Adventure Time Mafia | Game Over: Aren't You Cold...?

[T-block]

My only defense to this would be more WIFOM including such gems as "why the **** would I be so stupid as scum, I should know better as scum, the one game I had scum I played the most townie game ever.

I mean Jesus ****, it's like J doesn't remember Awkward Moments, or he's trying to forget about it and pretend my scum play is ****ty or something.

So yeah, I'll leave it well alone and agree to disagree.

are you really defending yourself by saying "no guys, i'm good at scum, so if i look scummy, i'm town"? since you've seen me play scum well, do i get that same pass as well?

Has this been brought up before? I don't even remember my approach to the OS lynch. Could you be more specific please? Elaborate, perhaps?

how you jump on the wagon at the beginning at RF's cue by saying it's for pressure (even though in the past you've made it very clear you find it useless if pressure is known to be just pressure), but do end up calling him scum when you're "drunk", even saying he is "THE lynch", then leave him at null for an incredibly long time.

Says the one who's slot was speculating Raziek as a mafia traitor based off of connections to RF scum. Honestly, getting indy vibes is not ****ing strange. He was lurking, avoiding getting his feet wet, and using what I saw as a survivalist attitude. That is what indy play looks like to me, and it is NOT ****ING UNFOUNDED.

asdioh made it really clear he was doing it more for post-game bragging rights in case he was right.

what specifically about raziek's play makes it indy rather than mafia? does mafia not also want to survive?

Holy **** this looks like scum T-block. I remember very well: Makes cases with concise, reachy points that bound towards a mislynch with feverish speed.

it's really cute when people try to meta me

What the **** is this? You are twisting my case in its entirety. I did NOT say that Asdioh was openly okay with an OS mislynch. What I insinuated was that he was voicing concern over the lynch without ACTING on it. You know, like being openly NOT OKAY with the lynch? You know, like the complete opposite of what you said? My point lay in his saying how against the wagon he was without doing anything about it, and even flat-out saying "If OS flips town I will ask RF what the **** he was doing".

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asdioh actually voiced his opinion of the OS lynch quite clearly imo. he's shown dislike for the OS wagon on several occasions. he gives reasoning for thinking OS is town at one point. he tries pretty damn hard to get a KB lynch instead. what more do you want?

this is what you said:

"He has shown intention to allow a mislynch to occur BEFORE he reprimands the instigator for it."

and that's just completely untrue. maybe you can attempt to back this up some more?

 

[Kantrip]

are you really defending yourself by saying "no guys, i'm good at scum, so if i look scummy, i'm town"? since you've seen me play scum well, do i get that same pass as well?

Recognize that I'm not trying to excuse slips, nor am I attempting to say that looking scummy is a towntell or vice versa. I'm just saying that labelling scum on the pretense on play that isn't even that player's scum play is kind of silly. I realize my scum meta is anything but extensive and lots of people don't like relying on meta at all, so suspicion is still warranted for scummy actions.

Also I recognize that people are able to do things as scum that are outside of their regular scum play, so yeah.

how you jump on the wagon at the beginning at RF's cue by saying it's for pressure (even though in the past you've made it very clear you find it useless if pressure is known to be just pressure), but do end up calling him scum when you're "drunk", even saying he is "THE lynch", then leave him at null for an incredibly long time.

Yes my initial vote on the OS wagon was bad if that's what you referring to. If you notice I didn't initially place my vote on the wagon as I was completely fine with him talking without needing a vote. But then RF told me that he wouldn't talk without votes on his wagon and I'm just like "okay" and put my vote on. I realize that isn't much of a pretense for a vote, though, and I'm pretty sure I recall not having the intent to lynch OS (even asking "Wait is OS THE lynch" as a sort of "WAIT. Is OS ACTUALLY the LYNCH?")

asdioh made it really clear he was doing it more for post-game bragging rights in case he was right.

what specifically about raziek's play makes it indy rather than mafia? does mafia not also want to survive?

What's the difference between post game bragging rights and saying it in the context of in game? If he's saying it for bragging rights he obviously thinks it's true!

I'm not sure how to describe it, but Raziek's play just matched up more with indies I've seen play. It's a different kind of survival; while mafia is manipulistic and wants to be seen as townie, indy is all on their own and doesn't want to be NK'd OR lynched.

it's really cute when people try to meta me

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hahahaha

asdioh actually voiced his opinion of the OS lynch quite clearly imo. he's shown dislike for the OS wagon on several occasions. he gives reasoning for thinking OS is town at one point. he tries pretty damn hard to get a KB lynch instead. what more do you want?

this is what you said:

"He has shown intention to allow a mislynch to occur BEFORE he reprimands the instigator for it."

and that's just completely untrue. maybe you can attempt to back this up some more?

