Sheik's ledge snap also can avoid the 2 frame, or has a disjointed, invincible on start-up hitbox. G&W also has a big disjoint on up-b, intangible for a long time (5-13), and if you get hit it sends you flying because of 60 BKB/80 KBG. Quick Attack has neither, so it's easier to punish in general.
I also never said go off-stage, just 2 frame. Free damage, and some characters can set up for kills off it like Fox.
I see 2 frame punishes don't matter for G&W but do for Pikachu. You also said, when comparing the two characters, that G&W's has intangibility, but you just said you wouldn't go off stage vs Pikachu, so why does that comparison matter? But whatever.
Hitting Pika during 2 frame gives him back his DJ, which combined with the ability to go on stage, under the stage (or wall jump on DH), and stall, makes what you are saying
impossible given the number of options Pika has off stage. And platforms just give him more.
Pretend like literally all of Pika's options don't exist or just ignore them, place him in a totally one dimensional world where he has one good option and only bad other options, like jumping to the ledge, which is exactly what your description was, and what you are describing would still be impossible. No player can 2 frame every time because the timing is incredibly strict. But even that doesn't matter because it would be giving in to your argument that Pika has only one good recovery option, up b to the ledge, and that is absurd.
How in the world is Pika susceptible to, "free damage," when recovering? I guess everyone but Sheik and MK are just extremely exploitable off stage, ZSS just has to tether to the ledge and then you can hit her for free damage, and her vertical recovery range just sucks, Villager, you can just pop his balloons, punish Bayo's side b on reaction, wait for Dedede to ledge snap and then spike him.
People try to make out every character's recovery as bad, except teleports because in the land of comparisons characters with teleport recoveries will never have to go low or anything, but the thing that we've known since release and that still holds true is that many characters have very good recoveries. Surprisingly enough Pika actually has a pretty good recovery (how is this argument happening rn).
The reason why this bugs me so much is because of this thread's attitude towards Pikachu, and this discussion of Pika's
bad recovery just confirms it.
Off the top of my head, the discussions that stick out are,
Random user: "Pika might be pretty good (gives old reasoning)."
Mod replies: "Let's please never discuss Pikachu EVER again."
"Pika won Combo Breaker."
Someone replies the next day: "Pikachu is on life support."
"Pikachu doesn't struggle in this MU (doesn't say anything that implies anything about uthrow thunder)."
"Why? And please don't say uthrow thunder."
"Pikachu has a very good recovery."
"Exploitable. 2 frame him, free damage."
This isn't made up, if these posts weren't so scattered over the last 6-8 months I would find them and quote them.
The issue is that many of the good writers in this thread are on the, "Pika isn't good," side, and since nobody really understands Pika well enough to refute them, everyone else is just bandwagoning and make absolutely awful posts about Pikachu all the time, which is why Pika discussion happens so much. Pika bandwagoning fills the thread with bullcrap to the ceiling, and then when someone says something, the actual good writers/players put in their two cents about Pika being overrated/Pika discussion is bad (followed by the inevitable, very stupid, "Waitin for Pika to become a RED TOPIC, give me likes in the spare time tho" from one of the bandwagoners). And then this cycle continues and the attitudes perpetuate, which drives out any of the few people who know a lot about Pikachu.
The only way the thread would have valuable discussion about Pikachu would be if someone who knows what they are talking about from the other side of things chipped in, like A10thehero, but why would they, when this thread is so full of garbage when Pikachu gets brought up?
Pikachu discussion shouldn't even be a bad thing. It's not wasting time with a character that isn't relevant. Pika has proven time and again to be relevant, and his relevancy will only increase when Esam goes to some of the big tournaments during summer that other top players are at (which he hasn't really been doing lately). He's an interesting high tier with a lot of unique tools and has a very important person repping them successfully.