An index of "leaks" and status: forbrawlbattle's "second post" and Brawl360 removed

[Terrabottuti]

Good god, I discredited that roster leak ages ago, keep up

You might have discredited it, but the Dojo has made it credable again, and nobody can compete with the Dojo, not even you... it wouldn't surprise me if you ended up discrediting the actual leak anyway if it isn't already somewhere around here, because I doubt you'd say "yes, that's the leak" and end up getting into legal trouble by being a notable source and backing up a huge batch of information.

Everyone could be looking into this too much, I agree, but this is what happens when we don't have much to look at all... if you're not gonna tell us anything, then don't complain about us making up our own ideas of stuff!

 

[Starphoenix]

Its just a coincidence...nothing more

You people read way too much into the most insignificant things, you really do

We shall see, won't we...

 

[Serebii]

You might have discredited it, but the Dojo has made it credable again, and nobody can compete with the Dojo, not even you... it wouldn't surprise me if you ended up discrediting the actual leak anyway if it isn't already somewhere around here, because I doubt you'd say "yes, that's the leak" and end up getting into legal trouble by being a notable source and backing up a huge batch of information.

Everyone could be looking into this too much, I agree, but this is what happens when we don't have much to look at all... if you're not gonna tell us anything, then don't complain about us making up our own ideas of stuff!

Oh, its credible because an obvious character was in it and was placed after a likely character and they were revealled in that order?

Oh well then, if thats the case then NOBODY can fake it and it MUST be true

Good god

 

[rusashi]

I would like to see what OneStep has to say about Claus. If Ness isn't playable, Claus is the only other MOTHER rep that makes sense. (In fact, Claus would undoubtedly be a better choice than Ness in the first place, and he should really be in regardless of whether or not Ness makes it.)

I'm just curious what's so great about Claus, his character thread is pretty much broken (picture wise), what is he, a sword fighter or something? We have so many of those x_x

 

[Darkfur]

Its just a coincidence...nothing more

You people read way too much into the most insignificant things, you really do

I have a question, Serebii. How many times has the Smash community caused you a "face to palm" reaction? Or have you lost count?

*laugh* I'd like to chalk this most recent occurrence to mere chance. Although, I will say at the very least I found it intriguing. Then again, I also found the alphabetical Icon Theory intriguing as well, and look what happened there. *laugh*

 

[Starphoenix]

For what it's worth guys, there's a Japanese ad out now(the long one with all the mode explanations) in which we see WW Link in villager clothes as a trophy. I think it's unlikely they would have shown that if he was playable.

Also, guessing Olimar and Sheik is NOT DIFFICULT. They were both basically shoe-in characters. Anybody could have guessed that.

I is not GUESSING them that is the issue, the list is arranged from the day the were revealed on the DOJO. From oldest to most recent:

Pit (25/05/07)
Wario (20/06/07) (26 days and 21 updates after Pit)
Zero Suit Samus (19/07/07) (29 days and 23 updates after Wario)
Ike (01/08/07) (13 days and 9 updates after Zamus)
Pokémon Trainer (13/08/07) (12 days and 8 updates after Ike)
Diddy Kong (22/08/07) (9 days and 7 updates after PT)
Meta Knight (05/09/07) (13 days and 12 updates)
Snake (21/09/07) (16 days and 17 updates)
Lucas (01/10/07) (11 days and 6 updates)
Sonic (10/10/07) (9 days and 12 updates)
King Dedede (25/10/07) (15 days and 12 updates)
Olimar (Latest) (09/01/08)
Krystal
K. Rool
Geno
Animal Crossing Villager
Ridley
Isaac
Megaman

That is what is fascinating, it also had after Ice Climbers, Sheik; granted it may just be coincedental, but that is why I am observing this further to see if anything gives.

 

[Serebii]

I have a question, Serebii. How many times has the Smash community caused a "face to palm" reaction? Or have you lost count?

