Act 3 Clear!!: Sonic Tournament Results & Discussion Thread

[Kinzer]

yeah Kinzer you are not going even with X, ur sonic is terrible. U lost to nado spam. Even intelligent use of nado isnt that good vs sonic. So dont even babble how about going even with X when u get trashed by noob Metas and X is going toe to toe with Tyrant. In anycase WC has few sonics but some of us are underwraps.

Personally, i know this shouldnt be posted here, but there are things we can all learn from each other as sonic mains. I think X has been showcasing that we can compete with these top players as Sonic; heck i think alot of us sonics have been showing that little by little. We as a community just need to put it all together. I sent Kojin a post the other day stating how its suxs because i will see for instance espy with all his technical ability lost to someone he shouldnt because of the way the matchup is played. Or certain mindsets that we have with matchups here that need to be addressed (Especially the metaknight matchup). Ive played a bit with X and Ive got some replays that ill try 2 get them up eventually.

Yeah i know the sonic boards is joking and ultimately its all for fun. However as competitive players, we should knock that ish off sometimes and attempt to learn from one another. Im going to say this right now. Sonic's metagame is definitely NOT where it should be. Watching X play other players and playing top players myself (not saying im the only one) Im convinced that Sonic can handle his own. Alot of times i think that we as sonics just dont know what is exactly punishable or what follow-ups would be best for that said character. Too many times ive seen Sonics get wrecked by a glide attack by Metaknight or simply shield it for no reason. Or Sonics charging fsmash right under Snake instead of upsmash which will cover the most options due to its abstract hurtbox and longevity.

In any case, ive got nothing but love for these boards. Been lurking here awhile and have been posting from time to time. Ive seen some awesome Sonics, but its unfortunate because theres people that know Sonic and dont know the game. In 2010 we should make some noise as Sonic players, and i genuinely hope the best for all the sonics here.

Ugh.

This is the last post, Seriously none of these have anything to do with any tournament.

But anyway.

Why is it hard to believe that because I do terrible one place, that I'm not awful as a whole unit? I'm trying my absolute hardest to get better, it's not easy, and Sonic doesn't do anything to alleviate the situation. It also doesn't help that only a few people, including myself, are willing to even go through with something like this.

When's the last time you've heard of Shugo? How about the last time he's used Sonic? He's not X; AFAIK, he has methods of contact. Trouble is, his desire to show his skill as a player and win far succeeds his desire to continue to do amazing things with Sonic.

That is one person, don't get me started on how it's been getting more depressing as of late.

I'm not going to go on a long speech about how I'm going to play Sonic to the end and not give, instead I'll just say this:

Until I'm convinced that by sticking with Sonic is holding me back to the point I can't win no matter how hard I try, I'm not giving up on this character. From what I can observe, I have all the tools needed to be able to make a win. Just because there are characters better suited for a metagame such as what we have now won't stop me as long as it's not a written fact on Wikipedia or some other reliable source that a "perfect Sonic" cannot get through his difficult matchups. Me using another character will not make me any better of a player if I can't even make use of the basic forms of things, which is pretty much what Sonic is. I'll look worse actually, if I use a good character and lose anyway.

I'm not going to complain though. Doing that will get me nowhere, and will ultimately stagnate my game. More importantly to me, Sonic's metagame. I'm not doing this for myself entirely, I'm trying to get better so that I can set an example (or in my current case, help as a stagehand with the better Sonics). This character is too fun for me to lose faith in, Brawl sucks major @#$% but Sonic to me makes it worth it in the end. For anybody else that wants to follow this same path, I look forward to collaborating with. There are so many ideas to share, and so much stuff to tinker with; this is a community afterall isn't it? The few of us that remain are working towards a common goal, it only makes sense that if we can benefit one another than we should. Anybody out there think I'm doing alright for myself? You'll @#$% your pants when my apprentice surpasses me. "Out with the old, in with the new"

If it takes a little bit of mindgames and being outright better than my opponent, so be it. I'll be d***ed that if in the long run, the worse players are the ones that are winning. This a sport, if nothing else, and sports require tactics and adaptation, so bleh. Watch me beat the living Hell out of the Jew, because he's been an arrogant fool as of late, and I know that I am a better player in him, I just have to win to secure that status. This is a process of natural selection, only the strong will survive, and the strong have many things going for them that make them who they are. Getting discouraged easily is NOT one of them.

