Official 4BR Tier List V3 - Competitive Insight & Analysis

[|RK|]

HOO-HAH LIVES!!

Still think Diddy is better than Bayonetta. He's been winning everything, and ZeRo still plays him. How's Diddy not #1?

So, first, ZeRo has won the last two tournaments this season. Not everything.

Second ZeRo's skill doesn't mean his character is #1.

 

[Trunks159]

So, first, ZeRo has won the last two tournaments this season. Not everything.

Second ZeRo's skill doesn't mean his character is #1.

I think he knows that.
Probably a sarcastic comment.

 

[Nu~]

I think he knows that.
Probably a sarcastic comment.

Well...he's a super big DK fan and has done this before.

Probably just enthusiasm

 

[krazySyko]

Shine 2017 (August 25th-27th) (New England) (659 Entrants) (Category 5)

Spoiler: Dubai Dojo 2 (August 25th-26th) (United Arab Emirates) (101 Entrants) (Category 2)

1st: KEN
2nd: 9B
3rd: T
4th: Edge
5th: HIKARU
5th: Earth ,
7th: Ranai
7th: Ron ,

Earth also used in at least 1 set he won, against Snick, a Bayo. Not that it's THAT important but any point is a noticeable increase from 2.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTWEt3credw (looks like it was on stream but the video was just posted today).

 

[Lord Dio]

So apparently Fatality played at least a set with Ness at a Typo tournament yesterday. Nothing too important, just throwing this out there because it's weirdly itneresting.

 

[TDK]

A couple of West Side saga updates:

- Konga has been fully funded.
- Vegas Carpool 1 (Z , Vash , FOW , Ven Pollo , and Snoop ) has been fully funded.

They're also really close to fully funding Team Japan.

 

[freeziebeatz]

Hey guys, later today Das Koopa will be making a post on reddit about OrionRank. Today I wanted to post the weighted averages we use to score players. This may give a better idea of a players consistency as well as how well characters may perform across the board. The lower the number, the better the average. The time period is between Post ZeRo Saga to Shine 2017.

Spoiler: Below 10

ZeRo 4.38
Nairo 5.92
Dabuz 6.02
Mr.R 6.25
Shuton 6.25
Trela 6.92
Salem 7.25
Choco 7.34
KEN 7.46
Marss 7.74
Hiro 7.75
Mistake 7.85
MKLeo 8.19
VoiD 8.40
9B 8.65
Ito 8.71
WaDi 8.93
komorikiri 8.95
Glutonny 8.96
Larry Lurr 9.72
ESAM 9.79

Spoiler: 10-15

HyperKirby 10.06
Ally 10.17
Peabnut 10.25
Light 10.39
Big D 10.40
Kirihara 10.41
Wrath 10.45
Tweek 10.81
quiK 10.97
Kuma 11.14
Chag 11.18
Angel Cortes 11.30
Fatality 11.40
CaptainZack 11.54
Edge 11.79
Zinoto 11.85
Abadango 11.86
6WX 12.64
Manny 12.93
Elexiao 13.00
Ranai 13.22
HIKARU 14.00
dekillsage 14.05
Headshot 14.07
ANTi 14.11
MJG 14.14
WormyNugget 14.14
Masha 14.21
IxisNaugis 14.25
MattyG 14.65
LordMix 14.72
Elegant 14.82
Deluxemenu 14.83
MVD 14.90

Spoiler: 15-20

ScAtt 15.04
Javi 15.06
ikep 15.10
DarkAura 15.22
Rizeasu 15.31
Child 15.32
Zenyou 15.47
Blacktwins 15.75
Saiki 15.81
Lima 16.23
Samsora 16.31
Cashmere 16.50
Kameme 16.78
TheReflexWonder 16.83
NameLess 16.92
Shoyo James 16.94
Raito 17.09
Earth 17.42
Myran 17.60
Shaky 17.64
John Numbers 17.75
Raffi-X 17.76
Koolaid 18.00
Some 18.09
Cosmos 18.19
Locus 18.19
dyr 18.22
Ryuga 18.33
Kome 18.39
Tsu- 18.53
Pugwest 19.08
Frozen 19.21
Karna 19.22
falln 19.25
Nietono 19.56
Dunkmaster Ragna 19.63
iStudying 19.63
yeti 19.71
DarkShad 19.79
SuperGirlKels 19.87

