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Official 4BR Tier List V3 - Competitive Insight & Analysis
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The-Technique
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Nothing to do with Bayo, but I was wondering what you thought of the most recent set between MK Leo and Mr. R. What exactly does Mr. R do wrong that causes him to lose, as opposed to VoiD who has a much better record versus Leo's Marth?
FeelMeUp
Smash Lord
Playing against Marth as if he doesn't have a sword.
Approaching too much and not using needle charges to make Marth come in.
Too much shield.
Not being spaced at a distance that allows you to outspace tipper fair, nair and jab while still giving you an opportunity to whiff punish with boost grab and rising fair.
Trying to go for fraudulent combos that don't actually work on Marth(can't ftilt>pp utilt or reliably double ftilt at a lot of percents, for example)
Not using crossup roll enough.
Overall mediocre to bad landing options.
Not very good at comboing Marth at all(his ledgetrapping slightly makes up for it, though).
Too much jumping.
Small changes like this go a long way in the Sheik vs Swordie matchups.
NairWizard
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Of course Bayos are losing to Little Mac. They're relying too hard on their advantage state.
Salem is the only Bayo who plays neutral like Bayo is supposed to play neutral.
If I see Salem lose to a Little Mac in best of 3 I'll eat my shoe. And a few buttons on my coat.
Salem is the only Bayo who plays neutral like Bayo is supposed to play neutral.
If I see Salem lose to a Little Mac in best of 3 I'll eat my shoe. And a few buttons on my coat.
Minordeth
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This. I'll add a few things tho:
1.) Mac players, by necessity, are really good at anti-airing with Utilt, Usmash, and Up-B.
2.)Furthermore, all of Bayo's good approach or neutral tools are aerials, and none of them hit directly below her. Mac has the ground mobility to get under her and either power through whatever she throws with Usmash/Up-B, or stuff with Utilt.
3.)You see Bayo players counterpick Lylat to use the tilt to force approaches with her bullets. Mac has the ground mobility and burst damage to punish these attempts. You can see this in Chag vs Elvis, as Chag mistakenly thought he could camp out a bit. The other issue with Lylat is Mac can shark the platforms really well. It's not Battlefield.
4.) Mac can really, really punish Bayo's landing lag.
jet56
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Bayo's play the Mu wrong against mac. The character relies on the other player hitting buttons and duffing them for it.
When a bayo decides to land with an aerial against the rest of the roster, she trades or wins.
When a bayo decides to land with an aerial against little mac, she eats a smash.
Little mac straight up loses to defensive play and straight up beats offensive play. It's why he will always be relevant but not consistent.
When a bayo decides to land with an aerial against the rest of the roster, she trades or wins.
When a bayo decides to land with an aerial against little mac, she eats a smash.
Little mac straight up loses to defensive play and straight up beats offensive play. It's why he will always be relevant but not consistent.
Bowserboy3
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Question to all,
If Bayonetta were to Witch Time somebody who has their respawn invincibility, is that respawn invincibility time increased because of the slowdown or is it still the normal 2 seconds?
I have my weekly tonight, and there's a rather arrogant, aggressive player attending who really grinds my gears.
Let's just say I have some ideas with the top Battlefield platform
If Bayonetta were to Witch Time somebody who has their respawn invincibility, is that respawn invincibility time increased because of the slowdown or is it still the normal 2 seconds?
I have my weekly tonight, and there's a rather arrogant, aggressive player attending who really grinds my gears.
Let's just say I have some ideas with the top Battlefield platform
Bowserboy3
Asking mum how to talk to a lady
Good to note, thanks for that. I was unsure because I know that roll, spotdodge and airdodge intangibility time is increased to match where it should be in the animation. Wasn't sure whether this was the same for the respawn invincibility.
Yeah, I know for sure it's not something that can be abused, but it's something I'd love to get on this person in particular lol.
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It's more likely than not a MU inexperience problem, but keeping in mind any MU to do with mac tends to focus *heavily* on stage you need to be observant of your ruleset when analysing a set outcome. Picking one incorrect stage or losing game 1 vs winning it could have gigantic consequences.
And in this MU I assume Mac really wants to avoid SV and BF in 5FLSS whilst Bayo only really wants to avoid FD? That means Mac *will* have to play on a very hard stage, so I feel like theoretically Bayo should be abusing that - I wonder what the bayos have been picking to in these sets?