TL;DR - I will stand by my statement that I can go even with X, even beat him; until we get a rematch and he beats me into the slug that I may truly be. Until then, I have to be confident, otherwise there's no reason for me to do what I do.

 

[da K.I.D.]

when I feel that ive reached my peak and that I cant get any better and I improve any more, I will evaluate my situation and if im not winnign with sonic at that point, I will switch characters.

I already feel that sonic vs wario is a lot cause, and because of how the characters work sonic will never really be able to beat a wario move for move. wario is more mobile than sonic (even tho sonic can cover more distance faster, wario has better control over the space he does cover) wario racks damage better with higher priority moves. I mean to be honest I quit that match based on killing alone. if you take luck out of the equation sonic isnt killing wario till 160-170+ and wario is killing sonic at 100 on average (about 110-120 with f smash and around 80-90 with fart. i play mk and ddd for that now. but every other match I feel like sonic stands an adaquate chance in and if you are just better than the opponent you will win. when i reach my pinnacle of gameplay, Ill take another look at the matchups and determine which characters i can and should use per situation.

thats how i see it.

i even had a long talk with malcolm earlier about how to beat wario, and absolutely 0 of it was sonic related.

malcolm is also right about the tornado thing. yes its really good, but that doesnt make ksizzle skillless. hes a very impressive player. the fact that he beat ally from a stock down with basically a 0-70 multiple tornado combo i think just speakes to how well his spacing and timing with it is, because i can pretty much guarantee that nobody here who is thinking of playing mk can nado as effectively as ksiz, judge or m2k.

now im rambling. point is, there are moves that are really good in this game that you might not have, but if you try hard enough, you can beat them. its just that the process of beating them and improving as a player is different for every person. for some people like shado it requires taking frequent breaks from the game. for me it requires playing a multitude of characters and applying their qualities to my sonic in tournament. for malcolm it requires playing a different character. but the fact of the matter is that you have to make your own way and not rely on others to show you what to do.

 

[Kinzer]

Okay I guess I lied.

KID, you can't even beat Wario with D3 on FD. No chance in Hell you're going to get anything done with Sonic LOL.

Uhm... I suppose that's worth the infraction. Nothing I can say relevant at this point, and I haven't gotten one in forever... wonder if I can report myself...

 

[-Mars-]

Kinzer you wont beat X lol at that and HebrewHammer was decent.....got out of pools at R3. Stop hating on the jew he's a cool dude.

 

[da K.I.D.]

i finally watched those vids for the first time. and holy jesus is kinzer bad at this game. godddddd dang. if the metaknights I had to play used half as much nado as that, i would never lose.

Man i wish i lived in your region.

 

[Kinzer]

Kinzer you wont beat X lol at that and HebrewHammer was decent.....got out of pools at R3. Stop hating on the jew he's a cool dude.

Meh, of course. Everybody downplays me. But whatever. I'll blame regional bias now.

Let me worry about my own thing. I don't care what kind of a record/reputation he has, that doesn't concern me. All I know that I got a score to settle.

i finally watched those vids for the first time. and holy jesus is kinzer bad at this game. godddddd dang. if the metaknights I had to play used half as much nado as that, i would never lose.

Man i wish i lived in your region.

LOL you. You'd probably lose anyway, just because I'm a joke doesn't mean others are. I'd pay to see Kyle use Wario on you and have you lose... with any character, but for your sake D3 will give you the best chance.

Edit: No, actually, refer to my previous post. Fits just so well now. You're bad, I'm bad, we're all bad.

 

[PhantomX]

It's cool, I'm excited as it were. I haven't lost to any Sonics that I've played in tournament except Espy one time that I was tired or something.

Haha, like, there's very little the character can do anymore that would surprise me, while I'm a bagful of tricks

Also, Southwest has plenty of people that have placed high at regionals or whatever. Dojo, Razer, UTD Zac, Hylian did well at Genesis and No Koast, Lee Martin just outplaced the WC players at Pound (though admittedly there weren't very many). There are others that could do well, I think, but TX doesn't do OoS that often, b/c frankly, our community is so close-knit that we don't really enjoy the other ones as much XD Those are the primaries from "Texas" (since Lee plays mostly in our tournaments. I'm sure Gnes would place high as well if he went to tournaments OoS. Everyone just loves to be biased. Every region has plenty of great, national level players.

Also, didn't X lose to Futile twice or something? Futile is a **** player, but I'd be super surprised if he was up to date on the Wario metagame, especially since he never uses these boards. He's going to have to step it up!

