Legend of Zelda A Debate to the Past

[AngryMoblyn1881]

The point isn't to get everyone to agree, the point is having the agreements with solid reasoning. And, that's something we don't have yet. It's logical, but perhaps more options if possible?
It's safe to eliminate the old forest temple (OoT) because that seems to fit more in the Sacred grove. Then again, contradiction is played here as I can say that, though the forest temple was in the Sacred grove, the Temple of time in-fact was not. Those broken staircases in TP are similar to the Forest temple in OoT, but could also be the staircase before the temple of time.

What I dont get about this theory of the OoT forest temple completely missing somewhere in the lost woods is that , it was farely close to kokiri forest, so unless the lost woods has the power to move its structures with mystecal forest powers... I dont ssee why no one could find it.

 

[Spire]

What I dont get about this theory of the OoT forest temple completely missing somewhere in the lost woods is that , it was farely close to kokiri forest, so unless the lost woods has the power to move its structures with mystecal forest powers... I dont ssee why no one could find it.

Given that it was already heavily decrepit circa OoT, give it 100+ years time and it could be completely consumed.

 

[Creo]

WHOA GUYS. I think I just figured out something huge. HUGE.

Okay, so ALttP's backstory provides details about the Seal War and how Ganon raided Hyrule, entered the Sacred Realm, and used the Triforce's power to corrupt the realm into the Dark World, but was thus sealed within it by the Sages and the Knights (of whom most died). The legend specifically states that there was no hero to draw the Master Sword to kill Ganon, which is why they had to seal him away. Since this story is 19 years old now, we may be able to assume that TP (following such a similar story altogether) has retconned the Dark World to be the Twilight Realm. Given that Link had left for Termina, it would make sense that Ganon raided the Sacred Realm then and was thus sealed within the Twilight Realm/Dark World.

Wow. I need to read on AlttP to be sure(not that I don't trust you Spire, just for self conformation...).
That is huge. How EPIC would it be if in Zelda Wii, The hero goes back in time for the final battle with Ganon. A Zelda prequel to TP/WW would be too good. This game is exciting me too much.

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

Wow. I need to read on AlttP to be sure(not that I don't trust you Spire, just for self conformation...).
That is huge. How EPIC would it be if in Zelda Wii, The hero goes back in time for the final battle with Ganon. A Zelda prequel to TP/WW would be too good. This game is exciting me too much.

I agree but i dont know if i want a game aboutthat more than a TP seaquel.

How do you make banners???

 

[Phantom7]

WHOA GUYS. I think I just figured out something huge. HUGE.

Okay, so ALttP's backstory provides details about the Seal War and how Ganon raided Hyrule, entered the Sacred Realm, and used the Triforce's power to corrupt the realm into the Dark World, but was thus sealed within it by the Sages and the Knights (of whom most died). The legend specifically states that there was no hero to draw the Master Sword to kill Ganon, which is why they had to seal him away. Since this story is 19 years old now, we may be able to assume that TP (following such a similar story altogether) has retconned the Dark World to be the Twilight Realm. Given that Link had left for Termina, it would make sense that Ganon raided the Sacred Realm then and was thus sealed within the Twilight Realm/Dark World.

Hmmm... I really hate that TP and WW are parallel because it really seems like TP and ALttP should be.

I don't know, to me it sounds like you're saying TP and ALttP are exactly the same series of events. But that can't be completely true because there are too many differences. Obviously they have something significantly in common, because of this and also the fact that the Master Sword is in the forest, but what could it be?

 

[Spire]

Hmmm... I really hate that TP and WW are parallel because it really seems like TP and ALttP should be.

I don't know, to me it sounds like you're saying TP and ALttP are exactly the same series of events. But that can't be completely true because there are too many differences. Obviously they have something significantly in common, because of this and also the fact that the Master Sword is in the forest, but what could it be?

I 100% wholeheartedly agree that TP and ALttP should be parallel. But they aren't unfortunately. Have you realized how WW is very much a rehash of LoZ's story, just as TP is a rehash of ALttP's story? More so, AoL is somewhat similar to PH.

