Q&A Ambitions as a Plumber; A Mario FAQ

[KAOSTAR]

The range is bigger. Running grabs generally have more range than JC grabs, that's a fact.

The problem is that running grabs have slower startup and longer cooldown frames, which is why they're usually not used.

So yeah, it having more range is a fact.

yea.only question is that he stops dead in his tracks when he DaC grabs. But the running grabs have more range because they lunge out. so without this extra distance sliding I just wonder if m2s grab range is still bigger

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Fox has a boost grab too.

Man, I should come here more.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Yea but Ive been told that they dont really have any purpose. Like the JcG is alot better?

Any thoughts?

 

[Dogysamich]

yeah jc grabs are better. Overall faster, safer on whiff.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Jump cancel grabs aren't always faster. Depends on the character.

Also, they don't always have less range, 'cause you slide during the animation, which adds a little range.

 

[Dogysamich]

man, im talkin about in general. Stop steppin on my toes. >.>

We're talkin about mario here, not links or samus.

 

[KAOSTAR]

man, im talkin about in general. Stop steppin on my toes. >.>

We're talkin about mario here, not links or samus.

do you know off hand if link or y.links grabs are faster when you are dashing. like samus?

 

[Dogysamich]

Y.link
Grab

Total: 85
Grab: 11-13 (close), 11-14 (hook)

Running grab

Total: 95
Grab: 14-15 (close), 14-17 (hook)

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Link

Grab

Total: 85
Grab: 11-13 (close), 11-17 (hook)

Running grab

Total: 95
Grab (close): 12
Grab (hookshot): 12-17

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Yoshi

Grab

Total: 79
Grab: 18-23

Running grab

Total: 70
Grab: 11-16

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Samus

Grab

Total: 94
Grab: 18-37

Running grab

Total: 74
Grab: 18-27, 30-33

http://www.angelfire.com/games5/superdoodleman/frames.html

No they're not. I always forget that link and y.link's running grabs are the same, and it's actually samus and THE BETA CHARACTER who have faster running grabs.

The beta character. *Facepalm*

 

[KAOSTAR]

aite good ****. So how come u play the plumber with a PHD lol? wat about him appeals

 

[elvenarrow3000]

But like... jump canceling takes a frame, so you get an equal speed grab if the two startup times are only a frame apart.

Also, like... ICs have a jump cancel grab that's slower than their dash grab by a frame for that reason.

 

[Dogysamich]

heh, so elven just showed me that some characters do have dash grabs as fast as their standing grab (i.e. ICs).

So, i guess I should do some MORE research before I go flying off the handle.

It's ok, learn something new everyday, that's what happens when people dont know as much about the game as they should.

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Why I play Doc instead of Mario.

There's actually a somewhat long, hilarious story as to why I "Main" Doc. Technically speaking (real technical), I dont main him, I actually do main Mario, im just trying Doc and i've been too lazy to go back (this is like, a several year old joke, and it kinda ties into some things about me and the boards).

But why I play doc.

- I like having killing power
- I like pills better than fireballs
- throw -> f.air
- Used to like the reverse n.air property (weak-to-strong rather than strong-to-weak), Dont care much for it anymore.
- I like Doc's capedash as opposed to Mario's
Capelift->Capedash.

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Realistically, it's the same thing I tell Docs; it's just preference. Nothing more. I can easily argue either one of them being better than the other, and I can give plenty of reasons why to play one over the other. It really just comes down to preference.

 

[KAOSTAR]

OK thats legit. lol. I thought you mained mario but like all that I hear is doc lol.

 

[Dogysamich]

Yeah, all jokes aside im a doc main. But it's just the preference. I still play alot of mario, completely agree with anybody who mains mario, and can argue for anybody who mains either or (like I already said).

Hell, I actually have an easier time arguing for people to main mario than I do doc.

I just like killing power.

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The thing about them is, they're the only 2 clones in the game that you can, for the most part, play the same and get away with. Im not saying they are so close that you can play them EXACTLY the same (that's a bold face lie if anybody tells you that), but if you can play one good, then you can pretty much do the same stuff with the other and get away with it.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

...wait who's the other set?

 

[KAOSTAR]

...wait who's the other set?

unless he meant pikachu and pichu im pretty sure he meant mario =1 and doc=1 and one plus one is two lol.

I love history lol

 

[Dogysamich]

That's what I meant.

Every other set of clones (fox/falco, ganon/capfal, link/y.link, pika/pichu, marth/roy) are different enough to where you have to actually know some character things to play either or, whether it's general stuff like weight (for marth/roy), or being 2 completely different characters (ganon/capfal). It's also funny to note that among all the clone pairs, doc/mario are the only 2 with the same attributes (speed, weight, falling speed, height, etc etc)

 

[KAOSTAR]

WEll I dont care between the two except in I hate pills alot more than fireballs

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I guess I can see that. They feel pretty distinct to me though... I dunno. I find myself using a lot more tilts as Mario.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

Hey, how do you guys beat Ka-Master? Seriously, Doc vs Luigi hurt my feelings last night, and I don't imagine Mario v Luigi is much better.