Of course the game is more dynamic than this at the end of the day but it's definitely important to think about.
And in this MU I assume Mac really wants to avoid SV and BF in 5FLSS whilst Bayo only really wants to avoid FD? That means Mac *will* have to play on a very hard stage, so I feel like theoretically Bayo should be abusing that - I wonder what the bayos have been picking to in these sets?
Of course the game is more dynamic than this at the end of the day but it's definitely important to think about.
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If it is a roll, or spotdodge, or a move with invincibility frames, they are slowed down.
Can I share random observations I just made, despite better players obviously being aware?
After seeing Kid Viper (top GG player) tell ANTi to walk as Bayonetta, I just realized that walking is good for the exact same reason I prefer Kirby's recovery to Lucarios (and why Fox's lightning quick movements get punished so often). Fine movement control is less predictable.
We talk pretty often about burst options and how good they are, but using Diddy's Monkey Flip as an example (for the 19th time this week), the reason it gets punished is because there's very little fine control of it. The moment some burst starts, you know exactly where it's going, so you learn to predict it.
Even if it's not an option as fast as, say, Falcon's dash grab, it still works out the same way. Slower moves though aren't just predictable - they also give opponents the option to react on autopilot.
I call the MK MU pivot grab practice for that purpose. He's all about burst movement, and gets little out of walking around.
Tl;dr - you all probably already know this, fine control of movement is godlike.
After seeing Kid Viper (top GG player) tell ANTi to walk as Bayonetta, I just realized that walking is good for the exact same reason I prefer Kirby's recovery to Lucarios (and why Fox's lightning quick movements get punished so often). Fine movement control is less predictable.
We talk pretty often about burst options and how good they are, but using Diddy's Monkey Flip as an example (for the 19th time this week), the reason it gets punished is because there's very little fine control of it. The moment some burst starts, you know exactly where it's going, so you learn to predict it.
Even if it's not an option as fast as, say, Falcon's dash grab, it still works out the same way. Slower moves though aren't just predictable - they also give opponents the option to react on autopilot.
I call the MK MU pivot grab practice for that purpose. He's all about burst movement, and gets little out of walking around.
Tl;dr - you all probably already know this, fine control of movement is godlike.
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To add that, is it fair to say that mac most of Mac's mu he operates like he's fighting bayo? Most players hate the bayo mu because they have to slow down and be more patient and be defensive . For mac that requirement is virtually universal.
I will say if mac takes the first stock vs a bayo it's REALLY bad for the bayo player.
At minimum, I'd have to argue Mac doesn't lose as hard to Bayo as previously thought. Thing is, if the opponent has to play in a certain way to beat you, you have limited their options in some way.
Doesn't mean you win, but you can't be completely free.
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Guys like ninjalink have been saying mac beats bayo for ages. Characters win or lose mu based on available options vs a specific character. Bayo does lose a few options which isn't normal for her. But it's too early to say it's a losing mu but it feels like it could become very close like the fox mu has very somewhat similar reasons
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Bayo still wins the mu against mac. She does have a win condition against him.
It's called camping with her ridiculous mobility and bullets in the air.
Also keep in mind a smash attack can be baited out and then punished by bayo.
From my experience, people on some level refuse to camp or play beyond passively against mac for a number of reasons but the biggest one seems to be this:
On some level, they think they are submitting to a easy tactic and are admitting to themselves that they cannot beat a low tier character unless they camp, and that they can't beat mac straight up.
This actually bothers people, cause it would wound their pride I guess to have to resort to super defensive play to beat a low tier. It's a mentality a lot of people have, having witnessed it myself in my own matches and the matches I have seen from others.
Little mac honestly counters players, not characters.
It's called camping with her ridiculous mobility and bullets in the air.
Also keep in mind a smash attack can be baited out and then punished by bayo.
From my experience, people on some level refuse to camp or play beyond passively against mac for a number of reasons but the biggest one seems to be this:
On some level, they think they are submitting to a easy tactic and are admitting to themselves that they cannot beat a low tier character unless they camp, and that they can't beat mac straight up.
This actually bothers people, cause it would wound their pride I guess to have to resort to super defensive play to beat a low tier. It's a mentality a lot of people have, having witnessed it myself in my own matches and the matches I have seen from others.
Little mac honestly counters players, not characters.
