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I don't think you can consider G&W on Brinstar or Rainbow Cruise a free or illegitimate win. To me, a win is a win is a win. I don't think we can just say "Oh, he used G&W on RC, so we can't say he really took a game off of so-and-so." There's no wrong way to win within the ruleset, so I don't see that as a problem with the current ELO system.P.S. No one responded to my complaints about the elo system :/
What's wrong with picking MK again?Really DeLux.
It'd be one thing if someone else said that.
But really.
*goes to grieve his 70-30 on ICs*
P.S. No one responded to my complaints about the elo system :/
Well, the metagame is still changing, and that's reason enough to stay entertained. Plus, the Melee players around here don't do much to make people want to start playing or keep playing Melee.Also did i mention how shocked I am that you guys still play brawl after all this time?
Are there any melee smashing situations that go down in bham? Sorta want to play that again.
Been banned in AL since about a few weeks before the Unity Announcement.What's wrong with picking MK again?
That's pretty accurate, I think.tl;dr: metaknight mains complain, everyone else is like "well it sounds good I guess, why not"
...I think.
I laughed.Goddamn weeaboo ****.
well Cheap Peach is your best bet on finding someone to play melee, me too i guess.So who else plays LoL and what are your usernames?
All I have are duchok and will_.
Also did i mention how shocked I am that you guys still play brawl after all this time?
Are there any melee smashing situations that go down in bham? Sorta want to play that again.
I'd totally quit brawl again if even one melee player appeared in Birmingham.Also did i mention how shocked I am that you guys still play brawl after all this time?
Are there any melee smashing situations that go down in bham? Sorta want to play that again.
ForeverSaki is mineSo who else plays LoL and what are your usernames?
All I have are duchok and will_.
Also did i mention how shocked I am that you guys still play brawl after all this time?
Are there any melee smashing situations that go down in bham? Sorta want to play that again.
I'm in Hoover, on Lorna Road.well Cheap Peach is your best bet on finding someone to play melee, me too i guess.
what part of B'ham are you in again?
Wouldn't he have to build meter, though? I don't know if there is the equivalent of EX moves in BB or not, but, is that meter used for more than supers?T1J. It's a fact.
Tager's super does 3 quarters of every character's health. ICs CG, should they land it, is one third of your life. Both match-ups revolve around not letting that happen.
you have to have meter. you can't grab people out of the air, or on the ground. you can't grab people in blockstun (or at least it can be broken). if you whiff it, you have to wait until you have meter again. you can't shield grab, dash grab, or pivot grab. Since you have to input a jump to do it, you are limited in the situations in which you could reasonably pull it off. Also Tager is bad in general.T1J. It's a fact.
Tager's super does 3 quarters of every character's health. ICs CG, should they land it, is one third of your life. Both match-ups revolve around not letting that happen.
You also have footstooling as an option, and multiple escape options in your shield.In Brawl, you can change direction in mid-air, both normally and via B-Reversals. You also get a double-jump, platforms, and the ability to perform multiple attacks in mid-air. Ice Climbers also have among the worst grab range in the game, and their approach game is mediocre overall. They have to worry about what will happen six frames after every move they do, since Nana will be late and is necessary to make the chaingrab work.
You're totally missing the point. Practicing G&W to win single games on Rainbow Cruise is an effective strategy for winning games. That doesn't have a 1:1 correlation with winning you sets.I don't think you can consider G&W on Brinstar or Rainbow Cruise a free or illegitimate win. To me, a win is a win is a win. I don't think we can just say "Oh, he used G&W on RC, so we can't say he really took a game off of so-and-so." There's no wrong way to win within the ruleset, so I don't see that as a problem with the current ELO system.
I didn't design the elo, but I'm pretty sure set wins matter much more than game wins. That being said, game wins aren't completely discounted either.You're totally missing the point. Practicing G&W to win single games on Rainbow Cruise is an effective strategy for winning games. That doesn't have a 1:1 correlation with winning you sets.
