3DS Community Patch Notes v1.0.4 -- Engine Changes to DI

[TTTTTsd]

That is absolutely the best and most shocking change I think I've ever witnessed.

 

[Thinkaman]

In 1.0.3, Mario can die on Mute City by holding up at 74%

In 1.0.4, he survives at 103%.

 

[Dabuz]

On Mute City, Mario dies from the track at 104% with no input.

On 1.0.3, you can live to 134% by holding down.

On 1.0.4, holding down doesn't matter.

It's dead Jim.

If you angle towards the corners, do you live longer?

 

[Thinkaman]

I live to 107% by holding sideways. This is the same in both versions.

 

[KlefkiHolder]

In 1.0.3, Mario can die on Mute City by holding up at 74%

In 1.0.4, he survives at 103%.

Hold right.

Edit: wait 4%?
What.
Edit 2:
So they just took out vertical influence?

The hell?

 

[TTTTTsd]

I live to 107% by holding sideways.

DI! DI!

Welp, this is awesome. Officially happier than ever before now. My Dr. Mario combos are now a lot more finite.

Edit: Wait, so they took out vertical influence? So it's still not DI in a sense but....it's honestly a lot better now IMO. I think Vectoring horizontally only is pretty fine.

 

[LordFluffy]

Confirming also, that holding down indeed no longer prevents mario from dying later in 1.0.4 vs 1.0.3.
What...what the heck?

 

[Thinkaman]

 

[Strong Badam]

Vectoring is officially dead. The direction you hold no longer affects launch speeds or distance, just angles. Tested in vs mode.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Signed,
Discoverer and namer of Vectoring

 

[Big O]

Hold right.

Edit: wait 4%?
What.
Edit 2:
So they just took out vertical influence?

The hell?

Basically the reason he lived longer is because of geometry. He changed the angle of launch to bend away from the ceiling. This is how DI works.

 

[Thinkaman]

Can someone get me a reliable, easy, horizontal hitbox to test?

 

[TTTTTsd]

Oh my GOSH this is so GREAT.

All those Mario U-Throw combos I discovered can no longer be vectored....

Castwide options have increased fairly significantly IMO.

Can someone get me a reliable, easy, horizontal hitbox to test?

Maybe Falcon Dtilt? It hits at a pretty raw horizontal angle. Or Ganon Ftilt it kills faster

 

[KlefkiHolder]

Basically the reason he lived longer is because of geometry. He changed the angle of launch to bend away from the ceiling. This is how DI works.

Ik how DI works.

Just surprised at the strength of this DI. I thought they would.compensate the loss of vectoring with stronger DI.
Edit: I can see why my post could have been confusing haha

 

[Jaxas]

Ik how DI works.

Just surprised at the strength of this DI. I thought they would.compensate the loss of vectoring with stronger DI.

Vectoring was actually weaker (for pure survival purposes) than DI was; it was the confusion with Crouch Cancelling that made people think otherwise.

 

[Big O]

Vectoring was actually weaker (for pure survival purposes) than DI was; it was the confusion with Crouch Cancelling that made people think otherwise.

Nah It was way stronger than DI is currently. If you look at my test, there was no crouch canceling and the results speak for themselves.

 

[KlefkiHolder]

Vectoring was actually weaker (for pure survival purposes) than DI was; it was the confusion with Crouch Cancelling that made people think otherwise.

Yeah I knew that too. Vectoring was pretty weak comparatively, I think I had a few arguments over in the impressions thread on this.

Crouch canceling is super strong. At least it doesn't mess with hitstun ala Melee.

Nah It was way stronger than DI is currently. If you look at my test, there was no crouch canceling and the results speak for themselves.

He meant old DI, Melee and Brawl.

 

[Jaxas]

Just thought of something; I'm going to laugh if Wectoring wasn't removed on purpose...

 

[TTTTTsd]

Just thought of something; I'm going to laugh if Wectoring wasn't removed on purpose...

That was my exact theory around the alteration of it after reading before confirmation. It seems like Wario's glitch was removed in the best possible way...

