drag0nscythe
Smash Master
- Joined
- Sep 2, 2007
- Messages
- 3,268
Pretty sure they dont want to be the state that casts the deciding vote.
-
Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!
You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!
2020 US Presidential Election Discussion
- Thread starter remilia
- Start date
- Status
Shroob
Sup?
That's not the case, because they wouldn't be, they're only worth 6, and ignoring Arizona, which has still to be called, Nevada's 6 would only get Biden to 259.
Hell, Pennsylvania is on the fast track to do that tonight, so Nevada has no real excuse, especially if the Attorney General of Nevada admits that 90% of the votes remaining are from Democratic-territories.
D
Deleted member
Guest
The Democrats really have to try harder next time, because the fact that Trump literally denied COVID-19's existence for a while, and a lot of people thought he would win really shows that the Democrats are a weak party. Yes, Biden won the 2020 election, but it was way too close for many peoples' comfort.
I say this knowing the Democrats won't try at all.
I say this knowing the Democrats won't try at all.
Last edited by a moderator:
drag0nscythe
Smash Master
- Joined
- Sep 2, 2007
- Messages
- 3,268
Well, given how right now, Arizona is called for biden, it looks like Nevada is the deciding vote. Well was the deciding vote. Was it up to them to push biden to 270, or to goto trump. Thats ablot of pressure.
What's this i hear of recounts in pa, ga and other places?
Shroob
Sup?
Of course there's going to be recounts. Georgia is soo close that there kinda has to be.
But Biden has a 4k lead(and still climbing, albeit slowly since there's barely any votes left), and recounts on average only add or subtract a couple hundred votes.
And Pennsylvania.... lol. 22k lead he has nothing to worry about there.
D
Deleted member
Guest
Even if Trump calls for a recount of Georgia, it doesn't matter, because Biden has a pretty nice lead in Pennsylvania.
Shroob
Sup?
My only hangup are the 100k provisional votes in Pennsylvania atm.
I have no idea what districts those are coming from.
I have no idea what districts those are coming from.
D
Deleted member
Guest
Trump is going to be extremely pissed for these few months, because it's pretty clear Biden defeated Trump, fair and square.
- Joined
- Jul 30, 2007
- Messages
- 15,494
- NNID
- VenusBloom
- 3DS FC
- 0318-9184-0547
The next few months are going to be very noisy and rambunctious if Trump isn’t elected.
As my family puts it “All we want is a fair and honest election which all citizens have a voice”.
To which I responded “And what’s a fair and honest election consist of? The answer is different who you ask.”
“A fair and honest election is the one where Donald Trump wins.“
In what I see within conservative and far-right communities that I observe, they have no intention of seeing Biden president and are calling for Trump to contest it in the Supreme Court. I see this happening personally. And, yes, there are groups like Donald Trump Jr, Infowars and DailyStormer calling for civil war.
Even if we dodge a length recount, Supreme Court hearing, or Civil War....Trump isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. He changed the Republican Party to the point that his policies and rhetoric has become a part of it. Yes, there are old school Republicans (or RINOs as they love to call them) who go against this populism that Trump used but the Republican constituents would rather follow Trump than follow the Republican Party. I would not be surprised to see Trump for his own political party or become some sort of power-broker/in charge role within the GOP
Shroob
Sup?
Question is, what can/will the Supreme Court do? Trump's stacked it, but if the recounts happen and nothing happens, and there's no evidence of foul play, on what grounds does he have? At that point, he lost, there's nothing else to it, and anything else is a gross misuse of power.
If the votes are proven to not be "Fraudulent", does the SC have the power to overturn an entire election because it made the sitting President salty?
Last edited:
TheBeastHimself
No time for tea, uncle, gotta capture the Avatar!
You guys know about deepfakes? I thought this would be a light-hearted thing to share during these times:
D
Deleted member
Guest
The thing is, the Trump era is still going to come to a close. Trump is no longer going to have as much power as he did when he was the president.
He will probably end up like Obama after 2016.
Last edited by a moderator:
Shroob
Sup?
Oh you are SO naïve if you think this is coming to a close just because he could lose office.
If anything, this is just fanning the flames for rebellion. I'm not going to be one to overblow **** like a lot of news outlets, but domestic terrorism? Completely on the table, and we've already seen it attempt to happen. The police had to arrest two guys with plans to shoot up a Pennsylvania counting place.
D
Deleted member
Guest
I never said things would go peacefully with Trump and the MAGA chuds. I think that will be a pretty large issue. However, I am talking in terms of presidential powers. Trump isn't going to have power to put in his policies, like botching up the response to the pandemic. Now truthfully, Biden is not going to do very much to stop it, but Trump is a bit more dangerous than Biden is. And very sadly, domestic terrorism will be an issue. You are correct on that front.
