Saki-
Reset Project
Going to go ahead and pack, they're wanting me to stay the night there and my brother will just drop money off. IF that is okay with Russ
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Alabama Thread! (10/26/2016 update)
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Twinster
Smash Cadet
On my way.
_Keno_
Smash Lord
Sounds good, but twinster needs to know my address if he needs to get picked up.
1724 Crosswood Lane
1724 Crosswood Lane
Twinster
Smash Cadet
Kola call my phone when you can I might need help if the gate access is required.
theONEjanitor
Smash Champion
its not biased, metaknight is overpowered and broken. that's a fact.
its just that that's not really a good reason in and of itself to ban a character. in my opinion. but i can definitely sympathize with people who think he should be banned because he has NO counters. something with no counters is non-competitive by definition.
but as mentioned this will have nothing but positive benefits for the community. more people will attend tournaments (go read the ban discussion you'll find TONS of people saying "oh cool now i'll come to tournamensts") and there will be more diversity in results. that's pretty much a fact.
i'm for it if only just to see how it will work out
Ingulit
Ing-u-lit
RYKER
HOLY HELL YOU BETTER READ THIS
MK IS BANNED
So I'm taking you to RAIIIIIIIIIIINBOW GOD**** CRUISE HAHAHAHAA
Find a secondary now
HOLY HELL YOU BETTER READ THIS
MK IS BANNED
So I'm taking you to RAIIIIIIIIIIINBOW GOD**** CRUISE HAHAHAHAA
Find a secondary now
Metmetm3t
Smash Lord
All I gotta say is 50 Ledge Grab Limit is so troll. M3timout gonna be so legit
i mean he has moves that counter his moves.
like idk shield grab counters his dtilt or something lol
but thats just being really specific. but thats what a counter would be like in SF or something where they dont counter stages and stuff right?
idk. either way im kinda glad i got a head start on picking up a new main.
and idk. things could backfire. i wouldnt say it will have ONLY positive effects.
it could results in only high tiers becoming the only viable characters in the game.
i wanna see a new tier list though, thatd be fun : p
like idk shield grab counters his dtilt or something lol
but thats just being really specific. but thats what a counter would be like in SF or something where they dont counter stages and stuff right?
idk. either way im kinda glad i got a head start on picking up a new main.
and idk. things could backfire. i wouldnt say it will have ONLY positive effects.
it could results in only high tiers becoming the only viable characters in the game.
i wanna see a new tier list though, thatd be fun : p
theONEjanitor
Smash Champion
its almost guaranteed that ally will dominate this game with snake now, so i imagine snake will move to number 1 solely because of that.. ddd's going to come back. rob's going to come up. marth i predict will be 2. even though he should probably be 1
BigLøu
Smash Lord
Luigi is on the rise!
Mahgnittoc
Smash Ace
MK wasn't broken. He was just reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally good.
He was just so damn good he was near unstoppable. But he was not broken.
He was just so damn good he was near unstoppable. But he was not broken.
*Cam*
Smash Lord
Josh, what is your definition of broken then?
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
It's interesting to hear that people can't think for themselves when it's something that the accusing party doesn't agree with.
Hi Ryker!
Hi Ryker!
Juicy, do you look at this thread like I look at Midwest threads?
Dude, if that set isn't played completely on FD, someone is afraid. I'll play you on RCruise. LEGGO!
I want to bring up that Marth still ***** him, but I can't tell you, of all people, that.
its not the fact that i dont agree with it that moves me to say that.It's interesting to hear that people can't think for themselves when it's something that the accusing party doesn't agree with.
Hi Ryker!
if you cant agree that metaknight was really really taboo, then idk where youve been.
i mean, theres been broken characters in other games that got banned, but i dont feel like you will ever ever ever hear a community whine about them pre-ban, as much as we did with mk. and alot of it was ignorant whining.
"lol press b and win"
more people in the community had the abovementioned mindset then an enlightened one. even if they arent amazing players, there are still more of them, they were clearly the majority in the pro-ban cause. not the cream of the crop but they were still there.
also agree with what mahg said.
broken means you defy the game's physics. like its a flaw in the game that the character is in there and there is basically no zip zero chance to win against him. like he is flawed in some way that can be uterly abused and destroy the entire game.