If you don't have the balls to camp because "lol pride" or people don't like it, don't ever come over here and cry about characters you can't beat for some reason. Play to win. If people don't like you for it, that's good because that means your doing something right. There's a reason why Salem is s best Bayo and not Zack or Mistake.
I'm probably 1 of the more aggro Pac's and even I know when its time to start running down the clock.
People can't be Scared to play the match-up correctly
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I'm probably 1 of the more aggro Pac's and even I know when its time to start running down the clock.
People can't be Scared to play the match-up correctly
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TDK
Smash Master
Chanshu 
has been confirmed for SCR saga.
has been confirmed for SCR saga.
Jaguar360
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Gonna do a brief overview of the notable players Super Smash Con pools now that they're finalized. There's a lot more going on than there was in EVO round 1 pools, though there are still a good amount that aren't really interesting:
Salem , ADHD , Squerk , Pipp
Volatility: low
, ADHD , Squerk , Pipp Volatility: low
Dath , Black Yoshi , Nom , Bryce , Naranja
Volatility: High
, Black Yoshi , Nom , Bryce , Naranja Volatility: High
Shoyo James , Blank , Rython
Volatility: Medium
, Blank , Rython Volatility: Medium
ESAM , Doraz , AceStarThe3rd
Volatility: Low
, Doraz , AceStarThe3rd Volatility: Low
VoiD , MrRyanNess , Pootietang
Volatility: Low
, MrRyanNess , Pootietang Volatility: Low
6WX , Kiki , JeBB , Nicklecat , Winks
Volatility: Medium
, Kiki , JeBB , Nicklecat , Winks Volatility: Medium
Vinnie , JILL , Z8 , Wawa Peach , Meekspeedy
Volatility: Medium
, JILL , Z8 , Wawa Peach , Meekspeedy Volatility: Medium
NAKAT , Red Berpo , Gains
Volatility: Low
, Red Berpo , Gains Volatility: Low
Komorikiri , Ralphie , Ferf , Poyo
Volatility: Medium
, Ralphie , Ferf , Poyo Volatility: Medium
SuperGirlKels , RiotLettuce , BONK! , Khat
Volatility: Low
, RiotLettuce , BONK! , Khat Volatility: Low
Ryuga , Max Ketchum , TruBlu , DanTheMan
Volatiliy: Low
, Max Ketchum , TruBlu , DanTheMan Volatiliy: Low
CaptainZack , Juice , Xerom
Volatility: Low
, Juice , Xerom Volatility: Low
ZeRo , Stretch , Ketsen , Upchuckle , Cowhunter
Volatility: Low
, Stretch , Ketsen , Upchuckle , Cowhunter Volatility: Low
Cashmere , JJROCKETS , Zebra , Slayonetta , JetKick
Volatility: Medium
, JJROCKETS , Zebra , Slayonetta , JetKick Volatility: Medium
8BitMan , Tension , Rishi , BugCatcherWill
Volatility: Medium
, Tension , Rishi , BugCatcherWill Volatility: Medium
Sonido , Dandy Penguin , Lightshad
Volatility: Medium
, Dandy Penguin , Lightshad Volatility: Medium
Light , Promaelia , Lunchables , G-Rain
Volatility: Medium
, Promaelia , Lunchables , G-Rain Volatility: Medium
Fatality , Vivid (Supposedly officially dropped Corrin), Hammer , Tony Guava , Duffy , Van
Volatility: Medium
, Vivid (Supposedly officially dropped Corrin), Hammer , Tony Guava , Duffy , Van Volatility: Medium
Rich Brown , Dill , Aiba , Miloni , Elu , Wolf
Volatility: High
, Dill , Aiba , Miloni , Elu , Wolf Volatility: High
DSS , Zoan , Kresent , Bloodcross , Colinies
Volatility: High
, Zoan , Kresent , Bloodcross , Colinies Volatility: High
RFang , DJ Jack , Darkblues , Edwin , Horse , Kasper
Volatility: High
, DJ Jack , Darkblues , Edwin , Horse , Kasper Volatility: High