Trump could grab a seat in the White House, but it isn't going to be the same as President. I doubt Trump will even grab a position that gives him as much power as someone like Pelosi.
Last edited by a moderator:
Shroob
Sup?
If anything, this mobilizes the Republican party, and Trump's already considering 2024 iirc.
The Republican party will never be the same after Trump unless it splits itself from Trumpism, and at that point, it's basically a 3rd, weaker party between Democratic and Trumpism.
D
Deleted member
Guest
I doubt the Republican party will have a dramatic split as much as people think, because man, they love Trump.
Can we talk how awful the Lincoln Project was though? Like, you're probably only go sway a few Republicans to ride with Biden.
Shroob
Sup?
"They love Trump"
We'll see about that tbh. We've already seen rats fleeing the sinking ****, and a lot of people who have supported him turned their backs on him these last few days like Chris Christie and Mitt Romney.
Trump supporters love Trump, but I'd be hard pressed to say that the Republican party as a whole loves him. I know damn well that someone like Jon McCain would be out there standing next to Biden and criticizing Trump were he still with us.
Last edited:
D
Deleted member
Guest
I admit I wasn't thinking much when I made that last post. Yeah, Biden does love to get in bed with Republicans, or vice versa.
Still, the Lincoln Project was quite useless.
Anyways, I will say it again, but the Democrats are a weak """resistance""" party. The fact that Biden is letting in Republicans on his team with open hands should concern many.
Last edited by a moderator:
Shroob
Sup?
Call me an old timer, but I'm not concerned. This country's run on a two-party system, and bi-partisanship is how things get done. Us vs Them is doing us no favors.
I agree entirely with Biden's speech tonight in that: "We may be opponents but we are not enemies. We are Americans", and this has held true. United we stand, divided we fall, and in recent times, we have been divided, and we have fallen.
I'm left, but I'm not extreme. I highly respect people like Jon McCain, and were he not have been running against Obama at the time, I would have voted for him.
StoicPhantom
Smash Ace
- Joined
- Dec 11, 2018
- Messages
- 631
That's a bad thing, chief. "Bi-partisanship" has always been code for austerity and institution dismantlement. The only time that is brought out is when the Democrats inherent a bad economy and need to find a way to stop the spiral without doing the obvious and raising taxes on the rich.
You take even a brief glance through Biden's record and it is clear he only exists as an empty shell to serve the rich. He's been one of the central architects of the Democrat's dismantling of our institutions, from removing the ability to declare bankruptcy on student debt to Nafta, and is one of the most GOP friendly Democrats, e.g. smearing Anita Hill and working to get Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia on the Supreme Court.
Senate committee talk from Graham: If we keep the Senate which I think we will and I become Budget chairman. I'd like to create a dialogue about how can we finally begin to address the debt.
— Chris Cioffi (@ReporterCioffi) November 6, 2020
Do not expect a new stimulus proposal from the White House, per person familiar
— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) November 6, 2020
Mitch McConnell now in lead on GOP stimulus strategy
McConnell is expected to advance a "skinny" package -- which has been DOA with House Dems -- with the administration's blessing
America’s new power couple: Mitch and Joe
How a Biden presidency and McConnell-led Senate might actually get along.
www.politico.com
A Biden Presidency and a McConnell Senate is the worst of all possible outcomes. A Trump/McConnell or Biden/contested Senate outcome would at least have the possibility of public pressure, no matter how small, but Biden/McConnell gives Democratic legitimacy to McConnell ("We can all go back to ignoring politics!") and allows him to pin the fallout of the coming austerity on the Democrats just in time for their already shaky prospects going into 2022. Biden, having reached the apex of his political career, will have no need to bow to pressure from the rest of the party or its constituents and can look forward to leaving after his alleged one term to six figure checks from various industries like Obama did.
It lines up so perfectly that there is no way Mitch didn't deliberately torpedo Trump's chances by refusing to pass any stimulus until after Trump lost; a Biden Presidency is much better for him and his goals. Rather than having Trump win and continuing to embarrass the GOP while throwing a wrench into the war machine and deep state shenanigans, the Joe/Mitch dream team of economic idiocy and malicious indifference to human suffering can ram all the austerity and social welfare cuts they want while the blame gets pinned on Mitch by the Democrats for writing the legislation and gets pinned on Biden by the Republicans for endorsing them with his signature and the cycle will continue with the general population blaming Democrats for the irreversible damage to the economy because Biden was President.
