Kataefi

Or possibly not monday . The thing is you are available so late , which I am not.

One day we play again .

Hm, sure I'll look into it. If all goes according to plan (knowing me it probably won't >________________>) I should be able to get both that and more in depth dtilt info tomorrow.

Sure! I think you asked me before, I just.... haven't gotten around to doing much Brawl, let alone frame data. I promise I will do it tomorrow if I get the chance.

And remember. x.o I have a horrible memory....

The only thing I would use HBC for is music, texture and replay hacks. :/
Is there a site you donwload it from or something?

Hm, I must be just sleepy then...

GG's Kataefi. It looked as if you teched Marth's up throw...

Not really Kataefi, I don't like it that much....

Do you have HBC btw?

Hey how's modding going?

sorry about that. I did post one of my vid in the vid forum before but i guess more well ppl posted right after me so i didn't get any critiques which is why i made a thread just now. Just thought it would get more attention that way. Thank you in advance for critiques.

Are there any smashers around your region then that are willing to go to your organized brawls? I never been to one tourny but it looks fun to do.

I find it good how you can stick to your Zelda. I am from nature an agressive player and only Meta Knight seem to be able to suit my needs of ongoing assault because he has lagless attacks. There are not so many offensive characters . I find Olimar the most fun to use when it comes to camping characters, but I better not do it to your Zelda as I heard it is quite the horrible matchup .

I would if you lived close enough .

Up for some matches Kataefi? Those few games we played a few days ago were not really impressive with the lag . Btw you know why you have lag like that?

A guaranteed buffered bair would require a +12 advantage. Zelda's dtilt caps out at +11 just before it pops the opponent up, so it wouldn't be 100% guaranteed.

This is assuming that the first dtilt hit is fresh. I'll have to look into if the lock still works with a decayed first hit.

Oh and by "diminishing returns" I just meant decay .

Lastly this information should generally apply to the whole cast. In the case of say, Bowser, the initial lock % would be higher and the lock would go to a higher %.

Fun fact: Thanks to diminishing returns, Zelda can dtilt lock Pit from 50% to 151%.

Only if ASDI / SDI didn't exist :X.

Using ASDI Pit will get out of range at about 79% if the dtilt first connected at point blank, while using SDI he can potentially get out on the first hit.

I imagine so. It's OoS. Jumping out of your shield doesn't have any shield drop lag associated with it

It's a very nifty method I've come up with and it's hilarious to pull off when I'm using Peach and fighting pound spamming Jigglypuffs xD

You can do the same with Up + B but you use your index finger and Y since it's easier for reaching B as well

Have a mess around with it. Hopefully it should help but it might mean that I can't Nair immediatly after a Dair on the shield. Although I imagine it would probably reach Zelda or at least clash with the Up Smash...

Did you see me use it when I was using Zelda?

Gaaah silly Uair I facepalmed everytime I got hit by that and mashed the shield button but nope, I died I wish Peach had that KO power

Lol I love Peach's Bair. It's such a good move :D I need to work a bit on punishing Zelda's approach (although she doesn't really have a right lot of approaching options...) and not attempt to jump out of the way of Din's which has a crazy huge hitbox

Nuuu, my point is that you don't need tap jump on to do OoS Up Smashes. I've found a way in the form of jump cancelled Up Smashes that allows you to do it OoS without tap jump

Try this out. Go to Training mode or something and hold shield. Make sure Tap jump is off. Whilst you have shield held, use your right thumb to press X and A and use your left thumb to press Up (you're using a standard controller set up right?). Press them all at the same time and you'll do a jump cancelled Up Smash. This is effectivly doing an OoS Up Smash but instead of using tap jump to jump, your using another button

The lag was horrible . I gues you two played already for quite the while . At least I had some games with you again. I find ffa fun enough to do.

GG's I'll let you and Rizul have some hopefully lag free games The lag did eventually get better but it was pretty nasty at times

Grrr I hate Zelda's Nair and D Tilt. I always run into Nair and DI wrong with D Tilt And Up Smash of course, that move is just evil. Where the heck do you DI to get out of it?

Oh btw, do you have tap jump on? It's handy for OoS Up Smashes. If not then you can do jump cancelled OoS Up Smashes for the same effect. I reckon it might be useful since Zelda's Up Smash is so lol :D

And don't forget, you need to add my new FC (which is 2965-5298-7403)

Sure I'll be on soon :D Revision is tedious and boring and I need a proper break to stop me from skiving off it xD

Those game were fun despite the lag. I was trying to fight your Zelda differently with Sonic a few times though. Too bad my G&W sucks though :/

It's alright, but I wouldn't call it derailing. Although ‘priority’ which people have brought up has kind of shifted the topic.

Whewwwwww~ Now that Apex is done (amazing matches btw; you should watch them when they're uploaded), Zelda's nair.