Cosmos , Sol , Jams , Nature , Cinnpie
Volatility: Medium
, Sol , Jams , Nature , Cinnpie Volatility: Medium
ZD , Rideae , Jimmy , Suar
Volatility: Medium
, Rideae , Jimmy , Suar Volatility: Medium
Peabnut , Rags , Aceto , Port
Volatility: Medium
, Rags , Aceto , Port Volatility: Medium
Remzi , Wonderbread , Deven3000 , bsquared , Crazycolorz5 , Midnight
Volatility: High
, Wonderbread , Deven3000 , bsquared , Crazycolorz5 , Midnight Volatility: High
Locus , Hackoru , Freelancer Leo , CC
Volatility: Medium
, Hackoru , Freelancer Leo , CC Volatility: Medium
Mr. E , Mav , Hart , Twox
Volatility: Low
, Mav , Hart , Twox Volatility: Low
saj. , Lycan , Infinity , GwJ
Volatility: Medium
, Lycan , Infinity , GwJ Volatility: Medium
Xaltis , Oatmeal , Puppeh , Mystearica , Diamond
Volatility: Medium
, Oatmeal , Puppeh , Mystearica , Diamond Volatility: Medium
MVD , Archy , Osiris197
Volatility: Low
, Archy , Osiris197 Volatility: Low
Abadango , Sync , F.O.E. , Moser
Volatility: Low
, Sync , F.O.E. , Moser Volatility: Low
Tweek , Gen , Mugi , Shadow , Dingus Joe , PHaZeX3R0
Volatility: Medium
, Gen , Mugi , Shadow , Dingus Joe , PHaZeX3R0 Volatility: Medium
Ned , Querty , Hungrybox , Roxas
Volatility: Low
, Querty , Hungrybox , Roxas Volatility: Low
Kameme , Redeemer Z , Coldweatherr , Thunderz
Volatility: Low
, Redeemer Z , Coldweatherr , Thunderz Volatility: Low
Craftis , Zephyr , Ke-ya
Volatility: Medium
, Zephyr , Ke-ya Volatility: Medium
The Great Gonzales , Seth , Manzano , Karinole , Skance
Volatility: High
, Seth , Manzano , Karinole , Skance Volatility: High
JK , MattyG , Saber , Hiro , Anima
Volatility: Low
, MattyG , Saber , Hiro , Anima Volatility: Low
Ally , Squidboy , Aqua , Draxsel , Disgaea
Volatility: Low
, Squidboy , Aqua , Draxsel , Disgaea Volatility: Low
Nairo , SETHsational , Fahrenheit , Lv^Ludo
Volatility: Low
, SETHsational , Fahrenheit , Lv^Ludo Volatility: Low
Mr. R , Ten , Iota , Son , The Real Mr. M
Volatility: Low
, Ten , Iota , Son , The Real Mr. M Volatility: Low
Ryo , Smasher1001 , Vash , BlaiseAgain , Literal Bacon
Volatility: Medium
, Smasher1001 , Vash , BlaiseAgain , Literal Bacon Volatility: Medium
Frozen , Parappa , Kam Steele , Xion , VikkiKitty
Volatility: Medium
, Parappa , Kam Steele , Xion , VikkiKitty Volatility: Medium
Dabuz , Lee , Cagt , Muj
Volatility: Low
, Lee , Cagt , Muj Volatility: Low
Mute Ace , Biddy , LeeT , Jdawg , StylesX2
Volatility: Medium
, Biddy , LeeT , Jdawg , StylesX2 Volatility: Medium
tyroy , Donquavious , Pelca , Sparky #25
Volatility: Medium
, Donquavious , Pelca , Sparky #25 Volatility: Medium
Nicko , Raptor , Riz , Arch , ChuDat
, Raptor , Riz , Arch , ChuDat Zinoto , iModerz , Kiwi , Bloodynite , Pazda
Volatility: Low
, iModerz , Kiwi , Bloodynite , Pazda Volatility: Low
Manny , THUNDER , Spirunk , Minix , Ninja
Volatility: Low
, THUNDER , Spirunk , Minix , Ninja Volatility: Low
Darkshad , Dark Wizzy , BC Luck , Shadow_PR , Mega
Volatility: High
, Dark Wizzy , BC Luck , Shadow_PR , Mega Volatility: High
Seagull Joe , dekillsage , Unknown , Rickles , ARS3
Volatility: Medium
, dekillsage , Unknown , Rickles , ARS3 Volatility: Medium
Larry Lurr , Bankai , Ak8s , Hex , MS. SAYIAN
Volatility: Low
, Bankai , Ak8s , Hex , MS. SAYIAN Volatility: Low
Mistake , Ash23 , Winds , Sect , The Cheese
Volatility: Low
, Ash23 , Winds , Sect , The Cheese Volatility: Low
Pink Fresh , LazyBoredom , Onpu , Player-1 , BOW