*laugh* I'd like to chalk this most recent occurrence to mere chance. Although, I will say at the very least I found it intriguing. Then again, I also found the alphabetical Icon Theory intriguing as well, and look what happened there. *laugh*

Whenever a new "leak" occurs...face to palm reaction

My skull's starting to crumble

 

[Elysium]

Also, guessing Olimar and Sheik is NOT DIFFICULT. They were both basically shoe-in characters. Anybody could have guessed that.

I believe I read somewhere that the odds of "guessing" Olimar, then Sheik in that order came out to something like 1/85. Thats just a little difficult in my book. If a third character gets called as either Jiggs or Krystal, that number jumps right up. I wonder if thats easy to do to.

You might have discredited it, but the Dojo has made it credable again, and nobody can compete with the Dojo, not even you... it wouldn't surprise me if you ended up discrediting the actual leak anyway if it isn't already somewhere around here, because I doubt you'd say "yes, that's the leak" and end up getting into legal trouble by being a notable source and backing up a huge batch of information.

Everyone could be looking into this too much, I agree, but this is what happens when we don't have much to look at all... if you're not gonna tell us anything, then don't complain about us making up our own ideas of stuff!

1.) Thats partly what I think. That roster could very well be real, and in order to not get in trouble... make it fake. We could go down the lines of the roster and hit a character that doesn't fit, then jump right on track again and we'll know the fake one.
2.) I agree. Speculation at it's best.

 

[Serebii]

Ok, let me break it down to you

Its claimed to be from a Prima Guide Graphic Designer correct?

Why the hell would it be in the order the Dojo is releasing them? The order they were revealled does not corrolate to the games

LOGIC PEOPLE

Besides, I'm telling you outright, its fake

 

[Starphoenix]

I don't know, I am sick of "leaks" and sick or "prophets," this Prima theory 2.0 is the only interesting theory out there really. I just put all the theories in a hat and chose this one, I will stick to this one until proven false just like all the others.

I am pretty sure it is all one big coincedence, but I am just going to roll with it for now.

Ok, let me break it down to you

Its claimed to be from a Prima Guide Graphic Designer correct?

Why the hell would it be in the order the Dojo is releasing them? The order they were revealled does not corrolate to the games

LOGIC PEOPLE

Besides, I'm telling you outright, its fake

Whatever, I do not care at this point; the guy may have been shutdown by Sakurais elite team of ninja eliminators for all I know and forced to claim it fake. It really makes no difference to me, all I care about is Megaman. If he is in yay party, if not boohoo I have to wait until the game is released.

Either way it is an EMO win-win situation for me.

 

[Hejiru]

I believe I read somewhere that the odds of "guessing" Olimar, then Sheik in that order came out to something like 1/85.

...And how does one arrive at that number?

 

[Talendime]

Who does Serebii claim to be? An associate of Nintendo?

And Zek, it wasnt that Olimar and Sheik were predicted that is coincidental (or maybe not), it's the fact that they both came in the same order on the list as they were revealed on the dojo site.

 

[Nintandy²]

For what it's worth guys, there's a Japanese ad out now(the long one with all the mode explanations) in which we see WW Link in villager clothes as a trophy. I think it's unlikely they would have shown that if he was playable.

Also, guessing Olimar and Sheik is NOT DIFFICULT. They were both basically shoe-in characters. Anybody could have guessed that.

I noticed this myself. I personally really liked the Wind Waker Link idea, with him having exclusive items like the Deku Leaf etc, but hey. At least he gets a mention, along with Chibi Robo! Chibi Robo <3 I'm glad he has at least a bio.

-- Andy

 

[rusashi]

For the last time...

Serebii is a trusted source. He knows someone inside Nintendo. He leaked the Diamond/Pearl pokemon's before they were released.

 

[Serebii]

And again, this whole thing doesnt make sense

A Prima Graphics Designer has nothing to do with the Dojo. The order Characters are in in-game is nothing like the order they were revealled in. It is just a ****ing coincidence

 

[Elysium]

...And how does one arrive at that number?

I don't know, someone "supposedly" worked out the numbers and came to that.

And Zek, it wasnt that Olimar and Sheik were predicted that is coincidental (or maybe not), it's the fact that they both came in the same order on the list as they were revealed on the dojo site.

Exactly... At the moment it just seems to be too big to ignore.