Literally what happens every time.
And everyone here keeps going on about a "Civil War" and the like, but the actual terror is what will happen if these evil morons strip the social programs that people are currently relying on to ride out the pandemic from them. The backlash in both the streets and at the ballot will be far worse than what we've seen in the past few months.
Shroob
Sup?
I mean, it's a bad thing, but it's what we're working with. We don't live in the reality where Bernie or AOC won the Primary and it was a huge win for Socialism, and because there's no other option, it's Trump, or Biden. This election was never going to be a magical happy fun fun land where everything worked out in the end, it was always the lesser of two evils, and I'm sorry, call it ignorance or what have you, but I'll always consider Trump the bigger evil between the two.That's a bad thing, chief. "Bi-partisanship" has always been code for austerity and institution dismantlement. The only time that is brought out is when the Democrats inherent a bad economy and need to find a way to stop the spiral without doing the obvious and raising taxes on the rich.
You take even a brief glance through Biden's record and it is clear he only exists as an empty shell to serve the rich. He's been one of the central architects of the Democrat's dismantling of our institutions, from removing the ability to declare bankruptcy on student debt to Nafta, and is one of the most GOP friendly Democrats, e.g. smearing Anita Hill and working to get Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia on the Supreme Court.
Senate committee talk from Graham: If we keep the Senate which I think we will and I become Budget chairman. I'd like to create a dialogue about how can we finally begin to address the debt.
— Chris Cioffi (@ReporterCioffi) November 6, 2020Do not expect a new stimulus proposal from the White House, per person familiar
— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) November 6, 2020
Mitch McConnell now in lead on GOP stimulus strategy
McConnell is expected to advance a "skinny" package -- which has been DOA with House Dems -- with the administration's blessingAmerica’s new power couple: Mitch and Joe
How a Biden presidency and McConnell-led Senate might actually get along.
A Biden Presidency and a McConnell Senate is the worst of all possible outcomes. A Trump/McConnell or Biden/contested Senate outcome would at least have the possibility of public pressure, no matter how small, but Biden/McConnell gives Democratic legitimacy to McConnell ("We can all go back to ignoring politics!") and allows him to pin the fallout of the coming austerity on the Democrats just in time for their already shaky prospects going into 2022. Biden, having reached the apex of his political career, will have no need to bow to pressure from the rest of the party or its constituents and can look forward to leaving after his alleged one term to six figure checks from various industries like Obama did.
It lines up so perfectly that there is no way Mitch didn't deliberately torpedo Trump's chances by refusing to pass any stimulus until after Trump lost; a Biden Presidency is much better for him and his goals. Rather than having Trump win and continuing to embarrass the GOP while throwing a wrench into the war machine and deep state shenanigans, the Joe/Mitch dream team of economic idiocy and malicious indifference to human suffering can ram all the austerity and social welfare cuts they want while the blame gets pinned on Mitch by the Democrats for writing the legislation and gets pinned on Biden by the Republicans for endorsing them with his signature and the cycle will continue with the general population blaming Democrats for the irreversible damage to the economy because Biden was President.
Literally what happens every time.
And everyone here keeps going on about a "Civil War" and the like, but the actual terror is what will happen if these evil morons strip the social programs that people are currently relying on to ride out the pandemic from them. The backlash in both the streets and at the ballot will be far worse than what we've seen in the past few months.
I am an inherently non-political person(Groan inducing to hear, I know), this is pretty much the only time I'll ever talk about politics in general, so if you're expecting some long winded political debate with me, you're out of luck. I care very little for politics outside of not wanting Trump in office. As soon as he's out, I'll pretty much go back to the "I don't really care, I'll just vote D every time on my ballot" mindset.
If Bernie runs next time, I'll vote him.
If AOC runs next time, I'll vote her.
I'm the exact opposite side of the spectrum of "Republicans vote R because R good, D bad.", I vote D because I just vote D, and outside of the late McCain, I can't imagine I'd ever vote R, I put very little thought into politics, nor do I care to, with the Election being the only time in this one instance. I will vote straight D, but that is about the most **** I can give for Politics.
Call me a Centrist, call me an alt.right despite me voting Left all my life, I've been called every name by extremely Left people I know, but you could not pay me more to care about Politics outside of mailing in my ballot. The only time this is my exception is due to a burning hatred of Trump, that's it really.
