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Think of Shiek as a dam. Once it finally broke with the last nerf, the competitive viability of over half the cast is now flooding over.
(GF1 and GF2 only after losing WF 2:3 to Sodreks Fox with Diddy Kong) (against Katsumis Rosalina only) 
it is bad for viewership tbh
i dont like how you keep bringing up other fighting games when discussing smash, i know jack **** about other FGs lol, and i'm sure a lot of other ppl are on the same boat.
Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
Sleeh mains Diddy
Thank you, couldn't find info anywhere lol
The fact that Smash 4 is the most similar to other fighting games with its design means that you should not be bragging about this.
What he was talking about Pokken?ಠ_ಠ (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I think it's possible. You can't nerf the startup of Witch Twist without killing all of the feel/viability, but increasing the endlag would be reasonable, especially on a whiff. Kind of like how Ryu's tilts can cancel into specials upon connecting, Bayo's combo starter specials feel like they were intended to have a similar mechanic, but instead were just blessed with insanely low endlag.
Nah it's fine! And like EL said, all fighting games have some serious defensive play. Most anything does in many cases. Even Melee has a lot of defensiveness, there's just a lot of fluff that masks it.
Witch Time SHOULD be good. It really sucks to be on the receiving end, because the game enters "single player mode," but as long as there's some risk associated (miss Counter, eat heavy punish+have worse Counter next time you use it) it should be very rewarding. And the risk was increased in this patch, so they're aware!
The way I see it... you mentioned "the game promotes defensive play and always picking the easy option without it being hard to identify in each scenario."
yea? i dont like how folks act like games being defensive is bad design.
you did that thing again where you compare smash to other things that most people are not interested in and it kinda isn't even related to smash at all..
top 8Top 8:
Nairo (Zero Suit Samus)
Larry Lurr (Fox)
Tearbear (Captain Falcon)
FOW (Ness)
VoiD (Sheik)
Falln (Rosalina)
K9 (Sheik)
Ax3 (Toon Link)
9th: JWest (Samus)
9th: Zan (Toon Link)
9th: SS (Villager)
9th: MrConCon (Luigi)
13th: IC (Diddy Kong)
13th: TLTC (Palutena)
13th: Scizor (Link)
13th: Sleeh (Diddy Kong)
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Good post but this is only true in two scenarios
Just to be clear here, people, this means where you can stall out and the opponent can't even chase you. Basically, planking.
doesn't care about letting mario live to 180% and is happily content in just ledge-guarding /swatting him away unti he eventualy dies while can't even touch her lmao
You can't be serious.
It's relevent because it's a basic fundamental of fighting and Smash is a fighting game.
Yeah, it's possible that the whole "can't punish if they mess up their deadly combo" isn't really true in this game, or at least, very rarely so. MK and ZSS, for example, when they did their ladder combos, if they whiffed their upB, it was a big punishment opportunity... unless maybe you're a slow faller than can't get down in time to punish them. Otherwise, that was a pretty reasonably punishment, for how much reward they got from it. Bayonetta, I'm still not sure about, but I believe you in that regard!
What tourney?Mr.R 3-0'es Ally in Grand Finals while 3-1'ing him in Winner Finals. Seems like
Don't speak for "most people."
That would make u air not kill, but buff her already dumb good edgeguarding, plus she can still 0-death without u air. I was thinking maybe give divekick less knobk back on low percents so that you dont go as high but also adjust how high bayo goes too so that it wont kill its low % combo potential, also increase the endlag on a landing divekick.Yeah, it's possible that the whole "can't punish if they mess up their deadly combo" isn't really true in this game, or at least, very rarely so. MK and ZSS, for example, when they did their ladder combos, if they whiffed their upB, it was a big punishment opportunity... unless maybe you're a slow faller than can't get down in time to punish them. Otherwise, that was a pretty reasonably punishment, for how much reward they got from it. Bayonetta, I'm still not sure about, but I believe you in that regard!
And yeah, I was going to mention the hitbox on Witch Twist, because I saw those images that showed what their hitboxes looked like and it was gross (I can't seem to find them now though)...
But you really can't nerf the startup or hitboxes on Witch Twist without ruining its feel and combo viability, so the endlag is the only reasonable thing I see. That said, as a Kirby player, I don't appreciate the fact that the disjoint is basically bigger than my entire body, and I have no reliable way to challenge it, even while edgeguarding her...
I'm really not sure how to get rid of her "0-death" ability. Maybe make Upair a semispike like Ganondorf's sourspot Upair?
There will always be room for categorizations and/or comparisons through cognitive flexibility. Whether you care for them or not is, ironically, irrelevant.
You are doing that thing again where you dont understand what correlation is as well as the concept of risk vs reward.
