirmed, unless there's something I don't know about the source. I'd figure it be a yellow, not green status.

 

[Aurora Jenny]

True enough, MajinNecro, but what's annoying me is that we're getting the same information fed to us in coordination. Famitsu reveals their magazine? Sheik is updated. The new commercial released..? Olimar's End of Day revealed on the Dojo as well.

 

[RandomGuy42]

I just figured that I should let you all know I updated my site again with new information.

I like your description of the Angel Island stage. Sounds good.

 

[Masque]

Um...can OneStep just be disconfirmed? To the best of my knowledge--which is pretty good--there is no Clayton in MOTHER 3. And perhaps it's just my own suspicion, but the two Pokemon that he "revealed"--Pachirisu and Shaymin--were already revealed at WHOBBY. (I should know; I did the translation for Pachirisu.)

 

[Boofer]

UltimateX64, I think you're lying. That is all.

 

[Shuma]

Didn't someone predict Olimar's FS?