Volatility: High
, LazyBoredom , Onpu , Player-1 , BOW Volatility: High
Aarvark , Dexter , cFive , Dapuffster
Volatility: Medium
, Dexter , cFive , Dapuffster Volatility: Medium
Sinji , Zeta , Jayy , DK DAN , El Chapo , poKevSim
Volatility: Medium
, Zeta , Jayy , DK DAN , El Chapo , poKevSim Volatility: Medium
IcyMist , pu55yk1ng , Mlarcin , Dante , Suzu
Volatility: Low
, pu55yk1ng , Mlarcin , Dante , Suzu Volatility: Low
falln , P2P w/ Gibus , BB , King James , Midas , boosk
Volatility: Medium
, P2P w/ Gibus , BB , King James , Midas , boosk Volatility: Medium
MKLeo , Viceroy , Nurse , Dainosuke , Law
Volatility: Low
, Viceroy , Nurse , Dainosuke , Law Volatility: Low
Luhtie , Legit , Quilly , Brand , CORONA17 , Fos Prophit
Volatility: High
, Legit , Quilly , Brand , CORONA17 , Fos Prophit Volatility: High
WaDi , RoguePenguin , Zage , Nova , Jerm
Volatility: Medium
, RoguePenguin , Zage , Nova , Jerm Volatility: Medium
Xzax , BlazingPasta , Arhungry , vyQ
Volatility: High
, BlazingPasta , Arhungry , vyQ Volatility: High
Samsora , JaKaL , Sova Unknown , Dr. Copter , Waldo , Daybreak , Sheen
Volatility: High
, JaKaL , Sova Unknown , Dr. Copter , Waldo , Daybreak , Sheen Volatility: High
dyr , Blacktwins , Snakeee , McDareth
Volatility: Low
, Blacktwins , Snakeee , McDareth Volatility: Low
Konga , DKWill , Nameless , Scorch , Serynder , Zucchini
Volatility: High
, DKWill , Nameless , Scorch , Serynder , Zucchini Volatility: High
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TDK
Smash Master
You missed someone I'd consider notable in E205:Gonna do a brief overview of the notable players Super Smash Con pools now that they're finalized. There's a lot more going on than there was in EVO round 1 pools, though there are still a good amount that aren't really interesting:
Wave B:
Salem
Volatility: lowDath
Volatility: HighShoyo James
Volatility: MediumESAM
Volatility: LowVoiD
Volatility: Low6WX
Volatility: MediumVinnie
Volatility: MediumNAKAT
Volatility: LowKomorikiri
Volatility: MediumSuperGirlKels
Volatility: LowRyuga
Volatiliy: LowCaptainZack
Volatility: LowZeRo
Volatility: LowCashmere
Volatility: Medium8BitMan
Volatility: MediumSonido
Volatility: Medium
Wave C:
Light
Volatility: MediumFatality
Volatility: MediumRich Brown
Volatility: HighDSS
Volatility: HighRFang
Volatility: HighCosmos
Volatility: MediumZD
Volatility: MediumPeabnut
Volatility: MediumRemzi
Volatility: HighLocus
Volatility: MediumMr. E
Volatility: Lowsaj.
Volatility: MediumXaltis
Volatility: MediumMVD
Volatility: LowAbadango
Volatility: LowTweek
Volatility: Medium
Wave D:
Ned
Volatility: LowKameme
Volatility: LowCraftis
Volatility: MediumThe Great Gonzales
Volatility: HighJK
Volatility: LowAlly
Volatility: LowNairo
Volatility: LowMr. R
Volatility: LowRyo
Volatility: MediumFrozen
Volatility: MediumDabuz
Volatility: LowMute Ace
Volatility: Mediumtyroy
Volatility: MediumNickoZinoto
Volatility: LowManny
Volatility: Low
Wave E:
Darkshad
Volatility: HighSeagull Joe
Volatility: MediumLarry Lurr
Volatility: LowMistake
Volatility: LowPink Fresh
Volatility: MediumAarvark
Volatility: MediumSinji
Volatility: MediumIcyMist
Volatility: Lowfalln
Volatility: MediumMKLeo
Volatility: LowLuhtie
Volatility: HighWaDi
Volatility: MediumXzax
Volatility: HighSamsora
Volatility: Highdyr
Volatility: LowKonga
Volatility: High
Onpu
makes his American debut!That said, amazing work! I can't wait for the weekend.