For the record, I don't think if the Wario and Sonic are fighting toe to toe that Wario's advantage gets any greater than 60:40. Sonic's bair and fair do a good job of outranging Wario in the air and making things a general nuisance.

 

[ithrowthings]

As for dropping sonic, I don't believe it will change how things go for you Kojin. You are too easily frustrated. Once you begin to get frustrated all of your characters turn into Link(Link mains plz dont hate me. Beer all day guys.).I told you that @ the hotel. You seem to carry this chip on your shoulder because you use sonic and everyone else doesn't so suddenly their characters are oh-so-easy to play. Then you are mad the moment they play the matchup correctly or begin to wall u effectively. That mindset will be your downfall regardless of who you pick up.

Kojin ur a cool dude pre-brawling. You need to remain that same cool dude during the game.

This man speaks the truth. I was pretty cocky about my playstyle and he pretty much told me off before CoT4 and I ignored him. After playing him at CoT4 I had some humble pie and my game has improved ten-fold since then. Listen to his advice. It's good.

It's cool, I'm excited as it were. I haven't lost to any Sonics that I've played in tournament except Espy one time that I was tired or something.

Haha, like, there's very little the character can do anymore that would surprise me, while I'm a bagful of tricks

For the record, I don't think if the Wario and Sonic are fighting toe to toe that Wario's advantage gets any greater than 60:40. Sonic's bair and fair do a good job of outranging Wario in the air and making things a general nuisance.

While sonic's bair and fair are nice to have against wario, you have to anticipate that the wario is going into the air and that he isn't going to airdodge. Also, if the Wario makes good use of bite and fart it really starts to tilt the tables in his favor. I've played against our region's best Wario player many times and the matchup is pretty much a joke for him (he used to main Sonic so he knows all my tricks, how to avoid kills and how to get kills) While I'm able to get him to last stock most of the time, I'm working my *** off!

For example, he'll start the match with a few bites and I punish them all. Then he starts switching to an aerial game and I pick up on it quickly and begin to counter him. I get a relatively decent % lead and he switches back to biting which works for a little bit and then I counter it again. He avoids kills no matter what I try to I keep wracking % but he still gets the first kill. After he has a % lead he can now play as campy as he wants and if I make the slightest mistake he farts on me and makes the lead even bigger. The matchup is stupid.

 

[Kuraudo]

lol at me getting name dropped as the North Sonic pages back. I'll rep that (?) with pride. fffff

Give that recognition to Infzy or something. He fights in the stronger Canadian region.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9khDedACgY

Watch this, and watch yourself improve, anyone who remembers this. For as old as the video is, the message stands true. This is the exact reason why X is doing as well as he is. It's not just because he's using Sonic to a higher potential than others. It's his mindset that makes him a great player, and shows in the strengths and weaknesses of his Sonic.

As old as it was when it happened, when MalcolmM's Sonic took a match in his set with Mew2King. It wasn't just because of how good he was with Sonic during that stage of the metagame. It was because of the way he was thinking. Don't go in thinking you'll lose or win without a hitch. Go in thinking you will win. No matter what it takes. Whatever strong options you have at your disposal in the match-up. You capitalize on what you can do and RUN with it, and never stop until the set is over. Not until the one match is over.

You can't look at a Death Pool and automatically think to yourself, "...**** my life." Many have done it when competing, and worrying.

That's where you fall and lose. You worry, you lose the winning mindset, and overall you just LOSE. When you're faced with higher odds? You acknowledge those odds, say to yourself, "This is going to be tough." and take it from there. Sonic has shown to be a good enough character at high level gameplay that you are limited only by the imagination of your mind and the confidence you carry with you.

In fact? Win or lose for me, the next tournament I go to? The next time that I sit down with someone like KillL0ck, Alphicans, or SuPeRbOoM, the top players in my region? I'm going into that fight knowing it's tough. But you know what? I don't have it rough, if you know what I'm saying.

I'm Kuraudo. I'm going to have the winning mindset and do what it takes to not play stupid. I am going to WIN. I refuse to overhype myself in my head on what I can accomplish, only take what I go with as I fight on my way to the top, and never stop.

The next time one of you sits down to face someone like MikeHAZE, Ally, or something or another, tell yourself that you have to win. Guaranteed that win or lose you are going to play far better than you would with a predetermined thought of the outcome.