Last edited:
StoicPhantom
Smash Ace
- Joined
- Dec 11, 2018
- Messages
- 631
Yeah and I'd rather nothing get done if getting things done means irreparably damaging the economy and destroying what little institutions we have left. Not that anything actually gets done outside of austerity or whatever benefits corporations mind you. This isn't about what's ideal, but about not going bat**** insane and doing what has been thoroughly proven the world over to shrink economies in a time where said economy is about to go through a major contraction. What Biden and Mitch are planning to do is the economic equivalent of putting an oil pipe into a burning warehouse.
What is needed is a massive stimulus and not a deliberate contraction. To that end Trump would have been the lesser of two evils as he at least understands on some level the consequences to those actions.
You don't need to justify not engaging me and I partially used your post as an excuse to post part of my thoughts on what's going on anyways, but this is the election thread on the Serious Discussion board, so posting my thoughts on your posts is both expected and kind of encouraged.
Last edited:
StrangeKitten
Smash Lord
The biggest reason I'm hoping for a Biden win is because Trump support goes way too far. I wouldn't mind much if people just sorta liked him, like what happens with any president. But when you have people claiming God elected Trump, Trump is somehow the only one who can put a stop to pedophilia, covfefe wasn't a typo it has this secret deep meaning, etc. it's honestly disturbing. If this was just a few loonies here and there it would be whatever. But from what I've seen, it's most Trump supporters. I strongly dislike unhealthy worship of leaders.
Shroob
Sup?
I agree on the Stimulus part, but as someone who's been following Stimulus since when it was announced(Granted, moreso driven by personal greed than actual interest in the politics behind it), and has been watching the insanity of it all since the idea of a 2nd check was thrown out, it's hard to imagine one was ever coming due to Mitch AND Nancy. Sure, Trump pushed it hard, but those two were not playing ball, or at least, not in ways that would actually help the people.
Mitch has pushed his Skinny Bill, or variations of it, time and time again, which always fails
And Nancy is completely unwilling to compromise on her conditions despite being offered a few(Granted, I don't inherently disagree with her, since the testing money should go for, well, testing, and not just given as a "Do whatever" thing). The money should be accounted for where it's going.
Unless you mean a completely different Stimulus than the one that gave out checks earlier this year.
Last edited:
StrangeKitten
Smash Lord
I'd think Biden would have a better shot at getting a stimulus passed since he'd probably get along better with Pelosi. We'll see what happens.
D
Deleted member
Guest
I agree with you that Biden and Mitch are both horrible people, but Trump is a tool of the corporations and wealthy too. It's not like Trump was doing nothing, he was only making the situation worse.
But I do agree with you that people are overhyping Biden. To be fair, Trump being out of office is nice, but Biden is not going to fix many issues, if any at all.
Edit: Sorry for that typo in the last post, if anyone saw it. I meant "out of office", not "in office". This is what happens when your sleep schedule is messed up.
Last edited by a moderator:
StoicPhantom
Smash Ace
- Joined
- Dec 11, 2018
- Messages
- 631
They are just a few loonies. The bulk of the Trump supporters are like the Hispanics that just had a major exodus from the Democrats and are attracted to Trump due to his populism. They just aren't the ones that are propped up by the media, as evidenced by the fact that said media and polls were completely blindsided by this happening.
Stimulus in the general sense of pump as much money to ordinary people as possible. So yes the checks you are talking about and much more.
Stimulus is effectively giving people money to go out and buy ****. Too little stimulus and they just save it or use it to pay off their debts. This is important because people ultimately need to buy things in order for the economy to function or else it is losing money on production. And people can't buy things if they are too poor to even eat.
Austerity is when the government decides cutting taxes and the welfare state is a sensible plan. The idea of this is that putting more money into people's hands will make them buy more while cutting government spending to the welfare state will mean that the government is engaging in less "wasteful" spending and subsequently has more money to pay off debts. This then means that the deficit will be payed off and the economy will get better.
Thinking about that for more than a few seconds yields the obvious flaw in that if you cut people's taxes (the government's revenue) and cut the welfare state (what people are leaning on to buy more ****) then not only do you not actually gain more money, but the economy then shrinks. Because tax cuts are universal and taxes are based on percentages, so billionaires get millions of dollars in tax cuts (millions of dollars in revenue loss for the government) and ordinary people get a few hundred to a few thousand dollars (in exchange for losing the tens of thousands in healthcare and food benefits), meaning your economy is only going to shrink.
Austerity is ultimately a ploy to get out of some economic ****up that's usually caused by the rich without raising taxes on said rich to get out of the economic rut. The ruse is enticing the masses with the instant gratification of hundreds in tax cuts to distract from losing tens of thousands in financial aid while putting millions in the hands of people who have billions. The poor take the fall while the rich get a bonus.