 

[Starphoenix]

For the last time...

Serebii is a trusted source. He knows someone inside Nintendo. He leaked the Diamond/Pearl pokemon's before they were released.

So did Rapscouter...

Look I believe he is right, but I do not think he is all knowing like people want to believe about him. I just think he knows some things, but not all. Than again he never claimed he knew everything, unlike most of the prophets out there.

Any prophet who claims to know the whole roster is instantly discredited in my book.

And again, this whole thing doesnt make sense

A Prima Graphics Designer has nothing to do with the Dojo. The order Characters are in in-game is nothing like the order they were revealled in. It is just a ****ing coincidence

We will see, the next character update will probably be something like Black Shadow and than you can sit there and rub it in our faces.

 

[Talendime]

And again, this whole thing doesnt make sense

A Prima Graphics Designer has nothing to do with the Dojo. The order Characters are in in-game is nothing like the order they were revealled in. It is just a ****ing coincidence

I have to say.. that is undeniably true. mmmhm...

And sorry I didn't know who he was, I haven't look at any previous pages on this thread..

 

[Terrabottuti]

Oh, its credible because an obvious character was in it and was placed after a likely character and they were revealled in that order?

Oh well then, if thats the case then NOBODY can fake it and it MUST be true

Good god

Well, I'm glad to see you've replied EXACTLY how I expected you to... really tense and defensively. I'm beginning to believe this leak could be real by how militant you're being about this... besides, the Prima leak has Mewtwo and everyone around here knows how agressive you've been towards ANY roster with Mewtwo in it. Perhaps you've been puling the wool over our eyes all this time to protect yourself?

You have to remember that this Prima leak was out for more than a month before Nintendo made the Olimar and Shiek updates... you could say they were likely characters, but so are a lot of others. Nintendo could have spotted this leak and thrown someone like Captain Falcon into the works because HE'S likely too, but guess what? They didn't... maybe Nintendo is FORCED to reveal these characters in this order now and they are just hoping nobody will notice.

I think you are a very trustworthy source Serebii...I just think you're trying to hide the real leak from us, simply because you'd be in big trouble if you said "yes this is the real leak". The fact you're being so defensive doesn't help either... you've seen how all those silly false prophets acted, right? You could be ignoring us with our ******** theories, but no, you're fighting back. Why? I'd say it's because we're actually onto something here.

 

[Starphoenix]

Well, I'm glad to see you've replied EXACTLY how I expected you to... really tense and defensively. I'm beginning to believe this leak could be real by how militant you're being about this... besides, the Prima leak has Mewtwo and everyone around here knows how agressive you've been towards ANY roster with Mewtwo in it. Perhaps you've been puling the wool over our eyes all this time to protect yourself?

You have to remember that this Prima leak was out for more than a month before Nintendo made the Olimar and Shiek updates... you could say they were likely characters, but so are a lot of others. Nintendo could have spotted this leak and thrown someone like Captain Falcon into the works because HE'S likely too, but guess what? They didn't... maybe Nintendo is FORCED to reveal these characters in this order now and they are just hoping nobody will notice.

I think you are a very trustworthy source Serebii...I just think you're trying to hide the real leak from us, simply because you'd be in big trouble if you said "yes this is the real leak". The fact you're being so defensive doesn't help either... you've seen how all those silly false prophets acted, right? You could be ignoring us with our ******** theories, but no, you're fighting back. Why? I'd say it's because we're actually onto something here.

I doubt this, I am pretty sure it is just a coincedence.

 

[Serebii]

No, this leak is total rubbish

I'm defensive because people are so insistant on finding patterns where there are none even though those said patterns are illogical based upon the claimed origins.

As I said...Prima Guide Graphics Designers have NOTHHING to do with the Dojo

 

[Zevox]

LOGIC PEOPLE

In case you haven't noticed, rationalization of things people wish to believe tends to take precedence over actual logic among most Smash fans.

Personally, I agree with you. The whole theory that this long-since-debunked and admitted-fake-by-its-creator "leak" might just be true because it happens to have a couple of predictable characters in the order they've since appeared on the Dojo in is utterly ridiculous. But plainly others choose not to see that, and theres nothing for it I fear.