TP and ALttP follow MM on the Child Timeline, but Ganon never exactly sacked Hyrule. The sages said in TP that Ganondorf attempted to raid Hyrule, but was foiled - which further confirms that ALttP is in the Child Timeline because ALttP's backstory depicts the seven wise men, and the six [yeah, a discrepancy] sages in TP represent them far more than the awakened six [seven] sages in the Adult Timeline, most of which were female. We don't know the extent of his attack on Hyrule though. Because he is depicted as much older, will full facial hair and all in the scene showing his failed execution/banishment to the Twilight Realm, it may be assumed that quite an amount of time had passed before he decided to invade Hyrule, further suggesting and/or supporting that Link, the Hero of Time had something to do with his banishment. Perhaps Link, after traveling back from Termina and aging, defeats Ganondorf and the Sages then take him to the Arbiter's Grounds for his execution?

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

I 100% wholeheartedly agree that TP and ALttP should be parallel. But they aren't unfortunately. Have you realized how WW is very much a rehash of LoZ's story, just as TP is a rehash of ALttP's story? More so, AoL is somewhat similar to PH.

TP and ALttP follow MM on the Child Timeline, but Ganon never exactly sacked Hyrule. The sages said in TP that Ganondorf attempted to raid Hyrule, but was foiled - which further confirms that ALttP is in the Child Timeline because ALttP's backstory depicts the seven wise men, and the six [yeah, a discrepancy] sages in TP represent them far more than the awakened six [seven] sages in the Adult Timeline, most of which were female. We don't know the extent of his attack on Hyrule though. Because he is depicted as much older, will full facial hair and all in the scene showing his failed execution/banishment to the Twilight Realm, it may be assumed that quite an amount of time had passed before he decided to invade Hyrule, further suggesting and/or supporting that Link, the Hero of Time had something to do with his banishment. Perhaps Link, after traveling back from Termina and aging, defeats Ganondorf and the Sages then take him to the Arbiter's Grounds for his execution?

But I am pretty sure OoT and MM link are the heros shade a lot of evidence points to it.

 

[Spire]

But I am pretty sure OoT and MM link are the heros shade a lot of evidence points to it.

...okay? Where and how did my post discount that possibility?

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

Well you said they executed him. But infact if link was not murdered in the lost woods then he wouldnt be a stalfos................. oh my bad I thought you were talking about link but I just realized that you were talking about gannon!

 

[Creo]

Well you said they executed him. But infact if link was not murdered in the lost woods then he wouldnt be a stalfos................. oh my bad I thought you were talking about link but I just realized that you were talking about gannon!

*Ahem*
GANNON BANNED!

@Spire:
This isn't fact(I don't think), but doesn't termina Link go BACK to hyrule(in the search for Navi)at the end of Majora's Mask? So he couldn't age in Termina..unless you're just saying that specific Link(which would also include OoT)and not the area.

Anyways, I just wanted to say it's my birthday! (Yay)

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

*Ahem*
GANNON BANNED!

@Spire:
This isn't fact(I don't think), but doesn't termina Link go BACK to hyrule(in the search for Navi)at the end of Majora's Mask? So he couldn't age in Termina..unless you're just saying that specific Link(which would also include OoT)and not the area.

Anyways, I just wanted to say it's my birthday! (Yay)

Happy B-day creo!!!!!!!

But back to the deku trees topic, I was thinking last night that if the forest temple were the deku trees, wouldent they have faces? Like if you play OoT again after the deku tree dies, you can go back as much as you want and he still has a face. So I find it kinda hard to belive that the trees ( if actually are the dekus) would just lose there faces.

there is one possebility I have come up with to destroy this sceptical comment, so I thought that maybe when the kokiris left the forest the forest lost its magical powers(such as to bring trees to life) and maybe that is also why the deku seed died aswell??? Think about it, they are described as magical sprite type children who never age so I am thinking thay are the ones that give the forest life. So if they leave the forest "dies".

 

[Ganonsburg]

That doesn't work because it's the Deku Tree that gives them their life and power, as well as the life to the forest. As an adult in OoT, the forest is still dying despite the presence of the Kokiri. The Deku Tree is the Kokiri's guardian, not the other way around.