"breaking the game" = "broken"
literally making the game unplayable
metaknight had none of this he was just a really good character. show me where mk has a zero frame move or a move that would reset your percent damage back down to zero or something or a move where he can pull out bombs that will kill you at 20 percent or something.
the term "broken" gets thrown around so much people get desensitized to its real value.
exageratted, taboo. i wouldnt say these are faulty traits of mk in this community. i dont care, he got banned, whatever, he got banned here like a month ago and i did all my whining then. i have opinions of the relationship between metaknight and the community and i also just happen to be against the ban, here i was talking about the relationship part.
The thing is, if you cross reference the poll results with the top players in the game with checks at top 5, top 10, top 25, top 50, top 75, and top 100, then the ratio of votes remained the same. About 75% to 25% in favor of banning him. If you only accept votes from the cream of the crop, it stays the same.
Mahgnittoc
Smash Ace
IDK but MK wasn't broken. He was almost there but he wasn't.
My idea of broken is like Kiba and the puppet guy in Naruto Shippuden: Clash of Ninja Revolution 3. If you played them decently enough you we're untouchable. I'm talking literally untouchable and the match would end in about 10 seconds.
My idea of broken is like Kiba and the puppet guy in Naruto Shippuden: Clash of Ninja Revolution 3. If you played them decently enough you we're untouchable. I'm talking literally untouchable and the match would end in about 10 seconds.
Sasori was bannable. Kiba was not.
Feel content in the knowledge that your definition is, thankfully, different from the majority of SWF.
Feel content in the knowledge that your definition is, thankfully, different from the majority of SWF.
what do you mean? how are you finding out how people voted?
theONEjanitor
Smash Champion
i dont know how we've decided who gets to define the word "broken",
maybe its has to mean Akuma air fireballs that the game was clearly not designed to be able to deal with.
or maybe it means having such a ridiculously safe and unpunishable moveset to the point where the only way you can lose is if your opponent has a extremely legit soul read on you (or unless you're just bad)
but the fact of the matter is that metaknight was so good to the point of making the game less competitive. i dont think this is disputable. I think this is really lame and honestly anyone who cares about competitive gaming should as well, but as said, probably not worth a ban (in and of itself).
the community has decided that's a bad thing. it's not a "right" or "wrong" conclusion, but that's the one that was made.
maybe its has to mean Akuma air fireballs that the game was clearly not designed to be able to deal with.
or maybe it means having such a ridiculously safe and unpunishable moveset to the point where the only way you can lose is if your opponent has a extremely legit soul read on you (or unless you're just bad)
but the fact of the matter is that metaknight was so good to the point of making the game less competitive. i dont think this is disputable. I think this is really lame and honestly anyone who cares about competitive gaming should as well, but as said, probably not worth a ban (in and of itself).
the community has decided that's a bad thing. it's not a "right" or "wrong" conclusion, but that's the one that was made.
*Cam*
Smash Lord
I'll second this question. Where did that info come from?
Mahgnittoc
Smash Ace
T1J the MK player didn't have to be bad to lose. You just had to be purely better than they were to win.
A few pages lattteeee buuttttttt:
http://www.facebook.com/lilrhan12
I only ask cuz my hometown scene had a facebook smash scene and so does FL. Plus I use facebook a lt more then I do SWF.
I got your number. I can probably come to AL sometime after the 15th of this month when I get some money together. GF flew down this weekend and I'm pretty much back to broke now.. lol
Turhan Anderson.
http://www.facebook.com/lilrhan12
I only ask cuz my hometown scene had a facebook smash scene and so does FL. Plus I use facebook a lt more then I do SWF.
*Cam*
Smash Lord
I can add you to the group, Rhan. I had to send you a friend request first though.
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
I don't really know how you look at the Midwest boards so... I guess I'll assume yes?