X won't be the best player amongst us forever. Whether I use a secondary or not, I have to keep the mindset to win, and when I do, if my will is stronger then whoever I face, I will go far. And I will make anyone fear whoever gets in my way or make them sweat. And if they keep a cool and level head about things as I wish to carry out? Then that just means it's going to be one hell of an amazing match. The stronger your mindset, the stronger your tactics and methods over your opponent will be.

Now. See everything I said, including the boasts of confidence and the goals I have in mind? Don't just dream it. FIGHT for it and work to make that come true. Anybody can do it. X is doing it and only going even FARTHER. Where are we? On our way.

I don't know where this long ramble came from. But the important thing is the link I put up.

I should sleep. lol

 

[~TBS~]

Yeah right. Im gonna beat Chu again even though he learned he MU that fast just by playing me twice. Awesome. These guys over here in this region craps on Sonic.

So, mindsets=win? Awesome. I have an inferiority complex gg me. Its whatever to me at this point, i mean, getting walled, not killing, im tired of it all. My region is too strong for this character, hence why Kojin is now dropping Sonic and why Shado now uses higher tier chars. (I cant speak for these guys, but thats what i think atm) Those results are so old, and thats when no one knew what the heck to do vs Sonic. Once they wised up, it was the beginning of the end for Sonic in MD/VA. eh, maybe im just ranting, but im not dropping Sonic.

 

[ksizl4life]

who da eff cares? i dont play like that in friendlies. when money is on the line, people change. jeez people need to see it from my point of view.

jaybee, what if you had the ability to use tornado like that and were facing ally? u just gonna walk up to him and get up tilted cuz u think ur too broken so ally should win? **** that. snake and diddy beat him anyway. people just suck vs tornado

 

[Espy Rose]

It's cool, I'm excited as it were. I haven't lost to any Sonics that I've played in tournament except Espy one time that I was tired or something.

Aww, I feel the love.

For the record, I don't think if the Wario and Sonic are fighting toe to toe that Wario's advantage gets any greater than 60:40. Sonic's bair and fair do a good job of outranging Wario in the air and making things a general nuisance.

This. Wario vs. Sonic doesn't get any worse for Sonic than a 40:60. You can definitely feel that disadvantage, but it's kinda manageable.

Just get ready for Steakfest2 though. You're mine.

Sonic's bair and fair eat Wario's aerials alive...or trades hits.

Stuff

Granted it was off of sloppy play on his part, I beat Razer at HOBO22 by thinking this way.
However, to everyone, understand that there's a difference between being confident, and being cocky.

 

[da K.I.D.]

You can be confident without being cocky,

but as youve learned from me, you cant be cocky without being confident.

step ya games up scrubby sonics.

 

[PhantomX]

Haha, Espy, you're good, but even you said something was off with me that day A win is a win though, no johns for me.

Yeah, I don't know, the Sonic can make it very hard for Wario to kill him, but we'll still outlive you, so like... yeah.

 

[B.A.M.]

KID i must say nothing but truth came out of your post on this page. Well done sir. I agree with Malcom as well. There's too much sonics getting depressed and ish. Yeah we have a harder time in quite a bit of matchups. However if u just stop complaining and look at the ratios, you would realize we have alot of 60:40 matchups. What does that mean? it means if we are OF EQUAL SKILL LEVEL or the supposed top of the metagame (uh huh) for that said character, you should win 4 out of 10 times vs the 6 of ur opponent. You getting destroyed isnt because of the character. Its the player being out right better than you. Metaknight is obviously the best but hes not HAHAH NO SKILZZ WIN. Not at all. if you are a good sonic and you play a crappy metaknight then u should win. If not, maybe you need to re-evaluate your own skill level.

Stop this noobish low tier complex. We dont have it THAT bad compared to numerous of character in brawl. Espy is hanging with top players; X is hanging with top players. I mean if you think about it what mid tier is doing work like us with our amount of good reps? So it is possible. Dont blame your weakness on the character.

 

[B.A.M.]

DOUBLE POST SON: And about our region. All i know is none of the metas in So Cal are nadoing like that. Only the Hebrew Hammer lol. Kinzer u shouldve really beaten him though. Seriously. Hey KID you coming down anytime soon on a business trip? We should actually play this time.

 

[Espy Rose]

Haha, Espy, you're good, but even you said something was off with me that day A win is a win though, no johns for me.

True, true.

Yeah, I don't know, the Sonic can make it very hard for Wario to kill him, but we'll still outlive you, so like... yeah.