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FeelMeUp
Smash Lord
ZeRo stopped blindly SDIing up in his second set against Mistake at LTC. Whoever told him to quit it was the main contributor to him completely wasting the guy in their runback.
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At 5:35 Zero said "bat within allows her to escape most combos and bad scenarios that no other character can".
It has probably been said before, that yes, while BW is frame 1 as opposed to frame 2 or 3 which is the norm, this does not necessarily make Bayo the best at escaping combos. As a character, when compared to say Rosa or Toon, assuming the same distance being launched so adjusting the percents as appropriate, Bayo is going to be experiencing some 3 frames of extra hitstun anyway (before the cap), give or take a frame. So while she may be able to escape a combo starting on frame 1 of her airdodge, in practice that's still going to be later than other character's first invulnerability frame. She's not necessarily going to be the best at breaking out of combos as is sometimes claimed. There are ways in which it would be better obviously e.g. if it isn't a combo we're talking about and is just someone airdodging on reaction, or if the hitstun frames are capped for airdodging and all characters can only airdodge on a certain frame anyway, but even then this does not represent "escaping most combos".
Oh, I absolutely don't think Bayo loses. Just calling back to when people thought Mac was free for her.
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A list of Lucas mains that I recognize who are currently are Super Smash Con
EDIT: I updated this list twice today, the total is now 20 Lucas mains!
EDIT: I updated this list twice today, the total is now 20 Lucas mains!
(Dashes are where I will update with their pool links when they are available)
Watermelon - (C207) https://smash.gg/tournament/super-smash-con-2017/events/wii-u-singles/brackets/144666/406364
20 in total!!!!
If you know a lucas main attending or are one yourself, including secondaries, feel free to drop a comment.
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Weekend thread is up.
If it's alright, I'll be adding this to the thread's OP.Gonna do a brief overview of the notable players Super Smash Con pools now that they're finalized. There's a lot more going on than there was in EVO round 1 pools, though there are still a good amount that aren't really interesting:
Salem
Volatility: lowDath
Volatility: HighShoyo James
Volatility: MediumESAM
Volatility: LowVoiD
Volatility: Low6WX
Volatility: MediumVinnie
Volatility: MediumNAKAT
Volatility: LowKomorikiri
Volatility: MediumSuperGirlKels
Volatility: LowRyuga
Volatiliy: LowCaptainZack
Volatility: LowZeRo
Volatility: LowCashmere
Volatility: Medium8BitMan
Volatility: MediumSonido
Volatility: Medium
Light
Volatility: MediumFatality
Volatility: MediumRich Brown
Volatility: HighDSS
Volatility: HighRFang
Volatility: HighCosmos
Volatility: MediumZD
Volatility: MediumPeabnut
Volatility: MediumRemzi
Volatility: HighLocus
Volatility: MediumMr. E
Volatility: Lowsaj.
Volatility: MediumXaltis
Volatility: MediumMVD
Volatility: LowAbadango
Volatility: LowTweek
Volatility: Medium
Ned
Volatility: LowKameme
Volatility: LowCraftis
Volatility: MediumThe Great Gonzales
Volatility: HighJK
Volatility: LowAlly
Volatility: LowNairo
Volatility: LowMr. R
Volatility: LowRyo
Volatility: MediumFrozen
Volatility: MediumDabuz
Volatility: LowMute Ace
Volatility: Mediumtyroy
Volatility: MediumNickoZinoto
Volatility: LowManny
Volatility: Low
Darkshad
Volatility: HighSeagull Joe
Volatility: MediumLarry Lurr
Volatility: LowMistake
Volatility: LowPink Fresh
Volatility: HighAarvark
Volatility: MediumSinji
Volatility: MediumIcyMist
Volatility: Lowfalln
Volatility: MediumMKLeo
Volatility: LowLuhtie
Volatility: HighWaDi
Volatility: MediumXzax
Volatility: HighSamsora
Volatility: Highdyr
Volatility: LowKonga
Volatility: High
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http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sq3pkd
So it turns out we might have mislabeled the stat we call "air deceleration" all along. It's actually a base air acceleration stat.
So it turns out we might have mislabeled the stat we call "air deceleration" all along. It's actually a base air acceleration stat.