Spoiler: 20-25

DandyPenguin 20.20
Mr.E 20.32
Twi 20.41
Viviff T. Great 20.55
Legit 20.90
RoguePenguin 20.95
Salt One 21.17
Smasher1001 21.20
Gungnir 21.25
NAKAT 21.27
Sinji 21.30
S1 21.40
tyroy 21.46
The Great Gonzales 22.07
Ned 22.08
Kodystri 22.43
Lea 22.59
Kisha 22.64
Suinoko 22.71
Ryo 22.72
Wraith 22.75
Konga 23.15
Chaos 23.20
Rideae 23.23
Seth 23.28
Donquavious 23.44
Deathorse 23.50
THUNDER 23.84
Sharpyzard 24.06
Eldin 24.25
k9sbruce 24.48
T 24.50
Venom 24.59
You3 24.61
LingLing 24.67
KDK 24.75
JK 24.84

Spoiler: 25-30

Sonix 25.00
Craftis 25.02
Biddy 25.22
Rich Brown 25.31
KOSSismoss 25.36
Cacogen 25.38
Captain L 25.60
DSS 25.71
Ralphie 25.91
Nicko 26.20
Kare~ 26.50
Aperture 26.58
Black Yoshi 26.60
WiiASE 26.63
DJ Fliphop 26.79
Seagull Joe 27.10
Vinnie 27.34
Regi Shikimi 27.50
IC 28.21
Mew2King 28.25
Chanshu 28.27
Luhtie 28.81
8BitMan 28.91
Xzax 28.92
Mute Ace 29.39
FuTure 29.50
RFang 29.58
Rival 29.60
Oisiitofu 29.66
Ac 29.73
False 29.75

Spoiler: 30-50

Charliedaking 30.29
Blank 30.34
JJROCKETS 30.38
Chavo 30.50
Tyrant 30.61
colinies 30.70
Barakas 30.81
Apa~ 30.83
Pink Fresh 30.96
takera 31.06
3xA 31.35
Xaltis 31.38
saj 31.45
Vivid 31.56
Nyanko 31.75
MrConCon 31.81
Dath 31.85
Dark Wizzy 32.08
FILIP 32.14
Ross 32.19
Mekos 32.23
FOW 32.25
SS 32.35
Eon 32.43
Bedgar 32.67
ImHip 32.81
Brood 32.96
Shel 33.43
Skorpio 34.18
Kogarasuma 34.87
Eim 35.29
ZD 35.32
Rain 35.55
Braixen 35.95
Phoenix 36.00
Aarvark 36.05
IcyMist 36.13
Sonido 36.83
Pichi 36.94
Remzi 37.00
Stroder 37.15
BestNess 37.50
Seibrik 37.58
Razo 37.90
Sells 38.58
Paru 38.65
Jan 39.31
Day 39.48
Dom 39.50
Rango 39.67
IceArrow 39.75
Tosshi 39.85
Diablo 40.17
WonderBread 40.35
Mr.Speedman 40.38
Repo 40.56
Bankai 40.59
aMSa 40.81
Ri-ma 41.04
AeroLink 41.05
Ke-ya 43.15
ewok 43.19
Lazybordem 44.29
Zoan 44.63
Tumultus 44.94
PikPocket 45.36
Nanchan 45.63
Puppeh 45.93
NCJacobT 45.94
JaK 45.96
MF DOOM 46.25
Umeki 46.50
Lui$ 47.47
stilios 47.88
Jtails 48.33
Fwed 48.65
Jill 48.95
Heavy 49.00
Mumei 49.00
Stealthy 49.50
PiXL 49.63