In the MK ban thread DeLux (who was backed by other URC members) brought that up when someone tried to use the very same argument. Said they cross referenced the Who Voted list with top players down to 100 at certain checks and the ratio stayed constant within a deviation of 3%.
Twinster
Smash Cadet
Conversation between me and M2K:
[You]
So who are you going to play now that MK is banned?
[Jason Zimmerman]
i raelly am quittin
reallyam*
i do not enjoy brawl outside of mk
even tho im good enough to still make money regardless it is just not worth it, itd barely be profitable, and would not be fun to me either
[You]
Oh okay.
[You]
So who are you going to play now that MK is banned?
[Jason Zimmerman]
i raelly am quittin
reallyam*
i do not enjoy brawl outside of mk
even tho im good enough to still make money regardless it is just not worth it, itd barely be profitable, and would not be fun to me either
[You]
Oh okay.
TheSaintKai
Smash Ace
Ally, hands down.
lol @ "being more competitive" so the number one player in the world deciding to quit. they dont go together.
i heard naiiiro is quitting too. actually i think mostly all the good mk's are quitting cuz they think the game is rubbish outside of mk.
you can look at that as a good thing (which is prolly what yall are doing) "yay we can be noticed more noiw tHEE spots R OPennnn NooO More NOOBS GeTInG UnDeSerVED RESPK 4 UISng MK?>!!!!!!"
or you can look at that as a bad thing "all the good/top players are quitting"
also you cant say it is a good thing for the community and it makes the game more competitive that mk is banned and then go on to say that there is no "right" or "wrong" thing to do in this situatuion. clearly banning him would be optimal with your logic. also we have no way of knowing how it is going to effect gameplay. all of what you are saying is assumptions from a pro-ban perspective.
i heard naiiiro is quitting too. actually i think mostly all the good mk's are quitting cuz they think the game is rubbish outside of mk.
you can look at that as a good thing (which is prolly what yall are doing) "yay we can be noticed more noiw tHEE spots R OPennnn NooO More NOOBS GeTInG UnDeSerVED RESPK 4 UISng MK?>!!!!!!"
or you can look at that as a bad thing "all the good/top players are quitting"
also you cant say it is a good thing for the community and it makes the game more competitive that mk is banned and then go on to say that there is no "right" or "wrong" thing to do in this situatuion. clearly banning him would be optimal with your logic. also we have no way of knowing how it is going to effect gameplay. all of what you are saying is assumptions from a pro-ban perspective.
TheSaintKai
Smash Ace
That's their choice. Whether or not the game is still fun is up to each individual. They could choose to pick up another character, or they can quit.
The evidence is on our side as to whether it will be better.
I've seen more people say I'm interested in this game now than I quit.
I've seen more people say I'm interested in this game now than I quit.
theONEjanitor
Smash Champion
banning a character is lame
a character being broken is also lame.
there's no way to objectively decide which one is more lame. thats why there's no "right" or "wrong" choice. you just make a choice and go with it.
if you ban the character, you make your community look like scrubby ****ies to outsiders and some insiders
if you don't ban the character you have a a restless community, and a less competitive game
who's to say which one is worse?
"all the good top players are quitting" is clearly an exaggeration. most of the top brawl players are vocally pro-ban.
maybe it's more accurate to say that "all of the people who got by by outgaying people with metaknight and aren't actually that good at the game and don't actually want to learn how to play the game are quitting" in which case. i don't have a problem with that.
that was mean i guess. but that is SUPER ANNOYING to me. that since you cany play a clearly broken character with almost no weaknesses you all of a sudden hate the game. **** that. that's silly and obnoxious and you should have never joined this community to begin with if thats your mindset.
also, ally has always been a better player than M2K in brawl. m2k just played a character that was a hard counter to ally's best
reading your posts is like scratching nails on a chalkboard, kevin.
more people attending tournaments does not make the game more competitive ryker.
metaknight was not broken. youre lame if you use that term and i am disegarding your entire post because the whole post is only exageratting metaknight.
is it hard to believe that some people like playing a character? or is EVERYONE just one of those whiny *****es "lol u only lyke 2 play with HimMB BECause hE iS XCCHEAAP!!"
