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This is actually a really important point.
Recovering high would be much easier if the average landing lag on recovery moves wasn't 30 frames. Doesn't need to be as low as Melee's Fire Bird and Fire Fox with their 6-ish landing frames, but 20 and below would be much better.
Teleporters (M2, Zelda, Palutena, Sheik) can probably do it if they teleport cancel properly on platform stages.
I know, but I said that the average was 30. There's only a handful of characters who have below 30 landing lag on their recovery moves off the bat: Falco's Fire Bird has 19, Fox's has 20?, Lucina and Marth's Dolphin Slash have 20 if I recall correctly, Ryu's has something like 12 or 15 for Shoryuken, and I think both Sheik and ZSS have one of their moves in the 20 range. Everyone else has 30 landing frames with some, as you said, like Bowser having +50. Lucario and Luigi for one, have +60 on their Up Specials. Yeah, a full second to punish them.
I think Ryu definitely loses to ZSS. ZSS has incredible mobility and several long range tools to completely zone Ryu out. She can dash grab grounded focus attacks on reaction (even if you dash back, you still get caught) and between up Smash and up B, aerial focus attacks aren't an issue for her either. Her edge guarding capabilities are also really good versus Ryu. Ryu's ability to "end a stock" early is heavily dependent on the opponent making a huge mistake. ZSS has no reason to ever be near enough Ryu for that to happen. He simply can't catch her or lock her down consistently if she chooses to zone.
Fair enough.
If you don't mind, could you explain more of the Samus matchup?
You said it yourself, good Little Macs are not going to spam Smash attacks in neutral, they are going to go for downtilts tilts and jabs. Though the occasional random Smash attack is decent considering they have super armour and will blow through whatever Ryu is trying to do. After all he can't just sit in block waiting for a punishable move, Mac will break his shield with down angled Smashes.
Yeah I love downSmashing Little Mac's recovery and I used to think it was free. Then I encountered a Little Mac who actually knew how to sweet spot the ledge lol (didn't pop up a hurtbox while doing it). And then it turns out versus that it won't work.
I was expecting him to win a lot more of those matchups, but your reasoning makes sense.
PK Gaming
Hmm maybe, it looked like my timing was fine as it was the same timing I was using against other Little Macs but I could be wrong. Little Mac can also mixup with wall jumps to side Bs if he's close enough, gimping a good Little Mac isn't as free as it sounds.
Emblem Lord
who once again, "gets it". Really understands the game. 
Rosa can threaten jump up air from a pretty good distance. If you're going for the 2 frame (which is the best overall option) you do have to account for that possibility, at least sometimes.It quite honestly t r i g g e r s me when people shield at the ledge when Rosa recovers with Up B.
Emblem Lord
Emblem Lord
and . To me, those MUs are barely even (I see Tink's MU being 50:50 while Link is 55:45 Ryu's favor) because although Ryu doesn't have the best defenses against their items and tethers, his attack speed and power make up for it. I especially hate going against his Fair.
If you have a zair you probably go even at worst. Non commital space control that can lead to stuff? Sounds good to me. All of their projectiles do have counter play and its not like their zoning is impenetrable. Link gets utilt locked for sure and in general feels easier to punish and pin down compared to TL. I could see why you give Ryu the edge. TL is a smaller hurtobx, with more mobility, better kill set-ups, with worse range but so what. Overall his zoning is tougher to penetrate as well thanks to slower arrow and how his boomerang works.
I'm curious about your thoughts on
Y2Kay
He might. I played really long matches vs Venia months ago and he said he enjoyed playing my Ryu and felt the match was close. I used to think he won for sure till I studied their frame data and saw Ryu can punish everything Greninja does on block except space fair and bair. That includes all his grounded options. Fair is strong but will lose head on to FA which can be death depending on percent.
Yeah Forward Air being safe is all he really needs. I'm not sure if FA stops spaced Forward Air though. Everytime Veno Focus attacked the move Dark Aura just landed and ran way. I don't know if this is one fo the mistakes you where hinting too though. Greninja's Forward Air has really low landing lag and a large autocancel window. Combined with Gren's speed it's a great move.The move gets him decent reward at low percent, so I'm content with that. Neutral Air can be risky, and is the main mistake I see Greninja's make when fighting Ryu. Ryu's Up Tilt can easily catch bad jump ins and can get you killed. However, I think Ryu does leave some openings where you can squeeze a few of them in.
Seeing Venoms play gets me excited because I see tons of errors and honestly bad choices. Constantly trying to force himself on stage being the biggest one. I cannot wait to see how strong Ryu gets once people optimize him.