Unless we gimp each other...which both of us have done to each other in the past

Honestly PX, despite that you've beaten me pretty consistently lately, you're my favorite Smasher to play against. No homo.

There's too much sonics getting depressed and ish. Yeah we have a harder time in quite a bit of matchups.

With reason. Outside of bottom tier, we only go 50:50 or better with Sheik, maybe Wolf, maybe Ice Climbers, and maybe Pikachu. I feel that everyone else who isn't in D, E, & F tier has some sort of advantage on us, though some matches are just 55:45, which is pretty close to even.

Hell, even counting in D-F tiers, we only get an advantage on Zelda, and a slight advantage on Ike and Link. I feel like the only matches we actually have in favor of Sonic in this game are Samus and Ganondorf, honestly.

The point is that with so many matches either 5:5 or in the opponents favor (including those 55:45s), we have to be consistently focused on outright outplaying our opponents in every match. It's not as if we're the only ones, and it's not to say that high leveled players don't experience this, even with their high/top tier characters, but I feel as though by maining Sonic, we are putting much more stress on our minds by limiting ourselves to our unreliable options.

I can't tell you guys how mentally tired I get after playing a certain player in one round, beating them, then having to repeat the process immediately afterward against a player with, usually, a higher level of skill. Playing a character that requires me to be more focused and precise with every move I make tires me out, and it's difficult to keep up a tight level of focus throughout an entire tournament experience.

Of course, this is just one big, fat, super-john, so I suppose it could be disregarded, since everyone has to deal with this problem. I just feel that because we are more limited in options and viability against certain characters- in comparison to the top tiers- that we exhaust ourselves sooner, considering that we have to be at the top of our game consistently over a longer period of time to overcome the obstacle than say, a Meta Knight main.

This entire problem overall just depresses the mind, considering the knowledge that though we still would have to work hard for our victories if we played, say, Dedede or Wario, we wouldn't have to be on this very high level of focus constantly throughout the tournament experience.

Just my personal opinion/thoughts.

However if u just stop complaining and look at the ratios, you would realize we have alot of 60:40 matchups. What does that mean? it means if we are OF EQUAL SKILL LEVEL or the supposed top of the metagame (uh huh) for that said character, you should win 4 out of 10 times vs the 6 of ur opponent. You getting destroyed isnt because of the character. Its the player being out right better than you.

I always felt that 60:40 was pretty significant, especially at incredibly low and incredibly high levels of tournament play.

On one end of the spectrum, the incredibly low level of skill, we wouldn't be surprised to see a Meta Knight player over-abusing the tornado against some a Dedede. The Dedede doesn't have the knowledge or the ability to adapt at this level, and is crushed by the simple strategy.

Then perhaps, at high-level play, a Dedede has the knowledge, and can execute the moves Dedede possesses that stop tornado abuse. The Meta Knight player, however, has found ways around these Dedede strategies, and starts abusing tornado only when they are certain the the Dedede's options are limited as to prevent his tornado-stopping options from being viable.

This is not to say that I think Meta Knight vs. Dedede is 60:40 (Even if it is, I don't care about non-Sonic Match-up ratios), it is purely to illustrate what I'm trying to say.

That, and I'm sure we need to go through match up ratios again. I severely doubt that vs. Lucario is 40:60 (I feel it's 35:65), and that Meta Knight should also be popped up to the 35:65 ratio.

Then again, those are just my opinions and whatnot on the matter.

Stop this noobish low tier complex. We dont have it THAT bad compared to numerous of character in brawl.

True. Though we do have some poor match ups in general (4:6's pretty much all around, with some 35:65s, 5:5s, and two or three 60:40s that won't normally happen in standard tournaments), several characters have match ups that outright cripple them (Ganondorf vs. Ice Climbers, Mario vs. Dedede [?], Sheik vs. Pikachu).

It's because we've been gifted/cursed with these odd match up ratios, character-specific abilities (Sonic's recovery and list of options are amazing), and our own wits and play style, that we are allowed to do so well in tournaments.

It's always going to be difficult, but meh, what else can you do but just try harder, right?
If you think otherwise, then picking up a secondary to cover Sonic's more difficult match ups would solve that problem, no?

 

[Joemama8]

Stop this noobish low tier complex. We dont have it THAT bad compared to numerous of character in brawl. Espy is hanging with top players; X is hanging with top players. I mean if you think about it what mid tier is doing work like us with our amount of good reps? So it is possible. Dont blame your weakness on the character.