 

[Jiom]

Maybe that is how they took out wectoring, like how they took out dacus by making it so you need to jump cancel to hyphen smash.

edit: actually you don't need to jump cancel, the timing is just more precise on the up input. Maybe dacus isn't out... it is done differently as well?

 

[SamuraiPanda]

So uh... am I adding this to the OP? This is huge. And may require a thread for itself...

 

[Shaya]

WOWW!!!

No ****ing wonder my throws were comboing, you can't just hold up/away to freely avoid it anymore!

Officially not upset I got down throw/fthrow changes wrong. It's literally the game making my throws not useless by holding away!

Mars Grab Game GET[ten again]

 

[san.]

Finally, I can instinctively hold up when I get hit again.

 

[Jaxas]

So uh... am I adding this to the OP? This is huge. And may require a thread for itself...

I'd say you should link a separate thread in the OP; we need to do a bunch of testing on this and it could well overrun any other changes

 

[Flamecircle]

@ Thinkaman : megaman's utilt. Either that or rest, or Luigi's sweetspot upb.

 

[micstar615]

This explains why some thought Marth's throws were buffed

 

[TTTTTsd]

Finally, Mario's U-Throw can be useful!

Actually, ****, "Finally, (insert character here)'s throw can be useful!"

 

[Thinkaman]

@ SamuraiPanda Should I format my data into a new thread?

Edit:
@ Big O , do you have all your data in a single table?

 

[Blubolouis]

Can someone get me a reliable, easy, horizontal hitbox to test?

try Link's dsmash, second hit

 

[LordFluffy]

So uh... am I adding this to the OP? This is huge. And may require a thread for itself...

Add it to the OP but make a different thread as well. this needs to be tested more.

 

[KlefkiHolder]

What about Rage?

Should we test if rage changed?

 

[lijero13ss]

Toon Links boomerang travels faster and further I think

I don't think so. It feels the same to me

 

[Thinkaman]

try Link's dsmash, second hit

I mean, I have to be able to inflict it upon myself. Regardless, I used bom-ombs.

What about Rage?

Should we test if rage changed?

I'm on it.

 

[Dipikins]

Wow. That is such a huge nerf on Rosalina . Hmm... I guess it was sort of justified because Luma offered too much spacing and zone control. That Shulk buff is pretty nice. I always felt that he was too under-powered for the kit he packed. Hopefully we'll see more use of him in competitive play. (:

 

[SaltyKracka]

*Plays Ganondorf*

Well, hell.

Combo city, here we come I guess.

 

[Big O]

@ SamuraiPanda Should I format my data into a new thread?

Edit:
@ Big O , do you have all your data in a single table?

Tested on BF with DK facing right and Blast Box on right

Both Patches

60% No Input = Barely lives
61% No Input = KO

Pre-Patch

77% Holding down/left = Barely lives
46% Holding up/right = KO

Post-Patch

64% Holding down/left = Barely lives
58% Holding up/right = KO

 

[Jiom]

Can someone get me a reliable, easy, horizontal hitbox to test?

Ganon f tilt is the most horizontal knockback move in the game imo.

Oh to actually perform on yourself... I'll get back to you

 

[Thinkaman]

ganon f tilt is the most horizontal knockback move in the game imo

Yes, but I need something like a stage or an item I can use in a controlled setting on a single player 3DS.

I mean, we can test WiiU however we want in 28.5 hours, but...


Confirmed that rage is still here.

 

[SonicZeroX]

And I JUST got used to vectoring

Now I have to retrain my DI reflex AGAIN

 

[KlefkiHolder]

Do we have a way to check the potency of Rage?

 

[SamuraiPanda]

@ SamuraiPanda Should I format my data into a new thread?

Edit:
@ Big O , do you have all your data in a single table?

Yes you should. And please mention this may open new combos like Marth throws comboing into normals, or Falcon throws comboing into Knee (I saw several people mentioning they could do Dthrow -> knee at low percents "guaranteed") but more testing is needed. That'll get the hype train going on hyperdrive.

I'll link your thread in the OP. This is huge dude.