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"There is a deadzone on the control stick where you decelerate at a separate rate equal to air friction (except for Ryu, he's coded specially)"
@Emblem Lord is going to riot about this
@Emblem Lord is going to riot about this
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I updated the post above.
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Ryu's movement is kinda weird in general to give him a Street Fighter feel.
Also I'm not sure if I'm just tired, but what exactly does that dead zone mean?
Jaguar360
Smash Lord
To my knowledge, Sumabato 18.5 didn't have a regular singles bracket. Edge won Doubles with Mangalitza
, though I don't see why that would incite discussion. Diddy/Cloud's always been a pretty good team.
TDK
Smash Master
That Sumabato bracket was entirely random characters, to my knowledge.
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The size of the area of stick that registers as neutral.
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Sumabato 19 (273 Entrants) (Japan)
1. HIKARU
2. 9B
3. Edge
4. Kiosk
5. Zaki
5. Masha
7. Tea
7. YOC
9. Gomamugitya
9. ikep
9. Masashi
9. Ri-ma
13. Saiya
13. Poro
13. Ageha-sama
13. Kie
Umebura 28 (256 Entrants) (Japan)
1st: KEN
2nd: RAIN
3rd: Choco
4th: Kirihara
5th: bAhuto
5th: Shu
7th: Brood
7th: Shogun
9th: Eim
9th: Lea
9th: Kisha
9th: Shky
13th: RYO
13th: Some
13th: KaPMk
13th: Nietono
17th: T
33rd: Earth
1. HIKARU
2. 9B
3. Edge
4. Kiosk
5. Zaki
5. Masha
7. Tea
7. YOC
9. Gomamugitya
9. ikep
9. Masashi
9. Ri-ma
13. Saiya
13. Poro
13. Ageha-sama
13. Kie
Umebura 28 (256 Entrants) (Japan)
1st: KEN
2nd: RAIN
3rd: Choco
4th: Kirihara
5th: bAhuto
5th: Shu
7th: Brood
7th: Shogun
9th: Eim
9th: Lea
9th: Kisha
9th: Shky
13th: RYO
13th: Some
13th: KaPMk
13th: Nietono
17th: T
33rd: Earth
Finh009
Smash Apprentice
Other notable placings:Sumabato 19 (273 Entrants) (Japan)
1. HIKARU
2. 9B
3. Edge
4. Kiosk
5. Zaki
5. Masha
7. Tea
7. YOC
9. Gomamugitya
9. ikep
9. Masashi
9. Ri-ma
13. Saiya
13. Poro
13. Ageha-sama
13. Kie
Umebura 28 (256 Entrants) (Japan)
1st: KEN
2nd: RAIN
3rd: Choco
4th: Kirihara
5th: bAhuto
5th: Shu
7th: Brood
7th: Shogun
9th: Eim
9th: Lea
9th: Kisha
9th: Shky
13th: RYO
13th: Some
13th: KaPMk
13th: Nietono
17th: T
33rd: Earth
Sumabato 19:
17th: Kome
25th: Oiisitofu
33rd: Sigma
49th: Taiheita
49th: Chanshu
Umebura 28:
17th: Tsu-
17th: Takera
65th: Songn
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4 Lucas mains made it out of pools.
#GLOBALLUCAS
Skeeter Mania
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Any newfound opinions on DK perhaps?Sumabato 19 (273 Entrants) (Japan)
1. HIKARU
2. 9B
3. Edge
4. Kiosk
5. Zaki
5. Masha
7. Tea
7. YOC
9. Gomamugitya
9. ikep
9. Masashi
9. Ri-ma
13. Saiya
13. Poro
13. Ageha-sama
13. Kie
Umebura 28 (256 Entrants) (Japan)
1st: KEN
2nd: RAIN
3rd: Choco
4th: Kirihara
5th: bAhuto
5th: Shu
7th: Brood
7th: Shogun
9th: Eim
9th: Lea
9th: Kisha
9th: Shky
13th: RYO
13th: Some
13th: KaPMk
13th: Nietono
17th: T
33rd: Earth
FeelMeUp
Smash Lord
DK still sucks.
C0rvus
Pro Hands Catcher
How on earth does he suck? Unless your definition of a bad character is anyone outside of top tier. I think he's a very potent counterpick character with very good normals and a stupid kill confirm. That's all you need in Smash 4.
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