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

That doesn't work because it's the Deku Tree that gives them their life and power, as well as the life to the forest. As an adult in OoT, the forest is still dying despite the presence of the Kokiri. The Deku Tree is the Kokiri's guardian, not the other way around.

Right, right, but still how do they lose there faces?........................... lol might have just figured it out. so because the trees have been shopped down they would obviously lose there faces. I seem to be answering my own questions alot lately lol.

 

[zaneebaslave]

How could the Deku Scrub have grown so fast in 100 years? Thats the biggest blunder of this theory: Trees dont grow that big. I mean, sure the Deku trees are magical and all, but the Great Deku Tree is supposed to be ancient and powerful. The Deku Scrub couldnt mature and then die within only 100 years.

 

[Skrlx]

It is written that whoever refers to Ganon as "Gannon" be tortured by a thousand angry Cucco's for 2 days.

 

[theunabletable]

How could the Deku Scrub have grown so fast in 100 years? Thats the biggest blunder of this theory: Trees dont grow that big. I mean, sure the Deku trees are magical and all, but the Great Deku Tree is supposed to be ancient and powerful. The Deku Scrub couldnt mature and then die within only 100 years.

Jacensolo of LegendsAlliance retranslated that interview that stated that TP was a hundred and something years after OoT, to something like "several hundred years".

Meh I'll have to find the exact post some time, but there is most definitely a couple hundred years in between OoT and TP/TWW (on their respective timelines).

 

[Ganonsburg]

Even if there's only a hundred years (which I don't like, it doesn't give much time for all the geography changes), that would probably be enough time for the Deku Tree's son to grow up. I mean, he just popped out of the ground in one day as a fat tree as tall as a Kokiri, so he probably grows at an accelerated rate.

 

[zaneebaslave]

So the Great Deku is just... a 200/300 year old tree? Does that make Link only about 7 when he looks about 18? Hey, I guess erosion and mountains happen over only about 50 years too, on account that theres so many new cliffs and mountains everywhere.

No... No, that makes no sense. The Great Deku Tree DOESNT grow up in a hundred years. The Deku tree is probably somewhere else, and this dead tree took his place. Plain and simple.

 

[Phantom7]

So the Great Deku is just... a 200/300 year old tree? Does that make Link only about 7 when he looks about 18? Hey, I guess erosion and mountains happen over only about 50 years too, on account that theres so many new cliffs and mountains everywhere.

No... No, that makes no sense. The Great Deku Tree DOESNT grow up in a hundred years. The Deku tree is probably somewhere else, and this dead tree took his place. Plain and simple.

Notice how similar the Forest Temple looks to the Deku Sprout. He is exactly the same color and shape, only much larger. Nintendo probably would have done that as a cameo reference, regardless of how quickly trees grow.

Besides, don't tress grow old in a few hundred years anyway? I believe so. Just because the Deku Trees talk doesn't mean they're thousands of years old, anyway. They probably live decently long lives, but the spirit of the Deku Tree is reincarnated into each new one. Therefore, the spirit is thousands of years old, but the tree is only hundreds.

 

[zaneebaslave]

Certain trees do, but do you honestly believe that a HUMONGOUS tree like the Deku trees are only a few hundred years old? These are trees that make Avatar's trees look skimpy. Trees that big will never grow that big within hundreds or even thousands of years. Just because they are the same "color" (They arent) doesnt make them the same tree.

Quite frankly, there isnt enough proof for any of this to be true. Kokiri being monkeys, the Deku tree and deku scrub growing old and dying within 100 years and then people turning them into temples, all seems too farfetched to work except in one's own imagination.

I believe that Faron Woods is something completely different from the Lost Woods, and the only remaining bits of Lost Woods are inside the Forest Grotto: the tunnels and basic looks prove that.

 

[Ganonsburg]

Okay, so in your deep wisdom, how did the Temple of Time end up where it is? As ruins? I can't think of a logical explanation for why it would be rebuilt next to the lost woods and then abandoned and left to ruin in 100 years.

Not to mention the Deku Scrub POPPED OUT OF THE GROUND. That makes no sense at all! Even less than the accelerated growth!