 

[Dogysamich]

I dunno, ask ka-master. I've never played him before lol.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

He's the only good Luigi I know of nowadays. All the other ones at least appear to be below our Luigi's level by a considerable amount. I know you can't judge just offa vids, but still...

 

[NES n00b]

Hey, how do you guys beat Ka-Master? Seriously, Doc vs Luigi hurt my feelings last night, and I don't imagine Mario v Luigi is much better.

Take the cursor off Mario and put it on Sheik.

 

[metashinryu]

That's what I meant.

Every other set of clones (fox/falco, ganon/capfal, link/y.link, pika/pichu, marth/roy) are different enough to where you have to actually know some character things to play either or, whether it's general stuff like weight (for marth/roy), or being 2 completely different characters (ganon/capfal). It's also funny to note that among all the clone pairs, doc/mario are the only 2 with the same attributes (speed, weight, falling speed, height, etc etc)

pills are way more annoying,docs cape is a bit longer and makes doc fall like a danm brick when trying to recover with it,his up+b can kill,and has cooler colors XD

 

[Dogysamich]

Doc's cape is wider, mario's is longer; that doenst have anything to do with their falling mechanics of the cape.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Ummm in WA. We dont. Ka eggz and I are goin to a tourney saturday so ill prob be smashin wit him a bunch. but for the most part, you just lose lol.

 

[Dogysamich]

sounds like you guys need to shape up or ship out. That's a waste of time if you're just gunna take it lying down like that.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

So Eggz just goes Fox on him, or what?

I'd like to stick with Doc as much as possible. I love Sheik/Fox, but I also love how lesser played characters draw crowds and attention earlier in tournament. Plus, he's just fun to play.

 

[Dogysamich]

well if you'd like to stick with doc you're in the wrong forums. >.>

 

[Eggz]

I've been refusing to play Ka with Mario since I didn't even have other good characters. I've CP'd him with Ganon, Shiek, Marth, Fox, and Falco, all with better results than Mario.

I beat him in tournament most recently with Falco.

 

[numberonenacho]

Eggz's mario was fckin sick at Mango juice. <3

Sandbagged the tourney by going fox. ^_^

 

[InterimOfZeal]

well if you'd like to stick with doc you're in the wrong forums. >.>

The Doc boards are more-or-less useless for gaining Luigi vs Doc insight. No good Docs have played a good Luigi (to my knowledge). Mario has similar tools, so seeing how Mario fares from Eggz (who plays Ka often enough to give reliable info) isn't a bad idea.

I've been refusing to play Ka with Mario since I didn't even have other good characters. I've CP'd him with Ganon, Shiek, Marth, Fox, and Falco, all with better results than Mario.

I beat him in tournament most recently with Falco.

Alright then, guess I'll stick with tier-whoring vs Luigi. Character is srsly waaaaaaaay better than people give him credit for. Either that, or WA and CO have the only competent Luigi mains in the world. D:

It's weird. Only times I've beat SNS in tournament were with Falco and Pika. I mean, I can beat him with Peach, but he always misfires her last stock last round of whatever set, so I'm convinced that Peach is just a misfire magnet, and so I avoid her.

Except Ultra. Any man that dresses like Luigi is tight.

Is Ka going to Genesis? Our Luigi is talkin' some madd ****, sayin' that Ka's Luigi can't see his and whatnot. Having them actually play would be tight.

 

[Dogysamich]

The Doc boards are more-or-less useless for gaining Luigi vs Doc insight. No good Docs have played a good Luigi (to my knowledge). Mario has similar tools, so seeing how Mario fares from Eggz (who plays Ka often enough to give reliable info) isn't a bad idea.

....*laughs and falls out of chair laughing*

Ok. have it your way.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Is Ka going to Genesis? Our Luigi is talkin' some madd ****, sayin' that Ka's Luigi can't see his and whatnot. Having them actually play would be tight.

Tell you luigi to shut the **** up. Ka is a ****ing morloc and cannot be defeated by other luigis and alot of other ppl too lol.

I have no doubt ka would **** his ******* till it bleeds all homo.

No, you need to play the character you feel the most comfortable with. Luigi isnt phenomenal but ka is just really smart. Hes good at taking away your options and to beat him you need to play smart and stay unpredictable.

 

[Eggz]

Yeah Ka is by far the best Luigi no exceptions lol.

 

[numberonenacho]

I ono.. I'm pretty sure Azen does.
llolololol

 

[strawhats]

eggz still uses mario? I almost forgot that you use to main him.

 

[Eggz]

ya im **** too

 

[metashinryu]

man i have a question:who is better for anti-spacies playing mario or doc? please tell me the why of your reply (and dont go all mario is the sh¡t because this is his thread and we love him) thank you

 

[KAOSTAR]

ya im **** too

plumbers are filthy lol.

 

[nicaboy]

mario vs peach is a fun match!!!
ka is the best luigi and i would love to see someone take him out in a luigi ditto. cant be done you say? I thought so.