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; I don't know who he used in winners or losers as he was not on stream once AFAIK./
Greninja can do this too actually. His grab is less disjointed but he has better burst than pretty much every other tether grabber besides ZSS. Sonic is still a bad MU for him but he does have a lot of positives in the MU (big one - if you corner Sonic you can suffocate him with shuriken frame data as he can't retreat outside its range) which make me wonder if MU inexperience plays a big part in Greninja's bad record against him.
No, the MU is just really bad even if Greninja does have some perks
Not to say I disagree but this could use some more explanation.
Sonic still run circles around us, using shurikens can be risky just because of how fast he is, he's almost impossible for us to gimp and he's really hard to hit since most of Greninja's combo starters have high start-up and so building damage on him is also really hard. Meanwhile Sonic is getting like 25% with each Spin Dash he hits us with giving him better and more consistent damage racking, he can edgeguard us better than we can edgeguard him, plus he also has a pretty good kill throw as a stock cap.
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It's probably around 55/45 DK. Will said DK loses slightly I think, but that's just not possible when DK can outfootsie Ryu consistently with that transcendent dtilt of his. Pivot grab is the easiest response to a Ryu jumping at you and DK's gives him good reward and a kill confirm from 80% to about 100%. Window to kill isn't huge so he definitely needs to be on point, but this is something that no one else in the game can do. Make Ryu fear death before he invokes the same fear in his opponent. Ryu however doesnt really care about Bair or some of DK's other stuff and he can ledge trap him harshly and edgeguard him pretty viciously with very easy spikes due to DK's hitbox. Of course any error by DK results in easy shoryu confirms, DK is just too huge. It's not easy for DK, but that grab confirm of his is enough to make me give him the nod.Serious post about Wrath now. It was honestly unexpected (and unfortunately unpleasant) to see such a defensive Sonic, since his strongest representatives have moved toward tempered aggression. I don't recall seeing anyone play like that since the StaticManny of old. However, I feel like StaticManny's camping focused on using Sonic's mobility to run away from the opponent; on the other hand, Wrath's camping is centered around creating a low commitment threat by continuously using shield canceled Spin Dash, and leaving his opponent guessing when he'll release it. This style honestly seems incredibly difficult to deal with if the opposing character has no consistent or high reward tool for dealing with Spin Dash and shield mix-ups, and I could see it being optimal Sonic play in many MUs. If that is the case, you would basically be playing a large number of guessing games to try and call out Spin Dash until you build a big enough lead such that this style becomes unfeasible; Sonic holds all the cards in this scenario.
Also, I'm surprised Larry's DK lost so badly to Trela. DKWill beat Venom fairly handily at GOML last weekend, and while Trela is stronger than Venom, Venom is no slouch with Ryu. Larry just was not able to land grabs, and spent most of the match in DK's horrid disadvantageous state. I personally feel this is a decent MU for DK, since he's able to space outside of Ryu's effective range with his tilts and bair, and can pivot grab approaching aerials given Ryu's very committal jumps. I thinkEmblem Lord said something about this MU being good for DK as well, and he'd probably be able to enunciate it much better and more accurately than I can.
Worth noting he was losing by about 60-70% on the final stock but landed a K.O. Punch to get the victory.So Hikaru decides to use
in top 8
Bayo's is pretty weak but yeah, it's definitely interesting. A killing Fthrow is much better than a killing Bthrow. That's probably why not many characters have them. Still not as good as a killing Uthrow most likely but in some situations they can be better (depending on what percentage everything kills, of course).
fwiw Lucas also has a killing f throw, though with dthrow uair and uthrow there's never really any reason to use it, unless you've staled uthrow for some odd reason :/ and Diddy and sonic could potentially be considered kill throws too though both definitely don't kill at good kill throw %s
The disjointed daggers come in handy against fists.
You do realize that dks tilts are intangible right?
. Pit eats their landings up for breakfast.
To be fair three of these got top 16 at Momocon, and then some. (Marth and Bowser in top 8)Love how diverse japans meta is,
had chars like
Truth.Pit's anti air attacks are easily top class.
Up air, Nuetral Air, Up smash, dash attack, and upper dash arm are great at denying landings. It's one of the few top tier traits he actually has.
I'm not suprised at all that he won if his opponent used
his arms are intangible, not his entire hurtbox. His tilts are much easier to contest with for sword characters
Stop running into spin dash and Wrath PS. Also bad airdodges are bad.
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