The "skinny" stimulus will be the bait this time while the switch comes from whatever it is they're planning on hacking this time while the rich get to keep the trillions they got in the first stimulus and use these new cuts to buy up all the businesses that went bust in the pandemic, thus increasing their market share.
The intelligent thing to do would be a massive stimulus that saves people from eviction and bankruptcy and pick up the tab on healthcare through some sort of single-payer system while taxing the rich to pay for it. That's not what's going to happen, meaning more businesses will fail, more people will burn through their savings, and more people will go bankrupt leading to bigger ripples that cause more issues.
Nancy will fall in line this time because her leadership is being called into question and McConnell will get what he wants because his friend is in the White House.
Trump's 2000 platform had things like universal healthcare in it and he's always been supportive of things like that. His faux populism wouldn't have worked if it didn't have a kernel of truth in it. He's mentioned multiple times throughout the pandemic that he'd be willing to implement socialized healthcare. Not out of the goodness of his heart, but a better sense of self-preservation than Biden, who is an economic idiot in every sense of the word, and Mitch, who is intelligent in these matters but doesn't really care about consequences/doesn't think they apply to him.
Shroob
Sup?
All I know is, I'll be glad going back to my peace and quiet when everything's said and done.
This has been a rocky as hell week, and when all's said and done, it'll be a sigh of relief.
This has been a rocky as hell week, and when all's said and done, it'll be a sigh of relief.
drag0nscythe
Smash Master
- Joined
- Sep 2, 2007
- Messages
- 3,268
People are reporting false counts in mi? Something 6000 votes were tallied for biden and not trump? Software issue i think someone said.
Is that real? If so, it is very very bad newa.
Is that real? If so, it is very very bad newa.
StrangeKitten
Smash Lord
Do you have a nonbiased source on this? Be wary - right wing sites are trying to claim massive voter fraud when there is actually little to none, in an effort to, of course, make it seem like Trump should be winning. We should definitely be counting all the votes, even if it means a win for Trump. But, how conveniently they cry voter fraud in only the states Biden barely edged out Trump
drag0nscythe
Smash Master
- Joined
- Sep 2, 2007
- Messages
- 3,268
It was being discussed on chinese media. Something like 6000 votes were misgiven to bidenDo you have a nonbiased source on this? Be wary - right wing sites are trying to claim massive voter fraud when there is actually little to none, in an effort to, of course, make it seem like Trump should be winning. We should definitely be counting all the votes, even if it means a win for Trump. But, how conveniently they cry voter fraud in only the states Biden barely edged out Trump
Cutie Gwen
Lovely warrior
And Biden wins Pennysylvania ending with 284
drag0nscythe
Smash Master
- Joined
- Sep 2, 2007
- Messages
- 3,268
Double post. Dont care. They called it for Biden! Penn went to biden
Dr. Jojo Phantasma
The Chessmaster
- Joined
- Mar 8, 2018
- Messages
- 2,080
Once again congratulations Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
Will
apustaja
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2014
- Messages
- 34,141
- Switch FC
- SW-7573-2962-2407
When was the last time we had a one-time-term guy? Carter? At least Carter went out on his own accord, so who ran again and lost last time?
Noipoi
Howdy!
Hell yeah dude
Last edited:
Finally...
Though sadly Oompa Loompa still has until Jan. 20 to throw his petty hissy fit and cause as much destruction as possible.
And what scares me most are his deranged supporters. They've driving cars into peaceful protesters including killing a woman a few years back. They've shot and killed people who disagree with their "messiah" and they're about as unhinged as possible, all thanks to their orange leader edging them on to be violent.
I sadly suspect that the next few months will turn very dark, very quickly.....
Though sadly Oompa Loompa still has until Jan. 20 to throw his petty hissy fit and cause as much destruction as possible.
And what scares me most are his deranged supporters. They've driving cars into peaceful protesters including killing a woman a few years back. They've shot and killed people who disagree with their "messiah" and they're about as unhinged as possible, all thanks to their orange leader edging them on to be violent.
I sadly suspect that the next few months will turn very dark, very quickly.....
Will
apustaja
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2014
- Messages
- 34,141
- Switch FC
- SW-7573-2962-2407
I WON THIS ELECTION, BY A LOT!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2020
This is hilarious.
Cutie Gwen
Lovely warrior
A friend just reminded me that Trump has a bounty on his head for the assassination of an Iranian general. I guess that'd explain his pathetic behaivour
Will
apustaja
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2014
- Messages
- 34,141
- Switch FC
- SW-7573-2962-2407
I'm sure lots of presidents have people wanting their heads after doing certain things, Trump is just a baby about anything.
- Status