I really think I've backed it up enough. Asdioh said he would question why RF was pushing the lynch AFTER OS' town flip. Not before. He did no questioning of RF before the lynch.

 

[Kantrip]

T-block, what is your read on RF?

 

[BarDulL]

Vote: BarDull
Scum obviously, gg

this is either the worst omgus or the worst reaction test i've ever seen in my entire life.

but if you have a compelling argument for me being scum, i'd love to hear it.

also, sorry guys, i'm really busy and i won't have time to play until thursday afternoon. not gonna put a vote down until then. school/homework/girl is taking up too much time. i'm also trophy running on EM which doesn't help my case very much either. :/

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Will get back to this game tomorrow, had class/studying to do today, as well as a five hour long nap due to sleep deprivation. Have class tomorrow mourning so sleep now.

 

[#HBC | J]

Swords, can you please give me an update on your Kanty read. What makes you of his constant WIFOM stuffs? Is it making you see genuine town being not smart or is it scum faking it?

KB, can you come back to us please? =D We need your opinion on Nabe/TB/Kanty/RF. Thank you very much.

Vlade, since you unvoted, what makes you of Nabe. I haven't seen an opinion from you on him but saying that you get that I find him scummy iirc. Can I see where you are going next? Is it RF with the way you worded the final sentence in your paragraph.

 

[#HBC | J]

6. Nabe
7. Kantrip
9. Raziek
10. Kosha Boy
12. Radical Fiction

I really feel the three scum are in this group of people. Nabe is deffo and ironically the order they appear on the front page is actually the order I am considering lynching them right now as far as D2 goes. *though one person keeps jumping from scum to town back to scum close to a lynch, I have a hand on him atm* I don't think TB/Swords/Bardull/Vlade are scum at the current time for different reasons apart.

 

[#HBC | J]

Someone please put Nabe to L-1. =D We can assume he is going to try and claim Rainicorn, VT.

 

[#HBC | J]

Things are so much easier when people look at intent.

Your intent is why I find you scummy by the by if it makes any difference. ;P

 

[Radical Fiction]

J, we believe you to be town. I understand your true motive for lynching Nabe.

Riddle me this, child.

Is Nabe scum, or is he scum or Indie? Mafioso or anti-town?

Pray tell.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Or, should we say;

Prey, tell.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Will get back to this game tomorrow, had class/studying to do today, as well as a five hour long nap due to sleep deprivation. Have class tomorrow mourning so sleep now.

Swords, I'm still waiting for that content from you. Unless, of course, you're just blowing hot air with your posts.

Do not mock what you cannot avoid.

 

[Vlade]

Swords, can you please give me an update on your Kanty read. What makes you of his constant WIFOM stuffs? Is it making you see genuine town being not smart or is it scum faking it?

KB, can you come back to us please? =D We need your opinion on Nabe/TB/Kanty/RF. Thank you very much.

Vlade, since you unvoted, what makes you of Nabe. I haven't seen an opinion from you on him but saying that you get that I find him scummy iirc. Can I see where you are going next? Is it RF with the way you worded the final sentence in your paragraph.

There are a few things that incriminate Nabe such as his passive behaviour, relentless defense for Overswarm, and his faked posting restriction. I'm not really buying the whole "I knew I wouldn't get to play much this game so I faked a posting restriction to draw the night kill". As for my stance on Nabe, he'd be leaning scum. Before I wasn't so keen on lynching someone that wasn't on the OS bandwagon but I have since been educated that it's an unreasonable way of thinking.

I would be fine with an RF lynch but there's better lynch candidates as I feel that they were being more anti-town rather than scummy.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Out of time, have asked the mod for a replace but lynch would be better. I'll drop some reads before I'm out.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I sai I felt like I talked more about the OS lynch, yes. Because I provided more profound reasoning against OS while RF was away and kindof took what they started and ran with it till the ego battle.

Good. And yet when I ask you what your reasoning was, you tell me this in 1172:

I wasn't feeling a KB lynch and the fact was OS was scummy with the very few posts he had but continued to do nothing until it was him vs. RF for an ego war. *shrug* I don't recall exactly where.

This isn't profound. What you've described here is the same "reasoning" that Rad brought up: OS wasn't here, OS is mysterious. You talk about it as if there's more, but you won't grab posts.