Zevox

 

[Starphoenix]

No, this leak is total rubbish

I'm defensive because people are so insistant on finding patterns where there are none even though those said patterns are illogical based upon the claimed origins.

As I said...Prima Guide Graphics Designers have NOTHHING to do with the Dojo

1) Could you inform us WHAT is wrong with this list?

2) I know, isn't it fun?

3) True, but it is still funny the coincedence, you have to admit it is interesting nonetheless?



I am saying, if it happens againt to where Krystal followed by King K, or Jigglypuff followed by Luigi happens. THAN it will be really suspect, for now it is simply a rather strange coincedence.

 

[Serebii]

1) Could you inform us WHAT is wrong with this list?

2) I know, isn't it fun?

3) True, but it is still funny the coincedence, you have to admit it is interesting nonetheless?



I am saying, if it happens againt to where Krystal followed by King K, or Jigglypuff followed by Luigi happens. THAN it will be really suspect, for now it is simply a rather strange coincedence.

1) Yes, the thing wrong with this list is that it's complete Bull

2) No

3) No

 

[Elysium]

1) Yes, the thing wrong with this list is that it's complete Bull

It can't be complete Bull since it's partly right so far.

 

[Starphoenix]

I wonder how many of these "prophets" have come close to actually getting the full roster?

 

[Serebii]

It can't be complete Bull since it's partly right so far.

Yes its right by listing characters revealled at the time and guessing an obvious character and a likely character.

Yep, that must mean its true

 

[Talendime]

1) Could you inform us WHAT is wrong with this list?

2) I know, isn't it fun?

3) True, but it is still funny the coincedence, you have to admit it is interesting nonetheless?

I am saying, if it happens againt to where Krystal followed by King K, or Jigglypuff followed by Luigi happens. THAN it will be really suspect, for now it is simply a rather strange coincedence.

As of now, I'd say the 'fact' that there is no connection between the designer and the dojo is true.. but if it happens again, with as little as two more characters, I'll go on presuming that the designer who put up that roster has some personal relations to someone who does have connections to the dojo site..
To me that's just as believable some aggressive poster on some stupid forum curiously wasting his time argueing with a bunch of kids..
(and hey, I'm not saying that isn't believable.. just odd)

And if you're saying that list is complete bull.. howabout you apply some extrapolation? That would really be nice. And I would believe you no matter what you said.

 

[Psbl_lkr]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=137286

Have you payed any attention to my "prophecy", personal opinions?

 

[Starphoenix]

So... IGN in one of their "Smash It Up!" segments said this when discussing the possibility of 3rd part PCs:

For no reason at all and with no good transition to fuel its introduction, this week's Smash It Up! is all about the characters of the Capcom company. We've had two previous editions of the column that focused on third-party suggestions – Konami's Crew and Sonic Team – and both were met with negativity, because the majority of fans believe that each contributing third-party company should only get one representative and be done with it. That's fair enough. But we haven't yet spent time speculating on which company will get the third third-party spot, or the fourth, or the fifth – you can go ahead and let go of the "Sakurai said only 1-2 more third-party spots" argument right now, because that's ridiculously outdated news. We know there are going to be more than that – count on it – so we're going to start pulling back the curtain on who it could be from a variety of possible companies.

Do you think this was a guess, or that they actually knew something? In my opinion it is 50/50.

 

[Heretique]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=137286

Have you payed any attention to my "prophecy", personal opinions?

That looks more like a guess at the roster to me.

 

[Bane84]

I don't know about the accuracy of these leaks, but watching the arguments stemming from their debate is pretty amusing.

 

[Terrabottuti]

I doubt this, I am pretty sure it is just a coincedence.

It could be, but I'm just presenting the possibility it's not a coincedence at all, since quite a few things do add up now but I will agree there's no definite answer so far. Until then, everything mentioned here is only a possibility, and I think that's what is driving us all mad like this...

In the end these arguments are all fruitless, but I can never help but join in occasionally.