 

[zaneebaslave]

People can easily relocate a temple within 100 years. The temple of Time in TP wasnt ENTIRELY in ruin. Only some of the outside. It was almost perfectly in-tact.

And yes, I agree with you. It was strange that the Deku Sprout popped out of the ground. But just because it "popped" doesnt mean it grows unreasonably fast. My best guess is that since the Lost woods needed a new Deku Tree, it had to accelerate in growth temporarily. But I doubt it would continue to grow afterwards rapidly.

 

[Spire]

Literally, there is only one logical explanation for the Temple of Time's location in TP:

RETCON

Every other explanation is fan-fiction. The 'Kokiri = Monkey' argument is mostly based on evidence from the games. The Deku Sprout argument is still moot.

 

[zaneebaslave]

RETCON

Quite frankly, you could also say the exact same thing about the forest temple in TP. If the Forest temple is actually the "Deku sprout" like everyone's saying, then the only logical explaination for him growing so fast is... Retcon.

 

[Ganonsburg]

People can easily relocate a temple within 100 years. The temple of Time in TP wasnt ENTIRELY in ruin. Only some of the outside. It was almost perfectly in-tact.

And yes, I agree with you. It was strange that the Deku Sprout popped out of the ground. But just because it "popped" doesnt mean it grows unreasonably fast. My best guess is that since the Lost woods needed a new Deku Tree, it had to accelerate in growth temporarily. But I doubt it would continue to grow afterwards rapidly.

Okay, I can agree with your second statement. I was only posing the first question to point out the lack of....consistency, that LoZ has with many things.

But my point with it popping out of the ground (although I really agree with your statement) was that the tree may grow at irregular rates depending on the needs of the forest, Hyrule, and the Kokiri. Maybe it's possible that the tree was asked by the light spirits to hold onto the shadow piece, so it grew up faster in order to provide adequate protection. The piece attracted parasites and evil beasts, and the Kokiri had to leave. Being eaten from the inside out, the tree died likely left some seeds to the Kokiri to plant elsewhere.

His father had been asked to guard a precious stone to guard Hyrule, so it would make sense that the son would be asked to guard something similar.

Although that brings up the problem that the Twilit pieces were hidden long ago. Maybe the forest temple in TP is an older Deku Tree, from a game long before OoT.

 

[Skrlx]

Certain trees do, but do you honestly believe that a HUMONGOUS tree like the Deku trees are only a few hundred years old?

In a land of magic where simply putting water over a "seed" and sprout immediately into a decent sized plant, yes I do.

 

[Phantom7]

Okay, I can agree with your second statement. I was only posing the first question to point out the lack of....consistency, that LoZ has with many things.

But my point with it popping out of the ground (although I really agree with your statement) was that the tree may grow at irregular rates depending on the needs of the forest, Hyrule, and the Kokiri. Maybe it's possible that the tree was asked by the light spirits to hold onto the shadow piece, so it grew up faster in order to provide adequate protection. The piece attracted parasites and evil beasts, and the Kokiri had to leave. Being eaten from the inside out, the tree died likely left some seeds to the Kokiri to plant elsewhere.

His father had been asked to guard a precious stone to guard Hyrule, so it would make sense that the son would be asked to guard something similar.

Although that brings up the problem that the Twilit pieces were hidden long ago. Maybe the forest temple in TP is an older Deku Tree, from a game long before OoT.

I think this is pretty far-fetched, actually. We could sit and debate for pages and pages about how the Fused Shadows ended up where they did.

Regardless of how much time passed between OoT and TP, a good few hundred years is enough time for the Deku Sprout to grow, when it comes to small details in games like these. There are Deku emblems inside it, monkeys that resemble those in Termina dwell there, and it's a big freaking tree in the middle of the forest. It's bound to be related to the Deku Tree or the Sprout somehow.

 

[Ganonsburg]

The Fused Shadow ended up where they were because of the Light Spirits. They sealed the power away. If you need me to find it in game, I will.