Well put. Im just breaking into the tourney scene (3 epic fails under my belt ) but I will never blame the character when I should be blaming my inability. Just working harder and geting better!

 

[da K.I.D.]

I would like to see what some of the people here think about sonics matchups, cus i feel espys list would be vastly more disadvantaged than mine would be.

 

[Espy Rose]

I would like to see what some of the people here think about sonics matchups, cus i feel espys list would be vastly more disadvantaged than mine would be.

Disadvantaged, yes, but not unmanageable. Most characters on my list pretty much fall in the 40:60/5:5 range, with some 35:65s (like, three or four).

I'd put mine up, but this isn't the thread for that.

 

[da K.I.D.]

i dont feel like actually argue the matchups, just seeing what everyone thinks about the matchups

put up a list in the SGD son

 

[Kinzer]

I'm glad I came back to read some of this stuff.

It helps me to know that I am not alone in what I do. Kuraudo gets it, Syon gets it, Espy gets it. "What is it?" Some people will ask? If you're not going to read the WoTs, to put it simple, we're constantly at a disadvantage and we always, ALWAYS have to be at the top of our game. This is the choice you make when you decide you want to main Sonic, there's little that can be done.

But also that it's not theoretically impossible. If you are willing to put the effort into it, you can get it done. It's just take a strong will (and preferably a strong physique as well.) Complaining about this choice will get you nowhere, if you want to win with less effort, play top-tiers, that's what they're freaking there for.

I don't even know sometimes, to be honest. If we actually take a look at the tier list, I am conflicted on how exactly it's suppose to be observed. On one hand, because Sonic doesn't have any unwinnable matchups as some other characters are unfortunately assigned (Space animals not named Falco, the characters that get the @#$% harder (Mario, Luigi, DK, etc.)) Now I can go on forever, but people are always going on about how they apparently have tools to rise above/stay above Sonic? I find that really hard to believe when somebody can use trap cards against that character that basically invalidate them for good. Maybe they're artifically better than Sonic for the moment because not everybody feels like taking their game that far, but I digress. It just seems silly to me that we put in 7 times more work into Sonic, but yet nobody outside this community cares.

And honestly, I can't be bothered about that. The reason why I've stopped caring about the tier list is because if you can put up a convincing argument, or get enough petitions, you'll get what you want, hehe. Let's see, Sheik's a very good example. She seems like a decent character, couple of (g)**** matchups here and there, and still very little to no tourney results. I don't wanna hear that Armada BS, that happened at Genesis which was '09 son, get future, get @ Pound4, and get a dose of reality, because IIRC Armada entered Brawl and didn't get anything done (at least not without a big fat ol' "Meta Knight" next to his name.)

Hmm... I think I'm ranting by this point. I'm just glad to see that there are people that realize some of this ish. It's not an easy road, no matter how you go about trekking it, but at least it can be done if anybody wants to go out there...

 

[___X___]

BIIIGGG KINNZZZERRR!!!

are you planning on going to SCSA5??

i heard some of vegas is going, please go! and then we can do our amazing 20 dollar money match!


(assuming im gonna go)


also, i had this smashfest yesterday and i 3 stocked socals best samus user 2 times in a money match

This sonic has been faster than the speed of light!

 

[da K.I.D.]

sonic stomps the mess out of samus. real talk

 

[mikeHAZE]

wrong thread

 

[~TBS~]

Its sickening that people keep telling me to pick MK and just win. I immediately think how some Sonic mains go only Sonic and get these ridiculous placings and beat top players. @ Pound, it was crazy how many people told me to drop this horrible character and pick up MK or Snake, or whoever. Of course I refused.

What am i to do? Just keep playing? Throwin out those attacks and cancels hoping they amount to something? I just dont know how to play this character anymore. I just cant seem to read people at all or anything. I need more smashfests...like everyone in MD/VA knows what to do vs this char spot on or something.

EDIT: Its not just me. Shado and Kojin agreed on this.

 

[Kinzer]

BIIIGGG KINNZZZERRR!!!

are you planning on going to SCSA5??

i heard some of vegas is going, please go! and then we can do our amazing 20 dollar money match!

I'd love to, but I can't go outside of this city during the school year, and even then I don't think they'd fund me to go, let alone go with a couple of Vegassmash, who to my parents, are complete strangers. :/

I'll be rooting for you though.

