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Alright guys, we've got **** to do

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Zori

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i think m2k is referring to my statement before brood beat him. All I said was brood was the best olimar (before he beat m2k) but i didn't think we (as a whole) are that far from him.

People interperated as an insult? or me discrediting him? It seems like people are trying to start something that is not there haha

I admitted he was the best before he even played m2k lmao
 

Jiom

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Hey hilt, how many times have you answered the frame data question about whistle? Seems like you memorized it now.
 

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Nope we don't have a private group made yet. If we do, I'll let everyone know. Not sure if we will, though.

@Tin Man, I have a code that I load with homebrew that allows me to freeze the game and travel frame by frame.
Get the private group done when u can :]. And good **** with the homebrew thing

Mainly because Rich plays against the best Falco all the time and is looking for an edge against the character. Also because people are freaking out and saying it's unwinnable. We do do matchup discussions though, just usually not in this thread, although they're perfectly fine in here as well.
Isn't it only Fino freaking out lol

sorry if it's already been covered, but he seemed to whistle when it counted. i think he didn't want to do it more since he didn't want to mess up line ordering. all you prolimars keep track of it just as well but i think he's just ocd about it. :p
Imma watch more nietono vids. I like his style & he better than brood :]

what about that iceclimber john at one of the mlgs, "oh i upsmashed but instead of a purple a white came out and they got a grab"
:joyful:

When did I say that? I don't remember saying that

And if I did, it likely had more to do with the purple sneaking to the back of the line because it was lagging behind and I didn't notice, nothing to do with whistling.

The MLG consolation matches were more like friendlies anyways lol

I tried when it counted against m33p lol
dem purples n****s b slakin

Hey hilt, how many times have you answered the frame data question about whistle? Seems like you memorized it now.
yeah, i got it memorized now xD
 

Noa.

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I've memorized only a few things about Oli in terms of frame data.

I know whistle's frame data. Jab comes out frame 4, fsmash and grab frame 11 or 12. Fair 6 or 7. Usmash is frame 8. Those are the ones that I know off the top of my head. Most of them are probably off by a couple of frames anyway lol. Those are his most important moves. I think I should memorize nair too though.
 

DtJ Hilt

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Seven for fair, eleven for fsmash/grab, but yeah you're right. I have too many things about Olimar memorized lol even outside of frame data lol..
 

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It occurs to me that even though fsmash oos is SO terribly slow, I still find it useful to punish the laggies of laggiest things. So situational though.
 

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Does Olimar **** GW?
Short answer: yes.

We can pivot grab turtle and that goes a long way.

Also, personally, it seems like he has trouble killing us without a Dthrow tech chase (meaning he has to grab us first) or a well timed-fair offstage. That may just be my experience though

I'd say more, but atm I'm better at playing the MU than explaining it ^_^
 

Kaffei

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Answer the question please. Is the MU in Olimar's favor or not. I don't care if he "*****" the entire roster.

@Vocal: Much thanks
 

DtJ Hilt

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Yeah, Olimar solidly beats GW. Especially now that we know how to usmash oos his turtle/key. Much of what vocal said is true, though. He has a terrible time approaching, which is his main problem in the matchup.
 

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Yeah, Olimar solidly beats GW. Especially now that we know how to usmash oos his turtle/key. Much of what vocal said is ture, though. He has a terrible time approaching, which is his main problem in the matchup.
Silly typo; there's no space in usmashoos ;)
 

Kaffei

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Dang Echo, making people mad.

So I was trying out stutter stepping, and it is pretty dang useful for retreats.

I see myself using it sometimes.
it's not that im mad it's just a really dumb and useless response
 

Jane

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Seriously, killing a mk early as **** with a purple upsmash is the most statisfying thing in this game for me, haha
 

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im tired and want to post something for staying up late

the pikmin management of throwing and getting reds and whites out i really only saw brood do vs MKs, vs ally and lee martins luca he didnt do it near as much but probly because the whites can bait luca into nairing pikmin off for a free punish and itl weakn snakes tilts but as of course with MK a white will only really weakn his nair, which while good its not something that the others colors cant pull off since u probly wont get any damage latching a pikmin on MK anyway.

I did notice brood knows the MK and snake MUs really well i even saw him in another vid vs an MK and he really seems to have it down.

He also does a very nice mix up of fsmash to buffer grab, grab to buffer fsmash, pivot grab to buffer grab/fmash mixups as most of u have probly seen.

He did really well at getting the nades out of the way vs snake by power shielding them so they would hit the shield and fly over him, or throw pikmin in the way of the nade, and when ally pulled a nade out he didnt just grab him he piviot grabbed him to get the nade completely out of the way so hed be safe.

He also never whistled to arrange pikmin when he got a kill he only used dsmash and upsmash and he would sometimes use the pikmin toss as well, but to shuffle them while still trying to get a kill hed dmsash and upsmash and pikmin throw along with upair to get to the next purp as i saw many times or to shuffle some more.

i also saw that when he was arranging pikmin after getting a kill he would set them up for different things like putting a blue then a purple so when he gets the double upsmash he gets a blue then purp for max damage or hed set them up for the traditional dthrow > upsmash combo but he seemed to like to set up for the double upsmash instead of setting up for the dthrow combo on MK but on snake he seemed to op for the dthrow combo

i also saw when he was planking the ledge with upairs he would sometimes fall and upair then jump back up and upair then grab the ledge so his opponent couldnt run and attack him while he was falling

also i dont think we should be punishing everything little thing with usmashoos. Now obviously if its in a MU where it changes the whole MU like luigis nair and peaches dair or at low % then yes of course we're gonna use the hell out of it (tho i wouldnt start using it at low %s yet since no one knows about it right now), but in a MU like MK where theres plenty of things we could punish with it i think we should keep it hidden and just either not punish something or punish it some other way so when they do glide or whatever at u at 80%~ and they glide attack ur shield or whatever move we can punish with it and u have a automatic ko and same goes for other MUs that dont necessarily need it to make the MU even or in our favor so we can use it as a nice little "its a trap!" kill move like nair to upsmash used to be, but this is still our best option out of shield by far

i thought id wright a little of what i saw in broods vids that iv been watching just in case it helped at all, tho some of it may seem obvious i do hope this helped at least a little bit <3 (goo)

also imo i think the only time we need to really get rid of whites and reds like brood did vs m2k is in our bad MUs like peach, luigi, MK, and marth, not so much against ROB tho
 

DtJ Hilt

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Good stuff Echo, a few of those I didn't notice. I'll need to watch the videos as well and see what I can see.
 

DtJ Hilt

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Yeah, woke up around 9:00. On Fridays I make sure to mess up my sleep schedule and get like five hours of sleep, so that I'm able to fall asleep Friday night. Otherwise I can't sleep until like four hours before I need to wake up, lol.
 
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