 

[Spire]

The Fused Shadows are implied to have been hidden immediately after the Dark Interlopers were sealed in the Twilight Realm, but there's no proof of this. They could have been hidden anytime between MM and TP. Or on the contrary, they very well could have been hidden before OoT, but lied completely dormant until TP's time when a Deku Baba, Darbus, and an eel fell victim to their power. Seeing as how the Forest Temple is most likely the remains of either one or two Great Deku Trees, the Goron Mines the remains of the Fire Temple/Dodongo's Cavern, and the Lakebed Temple the transformed Water Temple, the Fused Shadows could have technically been in these locations during our visits circa OoT.

 

[theunabletable]

So the Great Deku is just... a 200/300 year old tree? Does that make Link only about 7 when he looks about 18? Hey, I guess erosion and mountains happen over only about 50 years too, on account that theres so many new cliffs and mountains everywhere.

No... No, that makes no sense. The Great Deku Tree DOESNT grow up in a hundred years. The Deku tree is probably somewhere else, and this dead tree took his place. Plain and simple.

What about 700-800 years PLUS the power of magic?

I don't think the developers of a series in which the characters worship a golden triangle that grants wishes care if the lifespan of a tree doesn't make complete sense.

 

[Phantom7]

I don't think the developers of a series in which the characters worship a golden triangle that grants wishes care if the lifespan of a tree doesn't make complete sense.

Exactly. Like I said, it's a very small detail, and there is plenty of other evidence present to conclude that the Forest Temple is the remains of either the Deku Tree or the Sprout -- like the Deku emblems, the Termina monkeys, and the simple fact that it's a huge freaking tree in the middle of the forest. I think the most plausible theory is that the area south of the chasm is the Deku Sprout, and the other half (or almost half) is possibly the remains of the Great Deku Tree.

This is off topic, but I just uploaded a new version of the OoT texture pack. You guys should check it out. Just click on it in my sig.

 

[zaneebaslave]

Then there's no debate. If you sit there and say that "durr durr time doesnt matter and lifespan of tree is only 100 years so obviously the forest temple is the Deku tree" then what is there to debate? Just because there's some symbols on the DOORS doesnt mean it's the same tree. If we are going that route, I didnt see any symbols on the doors in the Deku Tree in OoT. Did they just go in and carve them later on?

And if the Kokiri are these "monkeys", then who the heck is this?!

Is that Mido? Or one of the Know-it-all brothers? Mister pull-up-bush? In fact the only monkey that could possily be a Kokiri is that little girl monkey with the tatoo, but even then thats a little vague. If I remember correctly, there are several girl kokiris. But these monkeys, as I can tell, only have one female monkey: The one with the flower and tatoo. I guess they COULD be the Kokiri, but it's very doubful.

I dont mean to be nit-picky, I'm just trying to debate an otherwise debate-less debate.

 

[theunabletable]

If you sit there and say that "durr durr time doesnt matter and lifespan of tree is only 100 years so obviously the forest temple is the Deku tree" then what is there to debate?

Except it ISN'T only 100 years. It is SEVERAL hundred years. That could be up to like 900 years.

I have no problem believing that the tree could have grown that fast in this series.

 

[zaneebaslave]

I think that Miyamoto said that it was about 100 years. So... you know.

 

[Phantom7]

I think that Miyamoto said that it was about 100 years. So... you know.

In WW, though, it says several hundred, and I don't recall Miyamoto ever saying that. So if you provided an article or something, I'd be much more likely to agree with you.

Just because there's some symbols on the DOORS doesnt mean it's the same tree.

It's likely to be the same tree, though. What else could it be? Also, why does the tree have to be dead? I know he doesn't talk, but he could still be alive, anyway.

If we are going that route, I didnt see any symbols on the doors in the Deku Tree in OoT. Did they just go in and carve them later on?

You're thinking too deeply into this. It doesn't matter what the difference in the doors is at all. Basically, your argument here is "It can't be the same tree because the doors look different".

And if the Kokiri are these "monkeys", then who the heck is this?!
Is that Mido? Or one of the Know-it-all brothers? Mister pull-up-bush? In fact the only monkey that could possily be a Kokiri is that little girl monkey with the tatoo, but even then thats a little vague. If I remember correctly, there are several girl kokiris. But these monkeys, as I can tell, only have one female monkey: The one with the flower and tatoo. I guess they COULD be the Kokiri, but it's very doubful.