 

[___X___]

Its sickening that people keep telling me to pick MK and just win. I immediately think how some Sonic mains go only Sonic and get these ridiculous placings and beat top players. @ Pound, it was crazy how many people told me to drop this horrible character and pick up MK or Snake, or whoever. Of course I refused.

What am i to do? Just keep playing? Throwin out those attacks and cancels hoping they amount to something? I just dont know how to play this character anymore. I just cant seem to read people at all or anything. I need more smashfests...like everyone in MD/VA knows what to do vs this char spot on or something.

EDIT: Its not just me. Shado and Kojin agreed on this.

Hey, its okay man! people lose all the time with sonic! believe me i get owned all the time!

so don't worry! just please stick with sonic because you want to, Winning really isn't everything, of course its enjoyable but the main reason your playing this game is to have fun right?
sonic is your favorite character is he not? don't just throw him away because he's not as good as the top tiers, have fun with him and figure things out on your own! I know you can get better, anyone can!
but please make sure you main sonic because YOU Want to.

when i first saw that sonic was in brawl i said to myself "Im gonna main this character forever whether he sucks or not" so just try your best to get good and have fun with him!!




EDIT TO KINZER: I might not go to scsa5 but if i do, I would love for you to cheer me on!!

 

[MarKO X]

X is like, the most optimistic Sonic main ever.

Almost inspires me to go back to Sonic... almost.

 

[~TBS~]

But you get Top 5, 10, 3 all the time, beat the top players and win 10+ money matches. I dont see how you can get all discouraged if you doin that good man. Maybe it does come down to the view of the game. I did talk to people at pound to see how they felt during tourney/friendlies/etc, and some said "Its Brawl" and kinda smirked, some said they enjoy it and really take losing as an experience to get better. Maybe im looking at the game wrong? I just really hate losing. Im always hard on myself for losing and things of that nature inferiority complex kicks my butt hard.
I just need a fresh restart or something. Oh, X, i mained Sonic (and only Sonic) cause im a die-hard fan. I'm emphasizing that im not gonna drop him ever.

It could also be im trapped in a pattern. I need to try things i dont usually do? Or its adapting...eh, i'll try to get to a smashfest soon if MD/VA can get one going. Blergh, i gotta stop getting like this on you guys.

 

[Kinzer]

But you get Top 5, 10, 3 all the time, beat the top players and win 10+ money matches. I dont see how you can get all discouraged if you doin that good man. Maybe it does come down to the view of the game. I did talk to people at pound to see how they felt during tourney/friendlies/etc, and some said "Its Brawl" and kinda smirked, some said they enjoy it and really take losing as an experience to get better. Maybe im looking at the game wrong? I just really hate losing.

It could also be im trapped in a pattern. I need to try things i dont usually do? Or its adapting...eh, i'll try to get to a smashfest soon if MD/VA can get one going. Blergh, i gotta stop getting like this on you guys.

It's not good to bottle things up.

Anyway, they're right. It's Brawl, it's dumb, but I doubt it's much different in other competitive games. That's just how things/life works.

 

[Espy Rose]

Hey, its okay man! people lose all the time with sonic! believe me i get owned all the time!

so don't worry! just please stick with sonic because you want to, Winning really isn't everything, of course its enjoyable but the main reason your playing this game is to have fun right?
sonic is your favorite character is he not? don't just throw him away because he's not as good as the top tiers, have fun with him and figure things out on your own! I know you can get better, anyone can!
but please make sure you main sonic because YOU Want to.

when i first saw that sonic was in brawl i said to myself "Im gonna main this character forever whether he sucks or not" so just try your best to get good and have fun with him!!




EDIT TO KINZER: I might not go to scsa5 but if i do, I would love for you to cheer me on!!

This is as scary as hell.

It's just like reading inside my mind back when I was beginning to play Brawl.

X, get on AIM or something.

 

[___X___]

This is as scary as hell.

It's just like reading inside my mind back when I was beginning to play Brawl.

X, get on AIM or something.

hahah, add me!!!!

 

[~TBS~]

Im not gonna lie, that saying got to me too. That was beautiful. I should sig some of that material, its freakin awesome.