mk was clearly the most advanced character in the game.
people prolly just dont want to use characters they dont have fun with. its not that they are quiting because they cant outgay people anymore kevin you are so annoying. say they ban every character you like in brawl, you arent going to keep going to tournaments if you enjoy no other characters. not everyone has multiple characters they enjoy. i enjoy playing with 2 characters. metaknight and ddd. why waste your time and money so you can not enjoy yourself to please other people?
cant believe ppl are stil QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQing over metaknights brokeness. stop mentioning it. stop making it the center of all of your posts
more people attending tournaments does not make the game more competitive ryker.
metaknight was not broken. youre lame if you use that term and i am disegarding your entire post because the whole post is only exageratting metaknight.
is it hard to believe that some people like playing a character? or is EVERYONE just one of those whiny *****es "lol u only lyke 2 play with HimMB BECause hE iS XCCHEAAP!!"
mk was clearly the most advanced character in the game.
people prolly just dont want to use characters they dont have fun with. its not that they are quiting because they cant outgay people anymore kevin you are so annoying. say they ban every character you like in brawl, you arent going to keep going to tournaments if you enjoy no other characters. not everyone has multiple characters they enjoy. i enjoy playing with 2 characters. metaknight and ddd. why waste your time and money so you can not enjoy yourself to please other people?
cant believe ppl are stil QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQing over metaknights brokeness. stop mentioning it. stop making it the center of all of your posts
you just have childish logic, kevin. i know you pride yourself in the area of debate or w/e but i dont know why.
i think youve been told that before on here.
its like some annoying little kid yelling the same obvious thing over and over again.
i think youve been told that before on here.
its like some annoying little kid yelling the same obvious thing over and over again.
NinjaFoxX
Banned via Warnings
both sides lookin kinda childish right now.
its a neutral position, banning MK makes us look lame, but banning him brings out potential in other characters.
its a neutral position, banning MK makes us look lame, but banning him brings out potential in other characters.
I SEE YOU
Smash Ace
* If more people are learning the game, I think that more competitors would lead to the game becoming more competitive.
* I'm pretty confident in saying that most top players are not quitting. Most of the top mk players that i can think of play multiple characters (Ally, Tyrant, Atomsk, Rain, Seibrik, Anti, Judge) just to name a few. As far as I know, Nairo hasnt played in awhile, so his quitting isn't a recent occurence.
* I personally think MK was too good. It was a culmination of very good attributes that made mk raw
~Frame data, Recovery, and his ability to put pressure on his opponent was just crazy good
I understand where you are coming from Austin. You don't want anyone to belittle your skill level, just because you played mk. To be competent at this game you have to understand how to play and be able to read your opponent. However, I feel like mk was a big fall back character for many players. I personally don't think mk takes a lot of time to learn/pick up, but that's just my opinion (along with everything i've said in this post).
anyways*** about AUSOM4. Does anyone want money matches? I'll play diddy and wolf in money matches, so if anyone is interested PLZ LET ME KNOW!
* I'm pretty confident in saying that most top players are not quitting. Most of the top mk players that i can think of play multiple characters (Ally, Tyrant, Atomsk, Rain, Seibrik, Anti, Judge) just to name a few. As far as I know, Nairo hasnt played in awhile, so his quitting isn't a recent occurence.
* I personally think MK was too good. It was a culmination of very good attributes that made mk raw
~Frame data, Recovery, and his ability to put pressure on his opponent was just crazy good
I understand where you are coming from Austin. You don't want anyone to belittle your skill level, just because you played mk. To be competent at this game you have to understand how to play and be able to read your opponent. However, I feel like mk was a big fall back character for many players. I personally don't think mk takes a lot of time to learn/pick up, but that's just my opinion (along with everything i've said in this post).
anyways*** about AUSOM4. Does anyone want money matches? I'll play diddy and wolf in money matches, so if anyone is interested PLZ LET ME KNOW!
theONEjanitor
Smash Champion
i disagree =/= you're bad at arguing