Inference: you're avoiding the question because you know you have a bad answer.
Inference: you're scum, OR you don't want to admit your mistake, OR you're lazy.
(Logical-inclusive or, i.e. these propositions could all be true, but at least one is.)

Knowing you, I don't think it's the latter, and I'm pretty sure it's not the second one. But you're not attempting to convince me otherwise; why?

Inference: You find me non-threatening AND you don't understand my logic, OR you're scum.

Nabe, my read on RF hasn't been non-existant. I have a concrete as can be null rea and I'm not going to force it any way just to appease that you no likey it.

This has nothing to do with not liking it. I've made that very clear.

I have given you a potential reason to have a townread on RF. You are refusing to even comment on it, and you keep repeating that you have an established solid null.

Inference: You're lazy, OR you're an idiot, OR you're scum.
(Hint: we've covered this one above.)

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

this is either the worst omgus or the worst reaction test i've ever seen in my entire life.

but if you have a compelling argument for me being scum, i'd love to hear it.

Town obviously, unpressured scum isn't combative over joke votes.

 

[#HBC | J]

Nabe, before you go, please claim so there are no road-bumps before your lynch.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Lady Rainicorn, Good Guy
And you understand that's the only thing I would conceivably claim as town OR scum so you're doing this because ___?

 

[#HBC | J]

Nabe is scum 100%.

He was at Gorf's body last night.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

What are you talking about?

 

[#HBC | J]

You visited Gorf last night. You claim VT. Look who's dead.

I'm Finn, JoAT. Watcher, I saw your crumbs, please watch me toNight.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nice, very well done. That was slick. Even when you asked for me to be tracked last Night I never thought it would be you. And obviously I didn't see the signs that you were trying to pull a VT claim out of me.

You shouldn't have claimed, you had me lynched. Hindsight's 20:20. We'll talk in post.

Due to numbers I think there's another mafia or at least an indy. Understandably this is one of those WIFOM ideas but I think it's fair that town has their mind to the task.



Legitimately found myself without time this game, sorry all.

 

[Radical Fiction]

J, we believe you to be town. I understand your true motive for lynching Nabe.

Riddle me this, child.

Is Nabe scum, or is he scum or Indie? Mafioso or anti-town?

Pray tell.

J, I was asking you if you were watcher/tracker (scum or inde Nabe) or cop (scum Nabe).

You didn't need to claim, it was somewhat obvious. Anyone who didn't pin you as this (read: most people in the game) should feel bad.

 

[#HBC | J]

I claimed because most people weren't seeing it, Having at least one scum down is good, and if i die so be it because town now has a leg up with things and should have more by watcher.

My other two PRs are useless for the most part so I'm not much use and I need to get out of this game sooner rther than later because my schedule is going to get hectic soon. =(

Buuuut yay regardless! I'm happy about my finding scum so haha. c:

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Thank you J, you spared me WIFOM of you being scum or not (was starting to consider a J/RF connection tbh).

So normally I would vote Nabe now, but yeah.

Anyways, now would probably be time to talk about potential connections, instead of simply just straight up lynching Nabe and wasting the Day.

Nabe's interactions with RF make me like RF scum a lil' less. Need to reread Nabe, but I remember him attacking RF yesturDay. He did so toDay to, but had him as town? Kind of a weird interaction to have with scum. Needs to be looked into more.

Also should probably start with other scum picks of TB and Kantrip to look into. Will do so later, when I'm up to it.

J, any ideas?

 

[Raziek]

J, possibly T-Block, I need you guys to spark my interest in this game so that I can surmount the massive wall of pages.

Help me play, D1/2 are hard for me without a partner.

 

[T-block]

j whyyy did you claim =(

raz, stay current as your main priority. the early game is not really worth reading, especially the first 10 pages. it gets a lot better with page 12 or so, and i actually didn't mind reading those. i can tell you it's a pretty interesting game so far... defs worth your time to get caught up.

 

[Raziek]

Alright, I'll start around page 12 when I get time, got a lunch date after class. :3

 

[T-block]

oOOoo cute

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

K, so I guess I probably owe an explanation of my T-Block scumread at this point, now that RF kinda gave reasoning for their scum read on Asdioh.

Thing is with Asdioh is that, reading through Day 1, he simply appeared less analytical than one should be. Especially him. Instead of simply anaylising the situation like most players should have, he constantly made it a point to point out really flimsy connections, as well as propose WIFOM situations (just as Raziek tratior). That's my main concern with him. Also don't like how he formed a town read on OS early on. No one should of been able to have done that.