The Kokiri may have evolved, but that doesn't mean they're exactly the same characters as in OoT. However, I do support the theory that the mid-boos may be an incarnation Mido and the female monkey is Saria.

 

[zaneebaslave]

Female monkey is NOT saria because Saria is a Sage. So thats stupid.

Ok... so the Kokiri "evolved" into monkeys... And I'm reading too far into this because I noticed the doors... Thats kindof contradicting. Why would Mido become the Boss of the Kokiri? They all hated him. Plus, the giant monkey with the boomerang is named "Ook" not Mido. Why would he change his name to Ook when Mido was perfectly suitable?

I hate this crap about everything evolving in Zelda. The Rito are evolved zoras because there arent any zoras in Wind Waker, and so now monkeys are evolved from Kokiri because there arent any kokiri in TP. There is no evidence in any of this, and trying to prove it beyond the silly monkey tatoo is pretty silly.

 

[Spire]

Female monkey is NOT saria because Saria is a Sage. So thats stupid.

Ok... so the Kokiri "evolved" into monkeys... And I'm reading too far into this because I noticed the doors... Thats kindof contradicting. Why would Mido become the Boss of the Kokiri? They all hated him. Plus, the giant monkey with the boomerang is named "Ook" not Mido. Why would he change his name to Ook when Mido was perfectly suitable?

I hate this crap about everything evolving in Zelda. The Rito are evolved zoras because there arent any zoras in Wind Waker, and so now monkeys are evolved from Kokiri because there arent any kokiri in TP. There is no evidence in any of this, and trying to prove it beyond the silly monkey tatoo is pretty silly.

Firstly, Saria never became a sage in the Child Timeline, only in the Adult Timeline. Secondly, we see that Kokiri are not immortal due to the Kokiri Fado's spirit in Wind Waker. He was not around during OoT, and he's dead by the events of WW. I believe Ganondorf actually killed him, but this does not discount the fact that the Kokiri are not immortal. They may retain ageless child forms, but the fact that they transformed (over centuries) into the Koroks - none of which in WW share Kokiri names with anyone from OoT, further suggesting that they are entirely new beings - also supports their mortality.

Oh, and there is proof that the Rito are the evolved forms of the Zora:

We created the Rito as the evolved form of the Zora that appeared in "Ocarina of Time" and the Korogs as what the Kokiri became once they left the forest. They appear different, but they have inherited their blood.

http://forums.legendsalliance.com/topic/14202-translation-of-japanese-game-texts/page__view__findpost__p__444763

The Kokiri-Monkeys argument stems not just from TP, but from MM and their proximity to the Deku Scrubs and the Woods of Mystery. I've written it a million times, but I'll do so again:

OoT
Kokiri : Kokiri Forest :: Deku Scrubs : Lost Woods

MM
Deku Scrubs : Deku Palace :: Kokiri (monkeys) : Woods of Mystery

Remember, Hyrule and Termina are opposite lands. In Hyrule, the Kokiri live in their own village and the Deku Scrubs live in the wild, Lost Woods. In Termina, the Deku Scrubs live in their own village and the Kokiri (monkeys) live in the wild, Woods of Mystery. In Hyrule, the Kokiri have a Deku Tree to watch over and protect them, hence, why they are able to live in peace and in their sensitive human forms. In Termina, they have no guardian, so they assume the forms of monkeys to adapt and survive within the wilds. It is not evolution, it is natural magic.

Look at the two forest-dwelling species like this: the Deku Scrubs will always retain their form because they have naturally spawned from the world as wooden, bush people. The Kokiri are truly forest spirits that can assume different forms to adapt to their current lifestyles, yet their transformation is an act of fate, not of will - at least not of their own. The Deku Tree in WW obviously transformed them into the Koroks so that they could survive in the windy world of the Great Sea; hollow in body, and able to float through the currents. The forest region in TP - currently known as the Faron Woods - is overgrown and with no living forest guardian such as the Deku Tree, it has all become wilds. The forest spirits (formerly known as the Kokiri) have now assumed the forms of monkeys (perhaps even their natural, wild forms) just as they had been depicted in Termina to survive in the wild forests.