You've built an ELO system that tells you how good people are at winning games. We decide tournaments with sets. So if you say "I'm 1450, you're 1400, therefore when we go to a tournament I'm more likely to make first than you are," I can answer you, "No. You are more likely to win more games than I am. I predict something like this: I'll 2-1 three times, then 3-2 winner's finals. I predict you'll 2-0, 2-0, 1-2, 1-2. I'll be 9-5 on games, you'll be 6-2. I have as much evidence to say I'll win this tournament as you do."
And that would be a statistically valid rebuttal.
You know that I believe a win is a win more than anyone else does. I took Ryker to a wall stage with D3 and ShaSlam to PS2 to win sets. That was part of a strategy of practicing I used to try to prepare for game ones, game twos, and game threes.
When I played against Saint and his partner in doubles, I had little to no doubles preparation, and primarily recent doubles experience with aerial characters. I had no plan for winning game 1 or a game 3 under my opponent's control, just game 2. I played game 2 on Rainbow Cruise and won a game using Toon Link. But that game two didn't do anything help me win because I can only play aerially in doubles, and I have to win at least one other game of the set. Yet the current ELO system makes a judgment that I'm better than John Doe who can play every stage and matchup equally well but just barely loses to Saint twice in a row as being an inferior player to me, one less likely to succeed if we tried it again. The conclusion is a non-sequitir.
The counterpick system might be a small enough stir on things that this isn't a huge deal. I wish you at least understood how using games to judge set performance is a non-sequitir though. If you just don't want to twiddle with the system that's been set up or want the addition slightly tarnished data that's fine.
@DeLux: You BANNED MY CHARACTER.
Being grabbed in Brawl is much easier to avoid than in Street Fighter, at least. You have to make a guess any time a grapple character does a standard blockstring, and there are platforms in Brawl.[/ reflex i totally agree i hate fighting t hawk, abel and gief, yo how is that vega coming along? i wanna mm it with my rog! oh and ahh any of you *****z want it it that kof holla at me yall now where im at!
It's 12 people currently, which includes Pops. In May, the rest of the community gets to vote on 10 people to make the major ASL decisions (like a MK ban or the season budget). Those 10 will elect (or re-elect) from their ranks a President, VP, and Treasurer in June.no one has any control over it here, except the ASL members.
like 4 people i think? but whatever im not getting back into that discussion.
yeah i know what you mean. like, The Miz is WWE champion right now >_> and there is just so many new people that can never fill the shoes of old wrestling greats but at the very least its interesting to see the WWE try to hype the new people and watch how they do it. right now Kane is feuding with John Cena and thats about all i know. this guy named Alberto Rio Del Verde or some **** is the world heavyweight champion which really sucks also because that guy has NO hype factor whatsoever. wrestlemania is coming up in march though so that should be cool. its sad but i think the side stories are more interesting than the championship stories atm. its like you said. lame new guys the WWE is trying to hype up and kind of failing at.What's going on in WWE right now? I want to get into it cause I want a WWE game but I feel the story is gonna be too stupid with too many new people and John Cena. it makes me not want to get back into to it because I had to see everyone leave like The Rock and Stone Cold.
The only character with EX moves is Jin. Rapid cancels also use super meter, but Tager doesn't rapid cancel.Wouldn't he have to build meter, though? I don't know if there is the equivalent of EX moves in BB or not, but, is that meter used for more than supers?
To be fair, though, the Ice Climbers chaingrab doesn't exist once Nana is gone, so there are stipulations for that, too.
Yep, I do have to have meter. That's my limitation.you have to have meter. you can't grab people out of the air, or on the ground. you can't grab people in blockstun (or at least it can be broken). if you whiff it, you have to wait until you have meter again. you can't shield grab, dash grab, or pivot grab. Since you have to input a jump to do it, you are limited in the situations in which you could reasonably pull it off. Also Tager is bad in general.