People should stop holding out for hidden potential and just start being intelligent. Your opponent blocks a slow shakunetsu so you do a full jump nair which is an easy roll response and now you lose all stage control?
lol. stop.
*Quickly compares available stats**plop* Compiled everyone's movement values in Smash 4 (and Brawl). I take no credit in finding any of this data and a monkey could have done what I did which is just copy numbers onto a spreadsheet. So, why? There's plenty of other areas to see movement data after all. The intent was be able to compare and connect numbers we see all the time like air speed, run speed, and walk speed with numbers we don't really see or sometime ignore like air acceleration, dash speed -- remember, dash and run is not the same thing --, and walk acceleration. Also, just to make it kind of easier to see with it all compiled together in a spreadsheet -- this one's subjective... Another thing which some might find pointless: being able to compare with previous games. I just wanted to see what's changed and what's not. Patterns, trends, and whatnot. Set designs too like it's just a Star Fox thing to have a high dash speed even if your run speed is really low or looking at stuff and wondering what the developers were thinking like Brawl Wario's 0.3 air acceleration and Brawl ROB's 0.006 air acceleration. Anyway, hopefully most of it's readable and not confusing -- I should probably make an intro sheet explaining some of the stuff.
Brawl movement value spreadsheet.
Smash 4 movement value spreadsheet.
Anyway, there are some problems. First one: DLC characters and Dr. Mario. They will be the ones with the most information missing. Initial walk speed, walk acceleration, etc. Nobody really bothered to check or write them down... Really wished someone did, since I would like to know Roy and Ryu's walk data. Doc's problem is that his most of his movement values are Mario's, but multiplied by... 0.8? It's something like that and I'm not sure exactly what was and wasn't multiplied such as Doc's air deceleration and traction being the same as Mario's. Also, one thing connected to that is air friction has two values: one for horizontal and one for vertical. Most characters just have the same number, but some have slightly different or even drastically different horizontal and vertical air frictions like Sheik. Because of this, I didn't type down any vertical air frictions for any of the DLC characters. Their horizontal air friction came from a famous frame data site everyone probably knows by now.
The next problem is also missing information: jump data. Smash 4 as far as I know -- should probably dig further -- doesn't seem to have data on jumps. For the most part, it kind of doesn't matter and it's a bit complicated since it's not black and white e.g. fast fallers tend to have really high velocities, but they jump like nowhere. There are, however, important information that I wished was available and it's about how momentum transfers from a jump or the maximum horizontal velocities characters have for their jumps.
Lastly, the formatting and terminology was based on Project Smash Attacks with Charizard, Squirtle, Triple D, and Venusaur's data from Smash Attacks because... well, they're weird. I started off compiling Brawl's movement data and there's one issue shared with Smash 4 from the data I used: dash acceleration and dash deceleration. For whatever reason, they're flipped Smash Attacks and the Smash 4 thread. In PSA, they're listed as "Dash & Run Acceleration A" and "Dash & Run Acceleration B". A is described as "The speed at which a character decelerates during Dash, Run, and Turn Run. Combines with 0x018 [Dash & Run Acceleration B]." B, in turn is described as "The speed at which a character accelerates during Dash, Run, and Turn Run. Combines with 0x014 [Dash & Run Acceleration A]." I did format it as so for both Brawl and Smash 4, but it's weird... So, disclaimer: if I screwed up which I might have, then oopsy doops. Everything else should be fine... I hope.
Also, everyone technically has a wall jump; answer what happens when you tech off a wall. Since there isn't any data for that in Smash 4 and nobody cares about Brawl anymore, then it shouldn't affect anything.(I did mark wall jump values for characters who can't normally wall jump with an asterisk)
Brawl: Information directory: http://smashboards.com/threads/brawl-information-compendium-social.266590/.
Most of Brawl's movement data is here: http://smashboards.com/threads/internal-character-mechanics-values.244329/.
In my ignorance, I didn't know either of those existed, so I pulled data by going through the characters themselves with PSA and SA.
Smash 4: Toomai's post for aerial movement: http://smashboards.com/threads/smas...ow-with-raw-real-values.383217/#post-18656263.
Toomai's post for ground movement: http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-4-running-walking-speed-rankings.371564/page-2#post-18647333.
No, seriously, when? Is there an estimated date or anything? Or are they waiting for a specific event, like they waited for Genesis for the first (and so far only)?
Wow, I never new Mario could death combo like that! Nor did I know Abadango played the character. Looks like Mario is a pretty rough match-up for Peach.
Ganondorf is supposed to be a slow, plodding character that hits like a truck. Yes, we all know this archetype doesn't work so great in Smash, but at the same time the gap between top and bottom tier has closed considerably since Melee and Brawl.
Peach is screwed.