 

[Phantom7]

For those who believe in Zelda evolution: I just realized that if you believe that the Kokiri, Zoras, etc. evolved within the time span a few hundred years, it's contradictory to say that the Deku Sprout could not have grown in the same amount of time.

Also remember that enough time passes between OoT and WW/TP for Hyrule to completely flood and for new civilizations to begin on the remaining islands. I think it makes perfect sense that the Deku Sprout is dead.

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

Is it not possible that the monkeys from MM came through the portal from terminia to hyrule to start inhabeting the forest? So my theory on the kokiris evolution is that when the kokiris decided it was time to leave the forest, all of them exept mido ,saria, and possably another wise kokiri. stayed in the forest unlike the others who thought it would be ok to leave scince link did. But the other 3 knew that there was something different about link, he wasnt like them so they possably stayed to live the rest of there days with there knew neighbours the terminian monkeys hence evolved like them over many years).

So the kokiri who left the forest probably got lost in the lost woods therefore becoming skullkids. Now the 2 monkeys that help link in the temple are a girl and a boy, I have reason to belive that the girl is saria and the other is anyother kokiri than mido ( to prove this theory)but my very faint proofe that these are the only kokiri monkeys are that they simpaly help link, you dont see the other monkeys helping him do you? so these 2 probably recognise him as the link they once knew who left the forest so they want to help him. wich also proves why ook attackes him because he also recognises him as the OoT link because mido never liked link.

Now as for mido being ook, I have 2 theorys for that aswell, one is the most farfetched and that is that mido being the obnoctious leader he is, decides that he should become the boss of all of them. Then getting the name ook, now ook might stand for something O.O.K = something like oracle of kokiri? the other theory is that only 2 kokiri stayed to live with the terminian monkeys mido and saria. This in my opinion is a better theory, the boss ook might have been the leader of the terminian monkeys because you dont see any boss of the monkeys in MM do you? so he might have lead them over to hyrule, and was kind enough to let the 2 kokiri stay with them.

Another theory I came up with is that the ordin villagers are the kokiri who left the forest, they simply grew up like they were supposed to. Makes scence to me.:D

 

[Phantom7]

Is it not possible that the monkeys from MM came through the portal from terminia to hyrule to start inhabeting the forest? So my theory on the kokiris evolution is that when the kokiris decided it was time to leave the forest, all of them exept mido ,saria, and possably another wise kokiri. stayed in the forest unlike the others who thought it would be ok to leave scince link did. But the other 3 knew that there was something different about link, he wasnt like them so they possably stayed to live the rest of there days with there knew neighbours the terminian monkeys hence evolved like them over many years).

So the kokiri who left the forest probably got lost in the lost woods therefore becoming skullkids. Now the 2 monkeys that help link in the temple are a girl and a boy, I have reason to belive that the girl is saria and the other is anyother kokiri than mido ( to prove this theory)but my very faint proofe that these are the only kokiri monkeys are that they simpaly help link, you dont see the other monkeys helping him do you? so these 2 probably recognise him as the link they once knew who left the forest so they want to help him. wich also proves why ook attackes him because he also recognises him as the OoT link because mido never liked link.

Now as for mido being ook, I have 2 theorys for that aswell, one is the most farfetched and that is that mido being the obnoctious leader he is, decides that he should become the boss of all of them. Then getting the name ook, now ook might stand for something O.O.K = something like oracle of kokiri? the other theory is that only 2 kokiri stayed to live with the terminian monkeys mido and saria. This in my opinion is a better theory, the boss ook might have been the leader of the terminian monkeys because you dont see any boss of the monkeys in MM do you? so he might have lead them over to hyrule, and was kind enough to let the 2 kokiri stay with them.

Another theory I came up with is that the ordin villagers are the kokiri who left the forest, they simply grew up like they were supposed to. Makes scence to me.:D

Actually, the Kokiri evolved into monkeys for two reasons: A) They evolved into Koroks in the parallel timeline, and B) to adapt to the overgrown forested region (like the Koroks adapted to the Great Sea by developing hovering abilities and becoming light and hollow).