Spoiler: 50+

KaPMk 50.21
Ghost 50.66
Player-1 50.72
Sol 52.14
Zan 52.20
Teb 52.30
Sukekokko 52.38
iTheta 52.85
ven 52.88
DKWill 52.90
Gen 53.69
NickRiddle 54.38
Felix 54.80
Zephyr 55.02
Zage 56.00
TonySherbert 56.11
Tengu 57.81
LeeT 59.00
Googs 59.97
Dainosuke 60.00
Hackoru 61.50
Calculus 61.85
Meteor 62.13
TLTC 62.16
Cyro 62.19
Brosinex 62.42
KidG 63.18
Ezreal 63.96
Phenom 65.00
Soulimar 65.96
Vash 66.28
Ookami 66.58
Horse 67.68
Bloodcross 71.46
Snoop 73.28
King Will 75.00
Lycan 77.00
Hide 81.00
SilentDoom 81.78
SoCalGohan 87.41
Ki 91.125
Z 116.64

 

[TDK]

Konga 2-1 Tweek

 

[|RK|]

Konga 2-0 Tweek

2-1. Konga is godlike, oml

 

[Diddy Kong]

I think he knows that.
Probably a sarcastic comment.

Well...he's a super big DK fan and has done this before.

Probably just enthusiasm

Both of this honestly.

In all honestly, Cloud and Bayo are probably a little better.

 

[Envoy of Chaos]

So apparently Fatality played at least a set with Ness at a Typo tournament yesterday. Nothing too important, just throwing this out there because it's weirdly itneresting.

He said he was picking Ness up for Dubs, likely was using him to practice even in singles.

I could see him liking Ness, being such a read heavy player who in explosive in advantage that's what Ness is great at. And he's already use to using a character that has a less than stellar disadvantage so it's not foreign to him. I see this project working very well for him. Would be exciting to see more of it

 

[Das Koopa]

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...rank_late_summer_2017_announcement_honorable/

https://intheloop837.wordpress.com/...r-top-50-announcement-and-honorable-mentions/

OrionRank Late Summer stuff begins.

 

[TDK]

https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...rank_late_summer_2017_announcement_honorable/

https://intheloop837.wordpress.com/...r-top-50-announcement-and-honorable-mentions/

OrionRank Late Summer stuff begins.

This is going to help me get through the first week of school so much. Thank you.

Also, Konga 2-1 VoiD

 

[Game7a1]

Konga 2-1 VoiD
Not sure what prompted the ZSS switch from VoiD. But hey, we'll likely see Konga in the 10-man bracket later.
EDIT: Ninja'd.

 

[PK Bash]

Fatality's Ness is an exciting prospect for the reasons Envoy of Chaos mentioned, but it's nothing too crazy just yet, needs to iron out a few kinks and he is clearly still getting a feel for the character. What's slightly more interesting is that Fatality picked him up for doubles instead of Cloud. Certainly an interesting decision. Ness is pretty decent in doubles and shines when playing Support, which Fatality seems to recognise, so I'm looking forward to seeing where he'll take the character.

 

[TDK]

ANTi 2-1 MKLeo

 

[Skeeter Mania]

ANTi 2-1 MKLeo

From what tourney is that set from?

 

[Wintermelon43]

From what tourney is that set from?

I'm pretty sure it's PAX West

 

[TDK]

Captain Zack 2-1 MKLeo

MKLeo hasn't won a set in this round robin yet.

 

[Ziodyne 21]

I wonder why MKLeo seems to flat out refuse to use his Cloud against any top Bayo main.

Honestly I think Cloud does the best vs Bayo among all the characters he uses.


Also Nairo reminds us rage ZSS can be completely mental in case we forgot..

 

[The-Technique]

I wonder why MKLeo seems to flat out refuse to use his Cloud against any top Bayo main.

Honestly I think Cloud does the best vs Bayo among all the characters he uses.

It's Corrin and Marth that have recently netted him all the big wins on top Bayos, that's probably why.