Don't really know anything about that Asdioh meta, nor did I really notice any "manipulation" on his part, which RF claims to be the case. RF should get on looking for that evidence for that case of theirs.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Why is no-one commenting on Nabe's post?

 

[Radical Fiction]

I claimed because most people weren't seeing it, Having at least one scum down is good, and if i die so be it because town now has a leg up with things and should have more by watcher.

My other two PRs are useless for the most part so I'm not much use and I need to get out of this game sooner rther than later because my schedule is going to get hectic soon. =(

Buuuut yay regardless! I'm happy about my finding scum so haha. c:

Admirable, but foolish.

Never accept your death if you can avert it without detriment.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I don't need your forgiveness.

Spoiler

until postgame

What happened to Kosha Boy suspicion, people? I'm salty we didn't lynch him over Overswarm but I mean it's OS's fault for not claiming and also Bardull for throwing a hammer on.

Eh, I'll need to look at Nabe again. All I remember is him being a big fat null. If he ends up being town that puts us in a really bad spot, especially with suspicion on me.

Yeah well I can say his read has dropped down to null since I don't remember an ounce of why I thought he was town. Doesn't mean I'll lynch him yet, though, as this is D2 after a PR mislynch.

Points against Kosha Boy never stopped standing.

This isn't hard evidence, but the potential for Kantrip scum with Nabe exists from these posts.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Don't piss me off. Neither of us had posted (reads: inactivity as opposed to OMG I HAVE NO CASE LET'S HIDE) since you asked, so to come out with a post this cocky rubs me up the wrong way. Do not make me spend half the game telling you to shut the **** up. J can confirm it wastes everyone's time.

Vlade, why is Swords cleared for being RB'd and VB'd? Swords what's your punishment for voting?

FYI, that "hot air" post of mine was pressure to get you to talk.

I don't think there is any punishment for me voting. Hold on, let me check.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Nope, Circus said nothing of a punishment for voting, just that I'm "voteless."

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

There's a difference between declared inactive, and intentionally useless. Somehow, some people think OS is good - question why he did so very little. Then understand why we achieved our read.

He WAS declared inactive though. If you want, I can fish through the posts. Besides, even if he didn't declare himself inactive, there is still very little evidence that he was actively being useless, besides his first two posts (which were indeed terrible and gave no evidence of scumhunting). So how did you know he was actively being useless instead of just inactive?

I had my Asdioh scumread because as town I see him as forceful, relaxed and outgoing. He's not afraid 'nor is he concerned about most things. This game I saw a totally different player, he seemed more cautious and manipulative - less willing to be all out there. I forget my exact reasoning - and yes I know this is equally as empty as your 'case' on us as I am not referencing either (mine is at least correct, though), but I will eventually. Inb4Rykerhasn'tdone****.

I'll hold you to this.

 

[Radical Fiction]

"There's a difference between declared inactive, and intentionally useless."

Read & understand my posts before you make such banal comments.

Hold me to it all you wish, it will not affect the probability of me responding.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Lies in Kanty and Nabe how they play around with each other in a very weird manner. Nabe at one time had voted Kanty but did nothing with it then when Kanty was being questioned, he just called him town.

Kanty's repetance of having Nabe as Town-town at one point when there was nothing to support this, when called upon it he says he doesn't know why and then when he had him as null-town later on in the day, he gave a weak reason of saying that it was because Nabe agreed with him. Later on he moved Nabe down to null with OS but didn't really show why his read had changed from the last time.

I'd do quotes and stuff but no feel like it now.

Oh true? This is what I would call hard evidence. Kantrip ignoring a Nabe vote on him is def inconsistent with his play this game, so that I would call a legit connection.

Btw, reading over Vlade's post again, I can now see why you were worried about Vlade. Vlade trying to avert the Nabe wagon to something else is worrisome, but it could just be a coincidence. Everytime he posts it rings as super newb town, so I'll still lean in that direction.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

"There's a difference between declared inactive, and intentionally useless."

Read & understand my posts before you make such banal comments.

Hold me to it all you wish, it will not affect the probability of me responding.

Hmm? Unless I missed something, I think what I said still holds.

Lets take this one step at a time then so to see where I supposedly messed this up. You achieved a scumread on him because you thought he was intentional useless right? You achieved this read because he did very little good, correct?

 

[Radical Fiction]

He was declared inactive, which we acknowledge. He was, however, still intentionally useless.