No, this leak is total rubbish

I'm defensive because people are so insistant on finding patterns where there are none even though those said patterns are illogical based upon the claimed origins.

As I said...Prima Guide Graphics Designers have NOTHHING to do with the Dojo

Well, you never know where you can find little nuggets of truth, nowadays... besides like I said, we can't help but look at patterns since we are all extreme smash obsessives who HAVE to find the answers. A pretty big pattern like this is going to light up a few flames, and I apologize for accusing you this early on anyway... it's more than likely it could be a coincedence. And who knows? Maybe they revealed Captain Olimar and Shiek on purpose, just to get us riled up over nothing and then drop the a-bomb when the game is released? There's too many variables to add up, and we don't even know which ones exist!

While you are more than right about Prima about having no direct connections with the Dojo, but maybe there is a SLIM possibility (and I do mean slim) that any characters in the guide will be arranged by Dojo arrangement and not game arrangement... much more likely would be this guide designer having personal connections with someone who does update the Dojo, since I'm sure the Dojo bigwigs would know what order characters will be revealed. This could also just be a load of rubbish, but we don't know, there's no evidence pointing anywhere now!

But seriously though Serebii, everyone around here is going through a brief little period of madness, including me, and I'm sure you can understand why.

 

[Deleted member]

Starphoenix:

That sounds unlikely since Sakurai really wanted to keep a focus on Nintendo. I really don't know why IGN would say that...

I mean I guess it's possible but that just doesn't seem like Sakurai to me, just from what we know about him.

 

[Starphoenix]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=137286

Have you payed any attention to my "prophecy", personal opinions?

I know you are just being sarcastic about the "prophecy" joke, but other than that it is pretty good.

 

[Zevox]

So... IGN in one of their "Smash It Up!" segments said this when discussing the possibility of 3rd part PCs:



Do you think this was a guess, or that they actually knew something? In my opinion it is 50/50.

Depends. If the roster is only going to be in the mid-30s of characters like a few of our leakers claim, I'd guess they were just full of it. If by chance the roster actually exceeds the previous hope of 40, they may just be right. As-is, I'm going to assume the former.

Zevox

 

[Starphoenix]

I just remeber Harrison said before he left that Brawl was, "bringing the greatest fighters from around the gaming industry." Than Miyamoto or Sakurai (one of the two) said that they hoped Snakes inclusion in Brawl would, "encourage companies to include their characters in Brawl." Context the same, wording different I believe, basically they gave an open invitation to other companies to "join the Brawl" so too speak.

I am starting to believe it MIGHT and I do mean MIGHT be possible to see maybe 1-2 more.

 

[Elysium]

Yes its right by listing characters revealled at the time and guessing an obvious character and a likely character.

Yep, that must mean its true

I'm not saying it's 100 percent, but from when it was posted to now it's been right.

It also could be fake, but whats fake about it we don't know and you can't tell so we're stuck. It could be that G&W and Megaman are the flaws, and this roster is right up to them and you'll still be right.

 

[Black/Light]

. . .Do people remember the Icon thing, where people made a pattern from A to Z to see which series first letter laid under a free Icon space?

Yea, completely a coincedence seeing as it got broken and bashed with the DS icon and so on.

. . .Now, remember that "pattern" of 3 new chars every other month? We where suppose to get 3 new comers in Dec. . .Dec was the biiigg month to these pattern people. Nov haveing no chars didn't effect it cause that was a "vet month/ non new comer month". And what happened? We went into the longest spand of non-char updates we have ever had.

So yea, I don't think the guys order list is any less of a coincedence. Hell, Krystal can get confirmed tomarrow and I wouldn't think twice about the list seeing as it is a pretty bluntly clear likely hood that she will be a PC meaning her update wouldn't be much of a shock.

(And IDK if he said it was or not but I don't think thats the full roster)

 

[Pieman0920]

Well for my two cents, there was a real pattern that the Prima guide link did follow, that many others should have picked up on. Brawl's returning characters have only been those who have never been locked. Thus Sheik had to come up next, as she was the last remaining character. Olimar though was just a coincidence. (Heck, who ever made up that list probably didn't even intend for it to play out that way)