Kinzer, you have a point, but come on, it has to get annoying with my constant negativity everytime something like this happens? When it comes to these matches, you have to have some kind of confidence...right? When i went into pools, i was scaaarrred. I was happy to make it out of first round, but second round, whew, i was -dead-. I

 

[da K.I.D.]

kinzer always has mad confidence when he talks to me, yall need to stop babying him, and treat him the way I do, itll toughen him up and it builds character

 

[Exceladon City]

How was it playing against Hilt? Also, don't drop Sonic, if you love playing him and you're a die hard fan. Pick a secondary, one you enjoy as much as Sonic. Just don't pick one you'll end up maining because the victory comes easier. Better yet go it alone with Sonic, like Boss does with Luigi or Legan with Link. LINK of all characters!! Stay true to your roots. Stop getting discouraged, it makes it less fun, especially when you give in to the "Pick a better character" naysayers. Besides, SM5 doesn't fit a MK or Snake player...

 

[Kinzer]

LOL KID, I appreciate that, really I do.

Only because I'm masochistic though, and I'd be d***ed if I let somebody like you stop me from doing something I love.

Anyway, Speed, I don't know why you're getting depressed or where you're getting your negative source of confidence from, but it needs to stop. Seriously, what's the point in playing this game if you don't enjoy doing it? Like I said before, Brawl sucks monkey nuts, but Sonic makes this game playable. Although it's kind of inevitable, KID has a point when he says that you have to take what hits you and make something out of it. It's a process of natural selection, how the weak-minded will die off and be forgotten to the sands of time, whereas the ones who adapt and become stronger from their experience will have a better chance of survival.

Kuraudo already said it, if you don't want to take my word for it. I don't remember exactly what he said without looking back, but I know it was something on the line that no matter what, you need ti find some kind of balance where you don't go in there thinking "ugh, I'm gonna lose~ V_V", but you also can't take it to the point where "ah, these fools suck, I can beat them with one arm tied to my back!" At least, you can't do that with Sawnik X_X.

That's my motivational support anyway (I don't take full credit BTW, others have gone and said this kind of stuff too... we're all in this together). If you'd like to critique your game or something like that, it'd help if I had videos to watch and analyze. I can only tell you so much, but it'd be more efficient if I were to pinpoint where exactly faults in your game lie.

Edit:

VV

This guy below me, not even a Sonic main, and he understands.

 

[PhantomX]

SonicMaster - hating losses is the first step towards failure. Losses are a natural course of life, you need to learn to make the best of them and learn what you can from them and then incorporate that information so you can grow.

The lesson is equally true of life and the game.

 

[sonictailslink]

I'm making this quick since I'm just in a bad mood right now

VegasSmash Gameworld Weekly #29
http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=8532
January 17th, 2010
Out of 19
Tails - 17th (Sonic)

VegasSmash Gameworld Weekly Amateur Bracket #29
http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=8532
January 17th, 2010
Out of 12
Tails - 9th (Sonic)

What's the point of explaining what happened. I know I'm going to be ignored/over shadowed. I'll just give a quick summary

Kinzer didn't come to this week's tournament so this is my first tournament without him since AnimeVegas. I was hoping to do good and impress Kinzer, but I guess I failed at that. In singles, I had to play against Z first then Omega. Lost to them 0-2. In Amateur, I'm not going to explain what happened since I posted the videos in the video criticism. That's all I'm going to say.

 

[~TBS~]

I could have sworn i responded to these posts. @_@

Ah, Excel, i did meet you @ Pound. uh...hai again? :3
Yeah, Hilt needs help on the Sonic MU. I 3 stocked H1me and Hilt's olimars. Hilt CP'd D3 on me and took me to PS1. I got beaten there, but I CP'd SV (for some reason, i camp there the best somehow). I had 2 stocks and he was @ last stock, high %. 25 seconds left on the clock, and that fsmash connected. You better believe that duck was quackin. Im not gonna take those wins for granted, they were due to the MU things. And I hate secondaries. I just wanted to pick that one Blue hedgehog who i swore i'd dedicate myself to. And Sonic only. No johns...If i were to pick someone else, i wouldnt be SM5, now would I? XD Im not gonna let them get to me like that and let them talk down to me saying "pick a top tier". Im immune to Sanford Kelly logic.

Like I said Kinzer, its an inferiority complex, and its complex. If you need more details, you can PM me about it. (dont wanna clutter the thread). But I do think about how top players look at losing and all that. They just seem to shake it off and come back stronger rapin. It might not happen immediately, but they keep @ it until it gets there. Makes meh go

@ PX
Yeah, thats the cold truth. Losing always happens and you gotta be prepared to jump back up on that one platform before falling off the board with that hands up pose. And same for life...yeah upsets happen, but bounce back from eet.

EDIT: Whoa there Tails, I always read the boards.
I dont ignore anyone...