 

[TDK]

Nairo 2-0 MKLeo

It's round robin, but MKLeo is currently 0-3.

Stream: https://www.twitch.tv/paxarena

 

[The-Technique]

Nairo 2-0 MKLeo

It's round robin, but MKLeo is currently 0-3.

Stream: https://www.twitch.tv/paxarena

MK Leo mentioned being nervous on twitter, its a shame he won't be able to play at top form this time around.

 

[ARGHETH]

MKLeo 2-1 KOSSismoss, and a two stock game 3.
Leo played significantly better game 3, he might make a loser's run.

 

[The-Technique]

"I will never lose to Nairo's Diddy again." ---Salem 2017

:^)

 

[TDK]

So on monday (yes), here's what the final PAX bracket will look like:

Winners:
Salem vs Larry Lurr , winner plays ZeRo
Ally vs ANTi , winner plays Nairo

Losers:
Captain Zack vs VoiD
Konga vs MKLeo

Tweek and KOSSismoss placed 11th.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Konga vs MKLeo

*nervous sweating*

 

[Nathan Richardson]

And I'm back!
"Noone cares!"
Well soooooorry! Anyways what are everyone's predictions on this?
Which look like easy wins, volatile, otherwise?
I'm asking because this board almost up and died.

 

[ARISTOS]

And I'm back!
"Noone cares!"
Well soooooorry! Anyways what are everyone's predictions on this?
Which look like easy wins, volatile, otherwise?
I'm asking because this board almost up and died.

My predictions:

Salem > Larry
AIly > ANTi

VoiD > Zack
Konga > MKLeo

then

ZeRo > Salem
Nairo > Ally

 

[TDK]

Tsu- , KEN , Kirihara , Shuton , and T have been fully funded for West Side Saga!

 

[Nathan Richardson]

Konga > MKLeo

Excuse my ignorance but how does Konga win the MU? I'm just curious. Your reasoning?

 

[Lord Dio]

lowkey hoping Konga beats Leo but knowing it likely won't happen.

 

[Illusion.]

Excuse my ignorance but how does Konga win the MU? I'm just curious. Your reasoning?

I'm assuming the prediction is based on Leo's DK problem

 

[Nah]

idk if it's so much at Leo has a DK problem than that DK just does well vs most swordies

not saying that he couldn't have a DK problem, just that there could be other reasons/that might not be the only reason why Konga could beat him in their upcoming set

 

[Skeeter Mania]

idk if it's so much at Leo has a DK problem than that DK just does well vs most swordies

not saying that he couldn't have a DK problem, just that there could be other reasons/that might not be the only reason why Konga could beat him in their upcoming set

It may be a superheavy problem. Recall that he also lost to Nairo's Bowser at SSC.

 

[Nu~]

It may be a superheavy problem. Recall that he also lost to Nairo's Bowser at SSC.

I think superheavies in general do well vs swordies in this game

 

[Lord Dio]

Is PAX being counted for OrionRank and the PGR? It's being counted for Cloudhead, but it doesn't feel right to count a 12 player invitational for these things, especially Cloudhead as it affects multiple player standings.

 

[NINTENDO Galaxy]

I heard during the stream it was being counted for the PGR, I never heard of Cloudhead; what is that?

 

[|RK|]

I heard during the stream it was being counted for the PGR, I never heard of Cloudhead; what is that?

Cloudhead is a data-based ranking system that updates after every event. So you can see how players are progressing over time.

 

[TDK]

I think superheavies in general do well vs swordies in this game

Funny you say that...

The Marth MU chart, sorry for the wait ☹ im working on the anothers 😄 pic.twitter.com/BWkj0hegOh

— LG | MkLeo (@Mkleosb) September 3, 2017

MKLeo posted his marth matchup chart. This seems a lot more... negative? than I thought. Maybe it's just that about half the cast seems to go even with Marth. Also, is Bowser actually Marth's worst matchup or is that just a Leo thing?