First off a bit of general information I got during my limited testing: (being a zelda main you probably already know a good deal of this )

- There are 5 hits to the move, with the 5th one having the knockback (that being the hit you want to avoid if you're attempting a follow-up obviously).

- The first 4 hits have no knockback growth and cannot be DI'd or SDI'd. As such any follow-ups are guaranteed.

- From my limited testing I found using her nair on a grounded opponent could result in 4 different general trajectories: a low trajectory, a low trajectory from a higher position off the ground, a straight up trajectory, and a straight down trajectory.



Now then, about each one:

Low trajectory: This is done by hitting with one hit of the nair, it doesn't matter which one. The ideal positioning is to hit the grounded opponent so that they are launched through you and behind you. You can buffer a turn around dsmash from this; dash attack and jab may work as well. The adv here is +32 frames (which would be more useful if zelda wasn't so bloody slow).

Low trajectory from a high position: This is done by hitting with two hits of the nair... though it may be able to be done otherwise, her nair is finicky :V. Done ideally your opponent ends up traveling at a low trajectory right above your head. Free usmash. Adv is 28 here, as unlike the former hit the opponent isn't forced into a hard landing, they can airdodge before hitting the ground.

Straight up and a straight down trajectory: I don't have any data on these two, as I couldn't get them to happen consistently. If you know how to do so let me know so I can test them . I did have the impression that these trajectories had less stun though.



So yeah. Really frame data's usefulness is rather limited here. You get a sizable advantage from her nair, but actually making use of it requires very nice spacing and reaction to where they are sent.



Ok that's it for now; I'll get dtilt decay info soonsih (for real this time ). I can say that the hitstun actually does decrease as the dtilt is used successively though. I'll be comprehensive on the ramifications of this.

Just so you know, I got the nair information. In brief it allows for some pretty cool setups, such as guaranteed dsmash and usmash; your follow-up depending on how you space the nair. I'll post more in-depth info tomorrow, I'm too tired atm :V.

Actually I completely forgot about it and played Brawl for like 3 hours x_______x.

Tomorrow hoooooo

Sure thing, I'll see if I can't get that and info on dtilt decay to you later today.

Lol crap sorry

It's 2965-5298-7403

Ok....crap

I've just logged onto Wi Fi and...my FC has changed. My Friend roster has been completely deleted, yet my online play record is stil there

...

I don't know what's happened but apparantly my new FC is 2965 5928 7403

I don't get it...can you check if my old FC profile still exists is online?

Pikachu, Ness, ROB, maybe DK, and anyone who's significantly worse than me, lol. Just so I can get some use out of her.

Oh, I also have a mm vs. BadNewsBear. Zelda vs. Weegee.

Hey Kataefi. I actually do have numbers for half-staled dtilt.... I completely forgot that I hadn't posted them. >< Sorry! Prime did them for me a while ago.

I haven't done any testing lately because I've been practicing for Apex. (I think I might actually use Zelda for some matches.) After this weekend, I'll get back into testing mode, I promise!

You are changing my messages . No way.

Of course we should play one day but as you play often only very late and as I am a morning person, we hardly meet.

GG's Kataefi, just testing my turbo controller, my other one...is not so good anymore. lol the last match. So what do you think about this discussion leader idea?

Ehh well in that lag, it's difficult to actually do what you want to do. I kept spamming Up Smash instead of Glide Tossing or Uairing xD

And yes I do :D

Well...that was rubbish to put it bluntly That lag was awful...I was hoping it would just be a couple of lag spikes that would go away but...apparantly not It sucks that our lag is so bad now. My lag is fine with Rizul and Chis... Ah well, GG's I guess

P.S I can't remember what the game (it's a good one though) is called but that little ship thingy in your avatar atm...I remember playing it on the Mega Drive I think...I think it was pretty hard...gahh I can't remember the name xD

hey, yeah I'm running all the tournaments in the northwest atm.

London have monthly melee and brawl tournaments.

If you're looking to set up for another region, ie south of london or southwest, I would reccomend you start a thread, tell people your intentions and start looking for a venue. You'll need something you can do on a regular basis. i'll pm you my msn so we can talk more.

Thanks for mentioning, I didn´t think of that myself.

Interesting avatar....

Awesome! :D

Uh huh. *nods* How did you know it meant "purple"?

Haha. Thanks, Kat. I'll be sure to check it out when I get access to that Wii. :D

Take it easy now. Don't work too hard.

Hey there. How are things? I was wondering if you were up for a few games. I know you're probably more used to offline these days and you have exams coming up but if you've got spare time, let me know since I haven't played you in ages

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=208716

Here's the thread! The OP has the link to the chat in purple. You can't miss it! (unless you're blind haha! >.<)

I've been no fun recently =( I usually go on there quite a lot but I have soooooo many assignments lol, my life is all over the place xD Next week I'll be on there more consistently! But yeah sometimes the chat is dead, other times it's semi-busy. You can get a lot of matches there ^^